The reality of living with an EV that nobody talks about !! 

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The reality of living with an EV can be amazing or impossible depending on a couple of critical things that you have or not !
Having off-street parking and your own car charger makes the reality of living with a EV really straightforward. The vast bulk of you charging will be done at home and you won't need to use public charge point that often. However, if you don't have off-street parking and you own charger the reality of living with an EV is going to be a painful one. In this video I talk you through my thoughts and experiences.
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Mark Rhodes
Mark Rhodes 6 meses atrás
Hi Pete, very informative video. My son recently purchased an EV as he lives on a small development with a wall charger. He discovered that the 7kw charger was only configured to 3.5kw. He challenged the developer who informed he that the Power supplier had requested this because if all the properties used an EV that the sub station would not be able to cope. We have a very long way to go before we are ready for EV’s.
k bundies
k bundies 6 meses atrás
3.5kW is still enough to replace your daily drive..
Neil Kurzman
Neil Kurzman 6 meses atrás
@k bundies Depends on how much you drive in a day.
k bundies
k bundies 6 meses atrás
@Neil Kurzman with a 3.5kW charging possibility you can charge 35kWh in 10 hours. This will allow you to drive 100 miles per day - without visiting public chargers. That’s a pretty decent amount for a daily commuter. If you have longer distances, you might have to pop into a public DC charger for 10 or 15 minutes - and you should be fine, too.
Jon B
Jon B 6 meses atrás
My brother has an EV and had a home charger properly installed in his garage (all done officially). It caught fire. Thankfully he was home and put it out but it had melted a load of wires throughout the house. Big expensive job to fix it.
Neil Kurzman
Neil Kurzman 6 meses atrás
@Jon B If there are melted wires in the electric box, and then it wasn’t installed properly. The wire wasn’t the proper gauge for the circuit breaker. Or the circuit breaker was defective.
Avid Viewer
Avid Viewer 4 meses atrás
I can't charge at home and found your acknowledgement of the difficulties highly supportive. Thank you. If someone asked me to sum up my several years' EV driving experience in one word, I'd say 'unpredictable', and I'd also urge them *not* to become an EV driver unless they can charge at home. Thanks again.
lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlI 7 dias atrás
Pete brings up great points about inclusivity for everyone, not just people who have all the accessories and are able bodies. The problem isn't solved until everyone is included, people with mobility issues, the handicapped, the deaf and the blind.
NihilistSolitude 4 meses atrás
As someone who drove 2,500 miles each month with a EV without level 2 charging at home my experience was as follows. Everyday while I'm at lunch I would go to the local EVGO station which luckily was near three places to eat at. I learn pretty quickly I had to go for lunch super early around 10am otherwise I'll be screwed due to only two charge points and too much activity between 11am-2pm. The average cost of getting my car battery charge about 55-60% was 10 dollars per charge and would take 30-45 minutes I have a Mach-E so I knew fast charging past 80% was pointless. Generally most days was having my lunch and then helping people work the charge station as the card reader never worked and the station only work properly by EVGO app. Which setting up a new user is time consuming and made the lines even worse at this charge station. In my case everything work out which I could do it during lunch but I'm sure for many they won't have that convince and will be burden with commute, hours at works, and then wasting 30-2 hours depending in the car charging which will really cut into people personal life which might be mentally unhealthy for the population long term.
NihilistSolitude 4 meses atrás
MixinRaver welcome to the modern economy
Roger Crossley
Roger Crossley 4 meses atrás
With an ICE car you would fill up three times every two weeks, on the way home, it would take ten minutes per fill and you would avoid the lunchtime stress and could eat when and where you chose to, not where circumstance dictated, being forced to adopt a lifestyle to accommodate my car would be a hard circle to square.
byoh100 4 meses atrás
If you went to lunch at 10 AM, it doesn’t sound like you returned to work at 11 AM, so did you have a 2 hour lunch? In any office where I worked, I would not be permitted a 2 hour lunch!! Also on the days that I was on the road conducting business, the noon time charge up would be impossible. In my life’s work, a 2 hour lunch would get you fired after your first 2 hour lunch!!
NihilistSolitude 4 meses atrás
@byoh100 My schedule is extremely flexible but generally, I'll be out no more than an hour between travel charging and eating. As I mention it not ideal for most people which is why I'm against these mandates trying to force everyone to EV when it not a car that is ideal for all scenarios.
byoh100 4 meses atrás
@NihilistSolitude not finding fault, I understood your statement, just wondering what kind of a lunch/work schedule you work as I know work requirements are almost as varied as the number of working people in the US. Have a good one.
Ilia 4 meses atrás
If the migration to EV in the UK looks challenging, imagine it here in Eastern Europe. In the cities most people live in apartment buildings with shared open air parking areas. Charging an EV in such environment is almost impossible. And if they want to make EVs accessible, it will be a HUGE undertaking - the city power infrastructure will have to be completely rebuilt. And if they want to install EV chargers in the parking areas, that also means they'll have to dig the roads a lot. It's crazy to even imagine it.
Glenn Shoemake
Glenn Shoemake 4 meses atrás
I'm in Barcelona and I've had my Tesla Model 3 for 3 years now. My parking is in a different building than my flat. The biggest challenge that I had was getting charging in my parking spot. I had to petition the building owners to allow me to have a new electric meter added and I was lucky that they had space for 3 more. Then I hired a professional installer and they were able to get everything done for just €2,000 and 500€ was the charger box. As I always charge at night when it's cheaper I don't think it will be an issue when other people transition to electric cars.
Ilia 4 meses atrás
@Glenn Shoemake charging one, two or few cars is not a problem. The problem will arise, when there are more people, who have EVs and want to charge them simultaneously (at night or whatever). The existing electrical infrastructure will need to be rebuild completely, in order to handle this extreme loads. Also, when you say "just" 2000 + 500 EUR, do you understand, that this is about 1 month salary for most people in Europe? This is not cheap, it's an additional expense. In my opinion, without huge support from the EU - the transition to EV will be very hard for many people. Also, Tesla ain't exactly cheap and affordable for a lot of people. It is not a problem for one person with good income to get EV today. What is hard is to make this transition for everyone (or almost everyone). I think you underestimate the challenge.
Glenn Shoemake
Glenn Shoemake 4 meses atrás
@Ilia Yes Tesla is not cheap, but people here spend as much on a petrol only car such as Mercedes, Audi or BMW. I drove a Ford Focus for 10 years to save money for the Tesla. I'm glad I made the switch to Electric. My car uses 3kw an hour which is not a lot. I could pay extra for more KW pipe but as my car sits in the garage it's really not necessary. €2000 was total install, 1500€ was labor and other materials and €500 was the electric box with its own Menekes plug and key to lock it when not in use. Finance rates were cheap in 2019, but not so much now. Still it's the best car that I've ever owned and still puts a smile on my face when I drive it and when it's cleaned.
Ilia 4 meses atrás
@Glenn Shoemake I'm sure it's a great car and you have joy with it. And that's very nice! I am not anti-EV in any way. I was simply pointing out, that the transition to EV for the majority of people (and thus for the governments) will be a challenge and will probably take more time, than anticipated.
Glenn Shoemake
Glenn Shoemake 4 meses atrás
@Ilia That's true and in November 2019, there were a lot fewer options in buying a EV. My biggest criteria was the ability to drive 90 minutes away to Costa Brava Beach and to enjoy the day out and to be able to drive home without having the need to charge anywhere. The Nissan Leaf and Renault Zoe are both not capable of this and as I knew that I would keep the car I went ahead and bought the Long Range Tesla Model 3. My wife was initially against the purchase because of the high price, but now she loves it and always wants to go out for a ride. There is a good chance Tesla will build a cheaper hatchback which would be great for the European market if they can get the price at €25,000.
Sean Newbury
Sean Newbury 4 meses atrás
After seeing the water spot on the windshield for so long, it dawned on me that one might be concerned about the affect it would have on your range......recently many EV drivers on the east coast in the US experienced cold winter days and shortened battery life. So much that they had to drive without the heater running just to make it to the next charging station. Batteries will always be the Achilles heel of this movement. Always.
Pumps 4 meses atrás
Maybe.... but battery technology is continually evolving... "Necessity is the Mother of Invention" ... From what I've seen, I am confident workable solutions are being found.
bkeepr 3 meses atrás
@Pumps we know all the elements of the periodic table and we know their electrical properties. There is no magical new element that could be discovered. Once you know the mathematical equation you can quite easily calculate every possible combination of elements to determine their performance as a battery. The evolution of batteries is just tinkering around with the engineering of the boxes.
Thomas Corfield
Thomas Corfield 2 meses atrás
@Pumps Spot on, matey!
Ten True Summers
Ten True Summers 2 meses atrás
@Pumps This kind of logic confounds me! In what way is it evolving? We've had Duracell AA's for one has improved on that. Same for 12v car batteries. There's absolutely no reason to state that some new kind of battery will be invented unless you have evidence. And by the way, if one were to be invented, existing EVs would become worthless overnight! If we follow your logic we might as well plan to dismantle the NHS on the grounds that in the future we'll have devices likes Dr McCoy had on Star Trek!
The Electric Monk
The Electric Monk 2 meses atrás
@Ten True Summers It's this kind of "logic" that just makes me facepalm. Clearly you've not bothered to go look at what's going on in the world of battery tech, but you're basically writing off the work of thousands of scientists and industrialists based on..... the existence of a Duracell AA battery? Good grief. "There's absolutely no reason to state that some new kind of battery will be invented unless you have evidence." - Just google "new battery technologies", there's enough links there - to reputable sources, I might add, not just puff pieces and other crankery - to keep you busy for several hours.
David Whiteman
David Whiteman 6 meses atrás
Been driving EVs since 2014 (BMW i3, Renault Zoe, Tesla Model 3, Volvo C40). Like you we are lucky enough to have a 7kW wall box. I completely agree with everything you said and honestly, I’ve made the same points to friends and colleagues if they ask me about EVs. The government is not governing this situation properly (mind you they are not really governing anything properly so what did we expect?!).
BornToDoIt 6 meses atrás
The best measure is If a single supply can't deliver the capacity of 7kw X 1hr of charge "per car" on demand The logical implication is deliver 7kw X Nhrs THEN deliver 7kw X 1hr to each car. In other words National energy suppliers provide low charge to an on site battery, the battery by design can then deliver high charge rates ( the 7kw Hr ) to each car on site needs. That's the practical work around to the network not able to scale it's deliver with demand...introduce a buffer step. Network > one charge point > one car Or Network > one battery on site > N charge points > N cars In my example one battery could be N batteries so.its scalable 1 battery supports say 4 cars in parallel
C Nault
C Nault 6 meses atrás
"Like you we are lucky enough to have a 7kW wall box." It wasn't luck it was pre-planning.
rick raber
rick raber 6 meses atrás
@C Nault And I wonder how much that 7 kw wall box cost to purchase and install. Also, what if you have to park outside and somebody steals your charging cable?
Seth Tenrec
Seth Tenrec 6 meses atrás
@rick raber What if you have to park your gasoline car outside and someone steals your catalytic converter. Or your car. What if what if what if
Erik Kunkle
Erik Kunkle 6 meses atrás
Givernment doesn't need to be governing pushing EV cars. The market need to govern it.
Robin Berry
Robin Berry 4 meses atrás
Hi Pete, If everyone had EVs and you were to stand and count the cars that go through a garage every hour that's how many charging points you will need, in fact you will need more because those cars will be stuck there for an hour. A the infrastructure will not cope and as you pointed out tax will rise on EVs making them uneconomical. Even some manufacturers are having second thoughts
Mike Gleeson
Mike Gleeson 27 dias atrás
Who are they then?
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Started with a great review and rolled into a much needed infrastructure discussion. Nicely done brother 💪
Stephen Jordan
Stephen Jordan 5 meses atrás
I like the way you’re thinking and the fact that you’re putting these thoughts out there to start a public conversation on the topic. Here in the states, Washington State and Utah specifically, the taxation on miles you put on your EV has already begun.
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 5 meses atrás
Thanks 👍
Melissa Means
Melissa Means Mês atrás
Thank you for your honesty in addressing the pros and cons (along with future challenges) of EVs. I have a 2021 Mach E, and although it is an absolute joy to drive, the unpredictable variations in range make me nervous. Hopefully the technology will keep improving. Great video!
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped Mês atrás
Glad it was helpful!
James Martin
James Martin 4 meses atrás
You're spot on. As homeowners, we forget about those apartment dwellers. In the Detroit area there are no chargers in any of the apartment complexes here that I've heard about. Also, the grid is nearly maxed out now, especially with summer air conditioning and less than 5% of vehicles being EV. What happens when all new US electric vehicles (maybe 8 million the first year assuming a 50% drop in sales due to high EV pricing) plug into the grid???
John Cook
John Cook 6 meses atrás
Hello sir, I am not from the UK. But I live here in Canada. There is a huge push here in Canada for Electric Vehicles. You were talking about those living in flats (or apartments). I live in an apartment (apartment complex) myself, and just back in September of this year, my landlord installed 2 charging stations for each building. Now these charging stations, you have to pay by credit card or using the app just like you would at a public charging station. We have about 24 units or more per building. Some units may have 1 or 2 vehicles for each unit. We have 3 buildings in our complex. Now, at this time no one in our complex has an EV. There might be maybe a hybrid vehicle or 2 in our complex, and none of them are the plug in hybrid. Anyways, my point is this no one in my complex seem to care about getting an EV. We already have problems in our complex with our power going out from time to time. A few weeks ago, we had the inspector putting stickers on the charging stations, and he told me he would never buy an EV because the infrastructure is not there yet. He said he has been on the industry for 20 years, and he still wouldn't even purchase an EV. He said he would encourage people to get a plug hybrid or just even a regular hybrid, but never a EV when the infrastructure is not even there. I am the same way, I would never purchase an EV. Maybe a plug in hybrid, but definitely not a EV when the infrastructure is lacking. Those are my 2 cents.
Brian Maltby
Brian Maltby 6 meses atrás
Hello John. Like you, I live in Canada, and I too live in a high rise building, although mine is a 56 Unit condo, in which I own my own two parking spots. I drive a 2022 Volvo C40, fully electric car, and have never had an issue with charging my vehicle, as I have my own charger installed at my parking space. I charge my vehicle at night, when the fees for electricity are reduced and on longer road trips in which the distance travelled exceeds the range of my vehicle, I simply charge the vehicle at one of the fast chargers located along my route. My vehicle alerts me to where these chargers are located. Admittedly, driving an EV does not fit everyone's lifestyle yet, it does fit mine perfectly. Typically I spend about $30 per month charging my vehicle whereas I used to spend about $200 a month driving my Internal Combustion Engine car. And I like to think that I am doing my part to help this planet survive. So I appreciate that an EV might not work for you, there are thousands of people who drive them and are getting along just fine. And there will be more in the future. Thanks for your "two cents" and thanks for reading my "nickel".
pow1983 6 meses atrás
You have a lot more space in Canada, and a UK flat/apartment here is usually tiny with no dedicated parking, often street parking at best
Jdwar11 6 meses atrás
Isn’t it also tougher on the batteries (like drain) living in normally colder environments?
John Cook
John Cook 6 meses atrás
@Frunkenstein you seemed to have missed the point that I was making. As I said, he was discouraging people from purchasing electric cars because he knows there isn't enough electricity on the power grid to charge everyone's cars and power everyone's homes.
Erlend Torset
Erlend Torset 3 meses atrás
I'm in the situation that you described about not being able to charge at home. I drive a Kia E-Niro, decent range and such, but I live in Norway so the winters impact EVs immensely. I bought it at a point in time where petrol and diesel was at a record high, but I am seriously considering a hybrid or a regular petrol either this year or next year.
Kian Grey
Kian Grey 4 meses atrás
The only thing I worry about with EVs at this time is battery degradation and charging infrastructure. In Korea, apparently charging is great there because they took the time to get it right, but in western countries, it's completely different.
Brian Robinson
Brian Robinson 4 meses atrás
I’m sure others have said, but here in the US, my yearly license tags were twice as expensive for my hybrid. Now that I moved to all electric, my EV tags are about three times as much.
Julian Davies
Julian Davies 4 meses atrás
I have been driving an EV since 2015, a 63 Reg Renault Zoe which cost me £5995. I cannot charge at home and have always charged on public chargers. I am lucky that there are four Pod Points in my local Tesco a two minute walk from where I live. And on longer journeys I have always found Rapids that work.
Steve Hayward
Steve Hayward 3 meses atrás
I have been driving EV's for 5 years now and now own a Tesla, I would say that 95% of my charging is at home. Charging has never been an issue, even when I owned a Nissan Leaf, 5 years ago it took a bit of planning to find out where the chargers where at your destination or on route but nowadays, the sat nav will take me to the nearest charger. Range anxiety was a real thing for a few weeks when I first bought my EV but I do think charger anxiety ie whether a charger is working or not, is an issue for non Tesla owners.
JDoors 6 meses atrás
Had an online discussion with someone who must have been in NYC or LA while I'm from a large city in the center of the U.S. I have never even SEEN a charging station, this guy said they're everywhere. I'm in an apartment with unassigned outdoor parking, he said every apartment has its own charger. He's one of those people that think, "The whole world is exactly like what I experience." Different worlds dude, different worlds.
white trash millionare
white trash millionare 6 meses atrás
No charging stations in NYC that I know of.
Vicki Meyers
Vicki Meyers 6 meses atrás
He stated he is in the UK. Also, look at where the steering wheel is located. Steering wheels in US driven vehicles are on the left side, not the right. Charging stations in Europe are significantly more prevalent than the US.
Roger Crossley
Roger Crossley 6 meses atrás
@Vicki Meyers he was discussing a conversation he was having with another person, so his comments were valid. A problem with many EV owners and proponents of them is outlined in the video, and many people don't look further than today, as was said what happens after the honeymoon period?, the debate needs to happen now or we lose mass personal transport.
Anon 6 meses atrás
I live in NYC and have never seen an EV charger. Everyone I know who has an EV lives in the suburbs and own at least two cars. The 2nd car is always a gas car and is usually a Range Rover or other huge SUV.
driver4011 6 meses atrás
nowhere to charge in apts. might be one or two outlets for one or two cars. otherwise would have to run wires from inside apt. out the door and / or window to the car. no way, forget that. and if there were a bunch of EVs charging in an apt., it would overload the system, trip the breakers, n power would go out.
Paul Turner
Paul Turner 3 meses atrás
Hey Pete, another good video so thank you. One thing I've been wondering about EV's, is as and when they need servicing (and what are the intervals incidentally?), what gets done on them during a service at a main dealer for example? There's no oil, no spark plugs, no 'normal' air filter. So what needs to be done, and how much are EV owners being 'charged' (haha no pun intended) for a service? That's one I'd really love to hear about.
A S 2 meses atrás
First of all thanks for bringing this topic up. I've been thinking of getting an EV & the ability to charge at home is the biggest issue that's stopping me. According to my research, lets say one wants to buy a Tesla & one doesn't have charging capabilities at home but has access to a number of superchargers nearby, it is NOT recommended to use those Level 3 superchargers to consistently charge your vehicle because it will cause battery degradation way quicker than charging at home. Basically EV's right now are designed to be charged at home, so that the battery remains healthy and the charging costs stay low.
Barry Murton
Barry Murton 4 meses atrás
Great discussion points. My current electric supplier doesn’t have EV tariffs- They offered E7 and a new meter for £800 plus.
Mark Collie
Mark Collie 2 meses atrás
Gidday Pete. A lot of very valid points you raised. The discussion in Australia is that the loss of revenue from fuel excise will be compensated by an increase in registration. Probably a milage tax or such. The grid issue is a real concern here to, as we are already suffering from high electricity charges and undersupply. The ability to cope with the already fast increase in EV's is straining the system. When all fossil fuels are gone/banned then I guess we start making moonshine and run our petrol cars on that. 🙂
Paul Bankston
Paul Bankston 4 meses atrás
Very thoughtful. And, I've had some of these thoughts myself. Especially about taxing--just--the electricity you use at home to power your EV. I'm fortunate enough to have a Zappi and off-road parking. But I have more limited range than the Mach 5 and have to carefully plan any journey that's more than 200 miles round-trip. (I live in Wales.) On the other hand, I love my Ioniq EV. Hwyl!
Kurt Martin
Kurt Martin 6 meses atrás
The reason your mileage per charge changes: When you reset the mileage management, it reverts to factory defaults. These defaults are typically based upon optimum parameters such as operating temperature, road surface, head winds, etc. More, significantly, environmental controls being off. Both heat and AC require significant amounts of battery power. If you frequently drive with either on, the mileage computer will began to factor that and all other impacts into an average. Thus, while the range decreases. Also, each time you charge discharge the battery, you take a slice of it's life/capacity away.
Wildwwill 6 meses atrás
I can't imagine purchasing a used EV where batter life and range has been significantly reduced.
G Whiteley
G Whiteley 6 meses atrás
Clark999 5 meses atrás
Yep. It's like my HP Laserjet printer. It gives you a number for how many pages more you can print with the present cartridge. It's based on what you having been printing, and extrapolates it. You may actually get significantly more or less.
Kevin Sterns
Kevin Sterns 5 meses atrás
Short answer - Driving history predicts range using past performance, instead of best case scenario.
Colin Park
Colin Park 4 meses atrás
Great video, you really hit on a lot of the key points that aren't being talked about. Many of the subsidies you talk about exist here in Vancouver, Canada. Regarding taxes, we pay significant taxes on fuel that supports Transit and road repairs. Currently EV users are suckling on the taxpayer teat and not paying any road taxes. I think they be shocked when all these sweetheart deals goes away, people are going to take a long hard look at owning a EV. For Canada I will argue that hybrids are the way to go , thanks in part to the distances and the lack of infrastructure. Many of the new Hybrids have 100km range which often suffices for day to day and your not married to a charging infrastructure or gas stations. However this solution is not sexy enough for a politician 2 minute soundbite. Another issue is the value of used EV's. With the higher end models your looking at a average of 60% of the range at 8 years. So that means the first owner is likely to recoup a decent chunk of their initial investment. However what happens to the 2nd owner? We really don't know what the average range will be on 12 year old EV's as only Tesla Model S is really close to that and they have the best battery thermal management in the business. Then there is the insurance monster lurking under the bed. We know that EV fires are very difficult to put out and if insurance companies detect a trend of older lithium batteries being responsible for expensive fires, then either your insurance rates are going to go up, or worse they decline to insure a EV after X years. Which then reduces your car's value to scrap. If that happens then the resale value of the car for the first and 2nd owner plummets. No one really knows what will happen and car companies are really bad at forecasting real maintenance and failure rates for cars older than 6 years, so any numbers from them are pure guesstimates or marketing fluff. As for Pheasants, yes they are really stupid birds, who's defense tactics of standing still just gets them killed.
Kewl Breeze
Kewl Breeze 4 meses atrás
I love this video! I feel like I’m in the car with you as you describe the reality of living with an electric vehicle. It’s spot on and you cover all the things I notice while driving. Your review feels very honest and I appreciate that.
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 4 meses atrás
Thanks Tracey. Kind of you to say 🙏🏻
Crispy 2 meses atrás
I’m also concerned that although more chargers are being built, (acknowledging that they seem to break so frequently, and you have to queue at busy periods), with more people buying EVs the number of available chargers per EV is getting worse! As EVs are so expensive in the main they still only seem to make sense for company car drivers (who save massively on BIK) and have off road parking at home. Plus company car drivers don’t care about the life of the battery or degradation either as they’ll only have the car for a few years.
Mr TS 2 meses atrás
I was having a similar debate with my mate. He was all EV, but for me even though I have off street parking I would still go for a plug in hybrid for practicality purposes. The vast majority of my journey which is to work and back local driving and shopping would all be covered on electric power and the odd occasion may be once every 2 months it that when I need to travel beyond the 50miles EV range of the plug in hybrid I've got the combustion engine to rely on and no range anxiety. I guess for me it's emotionally also, When youve had a child who is receiving end of life treatment, the last thing you want when you have to on numerous occasions suddenly rush them to the children's ward in another City is getting held up as the car needs changing!
Nik Gnashers
Nik Gnashers 4 meses atrás
Great video Pete, and opens a fair discussion which many other motoring channels fail to want to do.
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 4 meses atrás
Thanks 👍
Special K.
Special K. 6 meses atrás
You are absolutely freakin' RIGHT. It's absolutely amazing how greatly the motoring press have engaged EVs without scrutinizing the elephant in the room.
Rob 6 meses atrás
It's a gimmick, and they're probably getting a kickback from the manufacturers who are in turn being forced into it all.
Greg King
Greg King 6 meses atrás
Yet not a dinosaur.
Rob 6 meses atrás
@simon H wilki moreover I can't believe the new licencing system where road tax is calculated on the value new, whether it be under £40k or not. Then subsequent owners pay a percentage (or something like that). Consequently my daughter's mate has a 5 litre Mustang and it attracts quite a low amount considering..... madness!
D Mechant
D Mechant 4 meses atrás
You are correct on all points which is why a plug-in hybrid (PHEV) is the best transition car for a majority of people, you have a short range for local commutes or shopping, and if you need to go further, it switches to gas. I got one in 2020 and have averaged 1L/100km (235 mpg) and only consumed about 2-3 tanks of gas a year most of which is because the gas engine forces usage for "performance" in colder weather.
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 4 meses atrás
I agree 👍
155stw 2 meses atrás
That’s what I’ve been saying. The infrastructure is just not there yet. I charge my Hyundai EV at work because it’s highly subsidized. But at home, the rate isn’t that great. Also like you said, when EV becomes more mainstream the energy taxes will skyrocket, and it’s already quite high now.
Marios C.
Marios C. 5 meses atrás
Very interesting discussion Pete, makes me happy I once more ordered a Petrol based 😅
Clare Quirk
Clare Quirk 2 meses atrás
I live in Victoria Australia, if you run an EV here you have to pay a tax on every kilometer that you travel when you pay your annual registration. This has specific rules re verification and the money goes towards upkeep of the roads.
Captain Chocks
Captain Chocks 22 dias atrás
Brilliant content and covering some very overlooked points. As a wheelchair user the charging points have been a serious barrier in the way of me embracing the ev revolution. What can I say I came for the mini but stayed for the honest and exciting content. Keep it up 👍
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 19 dias atrás
Thanks 🙏🏻
MrFreekyByg 6 meses atrás
One thing that still bothers me about EV's is the assumption that life is predictable. I drive it, I take it home and charge it and as you said the next morning I'm ready to go. Life isn't always that predictable. You get back home, you've used most of your range and a family emergency etc. happens and suddenly you have no vehicle you can use immediately. The time to charge is still a huge drawback. They definitely have a place in the future but they can't be the total solution. Where I live in Canada we can get feet of snow in a short time and the winter temperatures could kill you if you had no power in the car and became stranded. I guess my point is don't treat them as a complete solution. They simply aren't.
Rusty Nail
Rusty Nail 5 meses atrás
The attitude is, "Take your sick child to the hospital in the bus, or call a cab!" LMAO.
Chris 5 meses atrás
Totally agree with you mr Freeky . What they should be doing is giving an incentive to people who own 2 cars to Change 1 of them for electric so you have a choice of transport , short journeys to work , d.i.y. store , shopping , school run etc , use the EV then on those occasions when a long run is needed use petrol car without the worry of charging on route .
Sandra M
Sandra M 5 meses atrás
I live in southern Ontario and the 400 series highways can be like parking lots even without an accident and being stranded. And as you say even worse if it's in very cold winter temps.
Sandra M
Sandra M 5 meses atrás
And if per say everyone on your block ended up getting one. Are the main transformers going to be strong enough to supply them all, if not no doubt there will be a huge increase in your monthly electric bill. Even if you don't have an EV vehicle.
douglasskinner 4 meses atrás
Unfortunately most people have not really bothered to examine whether a "solution" is necessary. Beware of politicians calling for "solutions!"
Bob Bob
Bob Bob 4 meses atrás
Resetting your driving history has not increased your range. The calculated range will drop back to the actual range after you drive for a while more.
Philip Long
Philip Long 4 meses atrás
Peter, that was a very informative video and you've mentioned many of the hurdles that I have perceived for owning an EV. In Australia the range of an EV is the primary issue. For many who don't live in a city, it will be the main reason that they do not buy an EV, even as a town run-about. I live 235 Miles from Sydney and unless I bought an extended range version of an EV, I would have to plan a 30 min - 1 hr stop enroute. This makes a 4 hour trip into a 5 hour trip and with other energy sucking requirements of driving in Australia (aircon in summer) this could be a longer stop. The good issue you raised was the planning for infrastructure in the future and the electricity grid ability to supply a nation of EVs. Australia has followed, like lemmings, Europe, UK etc in shutting down coal/gas fired power stations, we have no nuclear stations and the solar/wind generation is already proving to be unreliable. I would suggest that we look at what we are prepared to loose as we regress to living within smaller circles of influence. Never getting to the other side of our own country, let alone crossing oceans and travelling the planet. People will careless about the planet if they have no concept of it. I am an amateur radio operator, so taking around the planet is something I am used to but I reckon that it will be the only way I'll talk to anyone outside of my state of Australia, if we continue to pursue the mania of EVs. I love the technology of them but they are impractical. I hope that the human race gets fusion power generation in the next 10 years or I reckon that the next 'darn age' is upon us. Enjoy your Mustang while you can. Phil VK2NE
simmosimmo100 4 meses atrás
I agree. Back to small local communities and only short journeys travelled. I think we are soon to go back to living as it was 200 years ago.
019united 12 dias atrás
The reasons why i chose to go for an EV: -Level 2 Charger at home -Drive Short distances daily -Live in a warm country
John Iraggi
John Iraggi 2 meses atrás
Hey Pete! Another thing that I haven’t heard anyone talk at all about with EV’S, is the planned obsolescence that will make it’s way into how long your EV runs before you have to trade up. If you really think about it, modern EV’S are like IPhones on wheels. They’re operated by software, and just like an iPhone, it will bog down as time progresses until it’s completely unusable within 4-5 years. Now EV manufacturers haven’t done anything like this yet, because the tech is still new. But gone are the days of buying a new car and driving for 10-20 years, and doing the odd repairs here and there. In the near future, you will be trading in your car every 2 years like an iPhone.
Coeur DeLion
Coeur DeLion 2 meses atrás
This is exactly is the plan. Deter common man from able to buy the car.
robert pogson
robert pogson 6 dias atrás
Nonsense! Computers slow down because people add more software. Cars are more like hard drives. They just keep chugging along until they break.
wapping2010 4 meses atrás
Enjoyed the wonderful I-pace on a company Salary Sacrifice scheme which effectively provided me with 45% tax relief making the lease a financial no brainer. Without this BIK tax efficiency there would be a lot lot fewer EV's on the road today in the UK. We live in London with no home charger, relied on public charging, which back in 2019 was less available than now but with far fewer EV's around it was seldom the case I would find all 3 of my local 7kw chargers occupied. The price was sometimes free (some BP Polar aka Pulse chargers were still free then) and even those that charged were 10p-15p /kwh and their newly introduced ultra rapid 150kwh chargers were 25p/kwh. With the rapidly increasing number of EV's on the road resulting in difficulty in finding an available overnight 7kw charger, coupled with a near tripling of public charging costs, it's become difficult to justify the aggro of an EV when relying on the public network. The i-pace is an awesome vehicle and a joy to drive, with the tax deductible I am in want to give it up. Our solution has been to buy an ICE 2nd vehicle. The take away is that without a home charger, without any tax deductibility on the EV lease/purchase, it makes no sense financially or practically to buy an EV until someone thinks of a way to resolve this public charging infrastructure and pricing.
On The Road
On The Road 6 meses atrás
Hi Pete, I’ve scanned through the posts to see if anyone else has mentioned this, but I haven’t seen it yet. I have met many people from the UK, and one of the first things they remark on about the US (aside from our weight problem) is the sheer size of the country. I’m sure a 300 mile range sounds like a lot to the Brits, but if you live anywhere between the two coasts here, that can be a problem. You won’t necessarily find charge points as easy as you’ll find gas stations.
Frunkenstein 6 meses atrás
You do not own an electric vehicle.
C Dub
C Dub 6 meses atrás
This appears to be a very common problem politicians have conveniently ignored. They'll claim their own EV on their expenses paid by taxpayers. while these same expense paying taxpayers mostly can't afford a new EV. This in turn can't be charged in many areas without sufficient power generation & transport or charging point infrastructure.
Tony Balz
Tony Balz 6 meses atrás
I'm retired and like to travel the US. On any given day, 300 miles would run out fast. How long does it take to charge an EV vehicle? When I drive on the interstate, there are often 20-30 people gasing up. How will 30 people charge at one time? I think EV's are nice on paper, but reality is a totally different thing.
Bob Caygeon
Bob Caygeon 6 meses atrás
In some cases, traveling through the Canadian Rockies, there are many signs warning you of the last gas station and then yer own yer own. And they ain't kidding (I'm Canadian BTW). It's a no brainer to have a few litres of gas in your vehicle on these road trips. This isn't going off the map. This is trying to go from point A to point B through the Rockies. It's massive. I would be very nervous with an EV in bad weather trying to attempt that. Not against EVs at all. But it's a solution that will, IMO, not fit all countries 100%.
Ash B
Ash B 2 meses atrás
We've had EVs for 7 years and couldn't agree with you more. I would not consider having an EV in the UK unless i had my drive and a wall box. Having said that, I recently sold our Longer Range EV for a PHEV due to the winter/motorway range drops. Resetting the trip like you did would show me 250 miles, but in reality, it was more like 170 miles as many factors affect the real world range. I no longer need to stress about range nor worry about queues at the rapid chargers, etc . We use our Nissan Leaf for local runs and the Passat GTE estate for local and distance runs 😊
BL Juhl
BL Juhl 3 meses atrás
Yep, you’re right about taxation, here in the U.S. the gas cars pay taxes at the gas pump, where as E’s don’t. That’s called a road use tax
Pugwash 4 meses atrás
My elderly dad bought an electric car a couple of years ago. He has no charge points at home, so has switched to a hybrid petrol now, which suits his situation better.
vfwh 4 meses atrás
The driving history is obviously the thing that learns from your driving patterns and then predicts your range based on that; It starts with a bunch of assumptions, then gradually adjusts. When you reset the history, it just goes back to its default assumptions and doesn't take your actual driving in consideration.
Michael Rusnock
Michael Rusnock 4 meses atrás
I was wondering if you will test the actual mileage you get on a known trip versus the amount of estimate which is consumed on that trip to see how accurate it is, before & after reset. I have been hearing the mileage estimates are very inflated & rarely do you get the range which is estimated. I believe that leads to the range anxiety with current owners because they cannot trust the estimates.
wonton 4 meses atrás
Here in Australia, we do much more mileage and have more toys to tow, it is common to have 4 vehicles per household, his, hers, kids, work vehicle, etc. Charging them will be a nightmare personally and for the Electrical Network.
Erin S.
Erin S. 6 meses atrás
Hi Pete--a very important aspect of EVs politicians totally ignore is the natural resources needed for a battery. There are only about 6 countries that have enough deposits of Lithium (and other resources) to keep the batteries running….and the UK and the US are NOT two of them. At least with lead acid batteries the metals, sulfuric acid, and distilled water are readily available.
Bob Bailey
Bob Bailey 6 meses atrás
Apparently there is quite a lot of Lithium in Devon or Cornwall. The rare earth magnets (neodymium)will certainly present a problem.
Liam O'Donohue
Liam O'Donohue 6 meses atrás
@erin s. in addition to the lithium, cobalt etc the bulk of these batteries is the graphite anode. Much of the best "anode grade" graphite comes from oil residue. As with the other ingredients, there just isn't enough graphite - less so if it's burned first!
coweatsman 6 meses atrás
@valley of iron How common an element doesn't say anything about how easy it is to utilise. There has to be an energy profit to recovering the lithium because energy is the name of the game. Take the most abundant element in the universe, hydrogen. It is devilishly hard to utilise as a fuel and a net energy negative. At best it is a battery of energy. You can easily harvest H from natural gas or other fossil fuel but if the object is to cut fossil fuel use then that is awkward. Distilling water is the other way of sourcing H but a horrific energy hog. That is the most abundant element in the universe but that doesn't describe its utility, or lack of.
Vicki Meyers
Vicki Meyers 6 meses atrás
@Bob Bailey since EVs are supposed to be so easy in the environment, check into how a lithium mine pollutes the environment.
Indiana Jones
Indiana Jones 6 meses atrás
@valley of iron Is that where in Africa little children are used to dig for lithium?
RA W 4 meses atrás
It really depends on how often you drive your car, the key is to not knee jerk away from having no home charging because if you're not a daily commuter you very well may not need it. Im not a daily commuter but still need and have a car, when I dispassionately thought about how often I use the car I realised I'd be charging it once to twice a week and with six lamp post chargers within two minutes walk I knew it wouldn't be a problem. Of course if I moved in a year to the countryside I might be F'd.
Larry Danduran
Larry Danduran 4 meses atrás
What if you lived in a climate that has very cold winters. The battery has to keep itself heated as it just sits. That's really saving energy.
KlaxonCow 4 meses atrás
My guess on the range is that the car is programmed to predict your range based on actual journeys you've made. It has a "driving history", in order to record how much the battery depletes on a typical journey and, the more you drive, the more data it has to base that estimate on. It's "learning" your battery usage and refining the estimate. The more you drive, the closer it'll get to being accurate to what you're likely to actually get, and as you drove more, this was gradually revising it down from the unrealistic pre-programmed "330 miles" down towards what you're really going to get. And, as I say, I think the "330 miles" is just a pre-programmed value. The "aspiration" of the manufacturer. Once reset, the driving history is wiped, so it has nothing to base its estimate on than the pre-programmed value it's been given, and it shows you that. To be honest, don't reset the driving history. Let it use actual data, from your driving, to get an increasingly more accurate reading. And, yeah, it'll creep down to that value, the more you drive (as it would presumably be calculated as a "rolling average").
darkhorse2reign 4 meses atrás
Great thoughtful points that were drowned out and beaten down in the initial push for EVs. I own 2 hybrids, both make money. I own 2 diesels. They also make money. I'm always hedging bets on the in between solutions vs gotta have one or the other. When I do buy an EV, I'll have multiple ways to charge it - including solar, wind and petrol (as y'all call it :-)). The idea is BALANCE is best for me. EDIT: Dang, I own THREE hybrids: One is a plug-in that I forgot to mention. The other two non plug-in types make money for me (one is a long term rental and the other is used by me for rideshare ).
Iain Dickinson
Iain Dickinson 4 meses atrás
Excellent video Pete and you are right. I can add an additional spanner in the works. Being a domestic energy assessor, I have asked the question from 2025 that no new build properties will have mains Gas for heating. It will all come from Electricity. They may be a lot more efficient, but if you add to the grid Cooking, air source heat pumps, and ground source heat pumps, which all demand electricity to run, you increase the strain on the grid. So, come 2030 with you will have a spike on new cars and new homes at the same time, and if the infrastructure is not seriously updated and new power sources are not forthcoming, we will have blackouts. That is the consensus. The only hope is for every property in the UK to have PV panels on roofs, and the more rural homes and businesses, to have small turbines as well. The answer is not simple, instead very complicated, and needs some serious action to address in a cohesive fashion. But we won't be getting that anytime soon from Westminster.
Gary Rudd
Gary Rudd 6 meses atrás
Thanks Pete, great content as always. A few points (from an ex Mach-e ‘owner’). Resetting the range clock does absolutely nothing to impact the range, it just resets it to the theoretical range until you e done a few trips and then normal ‘range calculation’ is resumed (240 on warm days, 200 on cold days). I didn’t have a home box, used the public network. It was a complete ball ache with charge points out of order or full on about 30% of journeys. Travelling to and from Cornwall on holiday with the family was god awful with all the waiting around to charge. And the public charge points say 50kwh…complete tosh! lucky to get 40kwh out of most. After 9 months I gave up. Back to dinosaur juice I’m afraid and life is so much easier. I’ll see what EVs look like in another 10 years - maybe. Keep the content coming, great work
Colin Genge
Colin Genge 6 meses atrás
Seven years of using the Tesla charging network with 100% success.
matc1603 6 meses atrás
I do think you need some common sense to run an EV. The "the dash says" crowd and the "it's a 50kwh charger and I'm only getting 40kwh" should just stick to the self charging hybrids.
15Bit 6 meses atrás
This is why people buy Tesla's - the ownership experience is completely different in this respect. It is depressing that the user experience for non-Tesla EVs is still so poor. You get 40kW from the 50kW charger cos they are nominally spec'd at 400V and 125A (sometimes 100 or 120A even). But when you plug in to charge, your battery is probably at 360-380V, and the current maximum is fixed. And there are some transmission/conversion losses too, Obviously you shouldn't need to know this, and when it says 50kW you should reasonably expect to get 50kW....
Phil Tucker
Phil Tucker 6 meses atrás
What on earth decided you to buy a Mac-E without any apparent thought or planning Gary? It seems a bit unrealistic if you don’t mind me saying. (Are you prone to making these types of spur of the moment whims?) Why no home box?
z4mster _
z4mster _ 6 meses atrás
@Phil Tucker Exactly. As I said above, I made sure that there are sufficient on street charging points in my local area before pushing the button on buying. Plus, I've done trips to the south of France in my i3 and spent no more time at services charging than I normally would stop for, on such a trip, to stop for a meal break, pee, or just a leg stretch, except I didn't need to queue to use a pump and then queue to pay (if pay at pump is not available, which it often isn't at motorway services).
Mike Adair
Mike Adair 4 meses atrás
Here in the states. Many states are adding a road usage tax to the cost when you register your vehicle every year. We have a hybrid and in Ohio they added $100 To my bill. Some states are talking about adding an odometer to the car so they can charge you by the mile. Good video. Thank you.
Keith Weybury
Keith Weybury 2 meses atrás
Hi Pete I live in Australia. I have a Volvo C40 540 kilometre range ( car has recharge option). Our public charging infrastructure is way behind what it should be. I have used them on holidays etc and they work fine if you get there are a convenient time. I live in a free standing house with garage in Suburban Melbourne. I have a 7kw wall charger and we are fine, charge with solar or overnight. The cost is around 25 cents on average per kwhI agree living in an apartment or similar would be a nightmare with an EV. However it is the way of the future.
LJ Prep
LJ Prep 4 meses atrás
Interesting dialog, Pet. Yes, electrical companies will need to revamp all their circuits for fast charging of all the new EVs once everyone has one. Does your (Marquis?) have a rear window defroster? I noticed it's still foggy fifteen minutes later. P.S: Here in Oregon, our favorite dumb animals are squirrels and deer in the middle of the street. I brake for deer and people.
littleman1973 3 meses atrás
At last ! Thanks for an understandable video on EV’S ! The good and bad points … for me it’s going to cost a fortune in the end .. for everyone with an EV
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 3 meses atrás
Glad it was helpful!
jason archer
jason archer 4 meses atrás
I honestly hadn't even thought about street parking with an EV. That would be a daily nightmare.
Andrew Little
Andrew Little 6 meses atrás
Thank you Peter for raising the issues of disabled people having difficulty with charging electric vehicles. I’m posting the hyperlink to your excellent video on a couple of disability Facebook groups. Keep up the excellent work. Andrew
Andrew Little
Andrew Little 6 meses atrás
A true story : A disabled person recently leased an electric car through Motability and then posts of a disability Facebook group that he doesn’t have off-road parking and asking where near his south-coast home can he charge it. I was aghast. Surely if you’re going to lease an EV that’s the first consideration?
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 6 meses atrás
Wow 🤷‍♂️😮
David 6 meses atrás
@Andrew Little it says a lot about the integrity of the dealer.
Andrew Little
Andrew Little 6 meses atrás
@David I totally agree. Indeed I would go furthest and say that Motability have a moral responsibility to their disabled customers who perhaps don’t have the technical ability to understand EVs to ensure they have access to a nearby charging facility. On a personal level I had the opposite experience recently when my local Peugeot Motability Dealer tried to sell me a home charger costing £700 when I enquired about leasing a 308 PHEV, despite me making it very clear that I have a 13 amp socket on my garage that suits my needs quite adequately. He tried to claim that the wall box “would charge the car better’. Fortunately I’m not that naive.
David 6 meses atrás
@Andrew Little 🤣 typical dealer, full of BS hoping you are gullible enough to believe what they say. Never ask a deal for their recommendation, never believe a word they tell you, that's the best mantra Buyer your own research.
ncooty 4 meses atrás
The funny/ ironic thing about subsidies (tariffs) for "early adopters" is that they're just discounts for the wealthy. As prices become affordable for the middle class, the subsidies evaporate--and yet again, we collectively subsidize the wealth gap.
pqvid 3 meses atrás
The "not-so-wealthy" people are typically not buying new cars, they go for used. And guess where they get their used cars from? Plus, the subsidy on a 70K pounds car will more than pay for itself just from VAT alone. So if you look at it from this perspective, the whole subsidy story starts making a lot of sense. You kickstart the new technology, offsetting some of its costs. The wealthy people help driving it, offsetting the other part of the costs. Investors see that the government is serious about it, so new markets are opening - and thus they invest, to get their chance. To summarize: the subsidy doesn't cost the government a lot, if anything at all. It sends proper signals to investors and researchers, and as a byproduct it will provide the second hand market with cheap used EVs. I believe that's actually exactly how it has to be done...
ncooty 3 meses atrás
@pqvid: Except that's not how pricing works. If the target market for Product X will pay price P, then the a subsidy (S) does NOT yield P - S for consumers, but P + S for sellers. THAT is how subsidies work, with some slight marginal adjustments to compensate for the marginal costs to buyers and sellers to obtain the subsidy.
robert sills
robert sills 2 meses atrás
Oh so true
John Rhodez
John Rhodez 2 meses atrás
There is also the problem with public charge point and all the different apps you need to use them. I don't need ESSO money to use an ESSO petrol station, I don't need special BP money to use a BP station. There was on guy in the states who has 46 different apps on his phone so he can travel for his work. Idiotic situation.
Steve Poole
Steve Poole 2 meses atrás
It will inevitably end up like solar . Get in 1st or miss out
pqvid 3 meses atrás
Hi Pete, just go to Amsterdam or to Norway - you will see how future works. Cheap electricity at every corner. But it has to go step-by-step. You can't demand from someone to build an infrastructure if there are no cars. And equally you can't buy a car if there's no infrastructure. So it has to go in steps, growing naturally, and that overnight there's a fully connected infrastructure.
Paul Swann-Clark
Paul Swann-Clark 4 meses atrás
I live in Belgium in exactly one the scenarios you mention. Private (rented) parking space in a communal underground car park serving approx 50 vehicles. It’s a very common scenario here. Street parking is often discouraged through very high pricing tariffs to encourage people to use the park & ride facilities and city tram infrastructure. Few street charging facilities are currently installed around my area, which is mostly urban apartment complexes (many of which are long term rentals as is normal in eu countries). Those charges that are installed are not disabled friendly. Our company car scheme only allows purchase of hybrid or electric vehicles and soon only EVs will be allowed. It’s a real dilemma as there’s no agreements for communal spaces to install charging points and rental owners like myself aren’t going to pay for something we might get to use for a year or two before moving on. In the end I’ve opted out of car ownership altogether which is quite miserable!
Van More
Van More 3 meses atrás
And those underground parking facilities are extremely expensive. Far beyond the means of most people.
John Strick
John Strick 2 meses atrás
Where I live, Ohio, USA the state is already discussing the fuel tax issue. One option they have mentioned is taxing by miles driven, that would affect everybody the same, gas, diesel, EV, or whatever might follow. But I can see a real can of worms accurately recording the miles driven in a year by each & every vehicle in the state. I recently watched a video on how easy it is to roll back the milage even on modern computer controlled cars.
Joel 5 meses atrás
I have family in Northern Spain, where most people live in highrise buildings. The streets are very narrow, and parking is only available on the street and very competitive. There is no way their lifestyle will work with the mandates to go all-electric. Pete, your points are spot on. Electric cars are for a few because the street-level power supply worldwide cannot possibly service every house if everybody has an EV. The average person thinks they can keep plugging things into the wall until they find out they caused the house to burn down because they overloaded a circuit. You are right; we need to talk about it, but most people can't, and the green legislatures worldwide are incapable of intelligently discussing it.
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 5 meses atrás
John McClain
John McClain 6 meses atrás
I've been considering those aspects for better than thirty years. I worked in high end electronics for forty years and I've been an automotive mechanic all my life since about age ten. So much of the reality of electric vehicles have simply been ignored, tamped down, hidden from the general public. I've got less problems than most, I am retired, live alone, and leave my home only once or twice a week, but regardless of those facts, when we have a challenging issue, we have no recourse if we are forced into these things. Thanks for laying things out so clear and forthright. I have no desire to leave my forty year old diesel car. So far, almost no consideration of the cost to make batteries, the destruction mining their materials imposes and the fact they have a set specific number of charging cycles directly related to depth of discharge and speed of recharging. At the current time, China is the source of most of the raw materials for producing the cars and the batteries, and appears to be a fact into the foreseeable future. "Rare earth minerals" have been sourced my whole life as they currently are. I was reading about "electric vehicles" since the mid sixties, knowing they were present at the beginning of "automobiles" and quite competitive with hydro-carbon fuel vehicles" at that time. When our governments assume authority to tell us what we can have, what we must do, it's called Tyrrany.
fred hatfield
fred hatfield 6 meses atrás
It is like the Childs fairy tale about the kings clothes . Everybody is told he looks wonderful and believes it . Then the child who has not been brainwashed says , he has got nothing on .
John F
John F 6 meses atrás
Hi John this is very well explained the comment is 💯 percent thanks from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 enjoy your diesel car and your retirement
Howard Simpson
Howard Simpson 6 meses atrás
Most of the lithium will come from Australia, buy Pilbara shares. In NZ I charge my Leaf from solar, not fast but very cheap.
Phil Tucker
Phil Tucker 6 meses atrás
Hi John, I’m sorry that you find yourself in a lonely situation but I also hope you have achieved all those things you set out to do fifty years ago, and that you have achieved satisfaction. Peace and love bro. 🙏
Phil Tucker
Phil Tucker 6 meses atrás
@Howard Simpson sounds good but in the U.K. we only get about 4 months of useful sunlight per year so we are developing more nuclear energy which has a 100% clean output.
Geoff Chown
Geoff Chown 4 meses atrás
Agree with all of that. When we move from this apartment block, we’ll be installing solar, batteries and other devices to become more independent of the grid, but never completely off grid. Only then will we buy an EV, hopefully a Renault 5. In the meantime, I drive a Renault Trafic (diesel) very sensibly and get between 8 and 11 miles per litre (depends on load) which is close to 20p a mile. James & Kate reviewed the Citroen eDispatch and reckon on 3 mikes per kWh, that’s pretty much the same cost I’m incurring with my diesel van, plus the OEMs want me to pay more for the EV van. There’s much to improve that’s for sure. Good vid
Vinny Halls
Vinny Halls 2 meses atrás
Hi Pete, another thing you didn't mention is road tax in the UK, at the moment EV's are next to enougthing ! This will jump sky high soon once they have conned a few more folks into EV. I also live on a narrow boat in a marina, not a prob but, a big but is only 3 charging points (the marina can take 650 Narrow boats). there is no way I could charge a EV, a work mate who purchased a Tesla found that his charger had been disconnected over night on his drive (in Brownhills, Warwickshire) no charge in his car but a electric bill, someone had probabley added a extension leed to charge their vehicle!
ncooty 4 meses atrás
Your fiscal question (about tax revenue and highway budgets from fuel taxes) is a good, reasonable one--thankfully with a simple answer. Governments can just have mileage taxes paid when the car is inspected (or the registration is renewed) based on the odometer, and possibly also based on GVWR or other factors. Simple, and actually more like a use tax than one charged through fuels alone.
Daniel Hallett
Daniel Hallett 3 meses atrás
This topic gets discussed every so often in Washington and Oregon in US. This applies to high mileage vehicles too. Tax revenues have decreased. So far the political will is not ready to slow the growth of the move to EV.
Ardy Hagen
Ardy Hagen 4 meses atrás
Many excellent points. FWIW, in my area (San Jose Ca) there is a supermarket and a dog park that both have chargers… which would be adequate for my limited needs. Governments could incentivize installation of chargers in parking lots. However the tax issue, and increased demand for electricity will be problems
Dtr Xyz
Dtr Xyz Mês atrás
Very good points. Impossible for someone who parks on a busy street often half way up the road. The government are not thinking of this.
archangele1 6 meses atrás
You are so correct with respect to the cost of a new EV being out of reach for many of us. Also, the fact that the number one issue with used EV's is the battery, and the batteries cost a fortune to replace. I see the total cost of ownership of a new EV to be a bit too high for many people. I know plenty of people who find it a struggle to purchase some used car at $10,000 - $15,000. Good luck finding a good EV with a battery that isn't getting ready to die for that kind of cash. In fact, the price of all cars, both used and new, has gone up so much this year that most people I know are just refurbishing their present older cars. The price of a new transmission or a good deal of engine work is not much more then the sales tax on a new car these days. They can push EV's till icebergs float in Tampa Bay and if people just don't have the cash for one they are not going to give up their old gas powered clunkers until they will no longer move and parts are totally unavailable.
p l
p l 6 meses atrás
Yep lol
Michael Miller
Michael Miller 6 meses atrás
I have had 2 EVs and am currently driving a Kona EV. Please understand that the range showing is calculated based on recent driving conditions - up hills, speed, temp, heavy foot etc. When you reset the trip history, then it assumes the best an most recent history - i.e. just a few seconds. That will change as you drive along. My Kona has averaged 4.8 miles/kw since since day one. My driving home today up lots of hills say 2.8 miles/kw. The driving uphill kills it. At freeway speeds, I average about 4.3 mi/kw. So 4.3 time 64 kwh in the battery gives me a range of 275 miles. At best, the range reading is simply saying that at the current conditions you can go about so many miles. I hope this helps.
Tats and Dogs
Tats and Dogs 6 meses atrás
Nope. They are not ‘about to die’. EV batteries will last longer than a petrol engine and, even then, are only down to about 80% capacity. You really do sound like someone who has done a lot of thinking, but not much research.
Tubemonks 6 meses atrás
@Michael Miller There is far more to concern yourself with than that mate.
Caeser Romero
Caeser Romero 4 meses atrás
I live in a tower block in C London. In my immediate area there is one EV street charging point, that is in almost constant use by Taxis. If I could afford an EV (which I can't), I don't think the cabbies would be happy if I were charging it up for several hours at a time while they lose fares 😂
Eddie C
Eddie C 4 meses atrás
Frist time here. This is an excellent video with real life issues of owning an EV, my favorite topic was about losing gas or diesel taxes that pay for roads (like here in California). Never occurred to me that this will be an issue in the future for certain. Thank you for a great video. Ed, in Palmdale California.
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 4 meses atrás
Glad it was helpful!
SHR Modding
SHR Modding 5 meses atrás
Spot on about the taxes. Another one is emissions tax. It'll probably be transformed back into road tax when there's little cars producing emissions
Rockmuncher 4 meses atrás
I'd like to see a test in northern Canada during winter. Cold temps effecting battery life. Heater running in the car etc. Might be fine for your short commute, but we are a lot more spread out here, lots of long trips. EV sounds like a nightmare to me. Not even touching on lithium, nickel and cobalt mining around the world.
Scottie Thomas
Scottie Thomas 4 meses atrás
I have owned a 2015 nissna leaf for over 6 yrs and I have a home based charger and I drive my car to work every day I love this car and in your video you are so right when you said if you dont have your own home charger it's a nightmare
Paul Clarke
Paul Clarke 6 meses atrás
Here in US we have lots of full-sized pickup trucks. I use and actually need mine on almost a daily basis even though I'm retired and don't use it for work. A hobby I have requires that I pull a 16ft enclosed trailer and we all know about the recent test someone did where the pickup with a trailer only got about 85 mile range. I can only imagine what it would be like if you were driving in a state with mountains like Colorado. Occasionally, I take my trailer on longer trips which would reall suck if I had to stop every 85 miles. So, for the range problem alone, I don't see this as a practical solution even for 2030.
Rusty Nail
Rusty Nail 5 meses atrás
Yep, I'll be long dead before this battery revolution takes place.
Jim Rakai
Jim Rakai 5 meses atrás
Try to pull that trailer into a charging station
hugo ed
hugo ed 2 meses atrás
Very interesting hearing your thoughts on EVs, I wonder if anyone in the “know” or even the government, is working on the points that you raised. For EVs to be the transport of the future, society needs to find solutions to the important points that you mentioned. Although I have a feeling that in the next decade or two, the EVs of today will be unrecognisable and possibly obsolete because technology will have moved onto to a more sustainable form of transport and people who live in towns and cities will not require an electric vehicle outside their door. Keep the vlogs coming with more food for thought.
Lynne Page
Lynne Page 3 meses atrás
Great practical video which is clearly stated. We live in the country (UK) and already have an Audi RS etron GT which we love. We have off road parking with our own charging point. We started with a Tesla but for various reasons wanted to change it. Everything was fine until the winter cold weather. We are all electric so at this time we have night storage heaters (we are doing a self builds so things will change). The draw of the storage heaters affects the charging of the EV. We had to jump through hoops to get a better supply to our property and, so far, we are the only EV owner in a line of 16 properties. Recently we had to travel a long distance for a course over the weekend but the car needed to go in for updates. We were lent a petrol vehicle. The cost of travel was £70 petrol instead of £20 charging at off peak electricity cost. It shocked us. We have not bought fuel for over a year. As we are, at the moment, we would never go back to an ICE car but you have highlighted to us areas that we would have to look at if we wanted to move nearer to a town as we increase in age. The infrastructure is not in place for EV change over at this time and the cost of using public charging points make it prohibitive.
SolarUK 2 meses atrás
Thanks for your autobiography. 90% irrelevant information
Dan Fancher
Dan Fancher 4 meses atrás
Thank you for this perspective. The view on the loss of tax revenue from petrol taxes is huge. In the US, many electric companies allow net zero for home solar installations; supply excess energy back to grid. Taking this to the extreme…if every home installed solar, what generates the revenue to pay the lineman to do the work that they do?
Kevin Bragg
Kevin Bragg 2 meses atrás
He's right on all points. The thing that bothers me most is the battery itself. Advanced as they are it's still primitive. And where all the old batteries going to end up? We don't dispose of things properly already. It's going to be a big mess. Automakers have worked very hard to clean up the internal combustion engine for over 50 years. I'd like to see some honest and unbiased data on how much cleaner they run compared to 50 years ago. These are some points that seem to never get talked about.
rezillo 16 dias atrás
Good point about the batteries. The things are huge - and expensive. Improving the technology of the internal combustion engine is the better way to go.
Jimcy131🇬🇧 5 meses atrás
I mentioned the subject of charging the cars several times myself. What about all the Victorian terraces in the UK, not to mention that a lot of those types of streets every family has two or more cars and often you can't get to park in front of your own house.
Roger Rabbit
Roger Rabbit 6 meses atrás
Hey Pete, I live in Australia. and installed Solar panels on roof several years ago and was getting good rate for surplus electricity I was selling to the grid, now I get next to nothing plus hidden solar meter charges. I saw this happening a long time ago, as you rightly say, the same will happen with EV's when Governments lose out on excise etc. Very well put together arguments on living with an EV.
Cardinal Trails Disc Golf
And if the power grid is shut down, people with gas engines will be carting people around…
Nola Jacob
Nola Jacob 6 meses atrás
The Australian Govt has already discussed making EV owners pay extra to make up for the tax revenue they lose from petrol sales. It's all a massive con! People are told yet another 'fairy story' about how great EVs are, but reality gives a different result. Imagine the cost to run an EV when power prices go up another 56% (they have ALREADY increased!) + those Govt EV taxes.
Hay Loft
Hay Loft 6 meses atrás
@Nola Jacob I pay registration costs plus the 46 cents fuel tax, on top of which there is GST to provide the roads that EVs run on. EVs for the equivalent ICE are also much heavier contributing more wear on the road system. Let EVs pay their share and if electricity prices go up that only puts them on par with ICEs.
Rusty Nail
Rusty Nail 5 meses atrás
Classic bait-and-switch.
John Wayne
John Wayne 5 meses atrás
You could use the battery in your EV as a way to store the extra charge of the solar panels during the day.
Neil Pollicino
Neil Pollicino 4 meses atrás
You’ve given me pause, since I’m 76 years old & I live in New York City, it doesn’t affect me. But I do care about the next generation. You’re a class act. Thank you
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 4 meses atrás
David Bithell
David Bithell 2 meses atrás
Hi Pete, from figures I have see over 40% of properties in the UK do not have access to their own off street parking by way of a driveway or garage, unless the government legislates to bring in some form of parity in electricity costs between private & public charging I don't see the disparity in charge cost ending any time soon. Equally unless the Government acts soon to level up the tax take differential between ICE & EV ownership, it will find it politically impossible to bring in swinging levels of tax on road vehicle electricity etc. This, along with a few other issues, will result in a great swath of the population being denied access to economic private transport.
Daniel John Kirby
Daniel John Kirby 4 meses atrás
I think many of these problems are solvable, probably not by 2030, but one thing I really feel like I'm glad you're highlighting is how pricey public charging is. I drive an EV and a lot of people ask me "how much does it cost to fill it up?" and I never know how to answer that question. Do people want a simple dollar figure or do they want me to compare it to how much it costs to run a gasoline car? Do they want an apples-to-apples comparison or do they just want to know how much I pay each week for my very urban lifestyle of driving like, half the norm in my country? Do they care about how pricey of a charging station I'm using? In my area of the US typical retail electricity costs $0.13/kWh. There's a network of charging stations (not fast charging, regular ol' L2 charging) that charge $0.40/kWh. Assuming they're paying just $0.13 (it could be lower since they get commercial electricity, not retail electricity) they're making a profit margin of 207%. Is that worth it? Is there something special in those electrons that are worth all that extra cost? As you'd imagine, this means those charging stations are the last to get filled. And then people post on Facebook "Why is the city wasting parking spaces on charging stations no one uses?" and I'm like "I don't know, why is it? Why would I ever use a charging station that's nearly twice the price of all the others in town?"
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 4 meses atrás
Good point 👍
Patriarch 4 meses atrás
"Assuming they're paying just $0.13 (it could be lower since they get commercial electricity, not retail electricity) they're making a profit margin of 207%." I don't know about the US, but in the UK, commercial operations pay far more per kWh than domestic users. That might be a difference in governments - the UK government caps the price per unit for domestic use, but doesn't for commercial. My boss would *love* to pay $0.40 per kWh to keep the office running.
WEDurhamPE Mês atrás
I live in the USA. I have a hybrid I just bought. So far, I love it. But I’ve heard I’ll see an added income tax next year to make up for the lost gasoline (petrol) taxes. As for charging, I’m seeing more and more charging locations pop up here but I hear reports of people getting to charging stations (based on looking them up on google maps or whatever) and the chargers are out of service and then the person has to be towed home.
ronholfly 4 meses atrás
Very interesting and informative video on owning an EV. One money making point the Government has not picked upon is people who use the public highway as a garage, street parking has almost closed most city streets to single line traffic, and if you count refuge collection days or parcel deliveries then the road becomes closed. Wake up Government what you will loose on petrol and diesel tax you can claw in on a far more lucrative street parking tax.
Christian 5 meses atrás
Great video Pete! We recently faced the dilemma of whether to go for an EV or petrol car. Honestly, it didn't take long to decide to go the petrol route; as much as I love EVs. Where we live (Western Australia), the infrastructure for public recharging is definitely lacking/inconvenient - at least compared to other fuel options. Not to mention, by the time one shells out for a high kW at home charger and the electrical side to go along with it, they're starting to get pretty darn expensive. One of my big concerns, is that the uptake of EVs is going to outstrip the capacity of the existing electrical infrastructure - both residentially and publicly. Given the relative snail pace of our infrastructure providers to respond to market conditions, I can definitely see the abolishment of off-peak tariffs as more and more people begin charging their vehicles overnight (ie. large increases in off-peak power draw); which will start to erode some of the cost savings. Similarly, I'm concerned that as EV uptake increases significantly, electrical infrastructure won't be able to physically keep up with this power delivery (substations; transmission lines), as aged/existing systems were never ideally designed to have such high power draws consistently from residential properties (eg. summertime with AC units running; EVs charging etc., the instantaneous power draw from a single residence could easily exceed 10kw; versus a more typical 2-3kw... that's a 2 to 3 fold increase in instantaneous power draw; and we already know how unreliable electrical grids are during peak summer/winter...). This isn't really a care/concern for the EV makers - they just make the cars; and it's our problem having to charge them... but in the long term, I can see this being quite costly to home owners/general public/tax payers, as the electricity/infrastructure upgrades cost money, and it has to come from somewhere...
Petrol Ped
Petrol Ped 5 meses atrás
dr don
dr don 3 meses atrás
Oh no our utilitie company raised our rates up again for the 100th time this year
Bill Green
Bill Green 3 meses atrás
Exactly Christian. I am in WA too and we have a long way to go yet.
etmax1 4 meses atrás
There are a lot of upcoming charging options like every (or maybe every second) lamp post having a charge connection, for those that only have street parking, and if you plug your car in every time you stop somewhere for more than 15 minutes you only need a few amps to slowly charge the car during the day ready for the next long trip. As AC charging (at least with Tesla, but should be all) sees the charger actually built into the car and the wall unit only acts as a smart switch and a terminal that advises the car on how much it is willing to provide, this is possible at quite a low cost.
Duck Bizniz
Duck Bizniz 2 meses atrás
Thank you Peto Ped for your informative video. For an overnight charge (8 hours), can you get 110 miles of Econo driving or 330 miles of Econo driving? Or is it 110 miles of normal-drving and 330 miles of Econo-driving? As an American thank you for buying a Ford Mustang Mack.
Gordon Hudspith
Gordon Hudspith 2 meses atrás
Hi Pete, great video, but I have one question. The EV driving history is to look after your battery. Can you answer this question. If you reset the EV driving history, will that shorten the life of the battery because it only has a finite number of charges? I know that if you replace a battery on a tesla, it will cost between 10 and 15 thousand pounds.
alan mac
alan mac 4 meses atrás
Range anxiety may be almost a joke in the UK and Europe. In Australia it's real. I regularly drive 800 km to visit family. Sometimes 1200 km. I have family living in the SAME STATE as me (Queensland) who are 1,500 km away. Brisbane to Cairns is 1700km! (That would need an overnight stop in any car though, unless you had multiple drivers) In a diesel Mondeo it's easy. I can even do the 1200 km trip non stop if I want. With an EV that length of trip would probably require an overnight stop.
Norman Schrock
Norman Schrock 4 meses atrás
Agree, here in the USA it isn't an unheard thing to drive 300 miles/483 km. We take about 1300 miles / 2000+ km trip to visit family every year. Our Ford Maverick XLT Hybrid pickup gives us about 450 miles per tank fill, a two day trip. No way can we do this trip in 2 days on an EV these days.
John NH
John NH 4 meses atrás
I also live in Australia (but am from the UK originally), firstly I was surprised by the number and variety of EVs and the plethora of public charging options when I visited the UK last July, they're now 20% of new car registrations. I was also surprised that my relatives and a friend all have solar panels and batteries in the UK, like the sun ever shines? What I'd say is that most people in Australia live in cities and most journeys are not very long, I can see EVs being perfect for "most" usage. I've a friend with a Tesla Model 3, he gave me a ride to lunch a few weeks back and I challenged him "what if we wanted to drive to Sydney from Melbourne now?" His car was on 55% charge (I think), he plugged it into the SatNav and it suggested a drive to Euroa, a 20 min stop (let's face it, a coffee and a bathroom visit) and it would be at 85% charge, a lunch stop by the big sheep and you'd arrive in Sydney on 19% charge. In truth it's a 1000km / 600 mile / 9hour journey, like you wouldn't stop for a coffee, lunch and a bathroom visit (sensibly every 2 hours)? So, I was convinced...... Obviously, crossing the Nullarbor is a different kettle of fish, but that's a boundary-case, most people in Australia don't do this ever, let alone on a daily basis. Add to that - almost zero scheduled maintenance compared to an internal combustion engined car (many fewer moving parts), instant torque (addictive acceleration) and I can see the attraction. But, there is taxation..... Victoria (Australia) has introduced a rego surcharge for EVs and many criticise it, however.... EV's cause as much "wear" to the public infrastructure as ICE vehicles and the tax on petrol/diesel (although it's not hypothecated) goes a long way to funding those costs. Also, taxing fuel is arguably the only "fair" tax on vehicles as it is proportional to usage - people who drive a lot pay more. There are technological solutions for "pay as you go" of course, most people are used-to (and accept) toll roads, there are likely some privacy concerns against true road-pricing but a simple "report the distance driven" approach might suffice? As it is, people without cars, cyclists and pedestrians contribute towards the costs of the roads infrastructure in both the UK and Australia (where taxes aren't hypothecated). Having EVs creating additional wear & tear but not pay doesn't seem overly sensible long-term.
alan mac
alan mac 4 meses atrás
@John NH yes, for "most" people, "most' of the time, an EV might be great. The trouble is, you're paying a premium price for a car that won't do the job ALL of the time. Maybe "irresponsible" but we don't stop every two hours. If I'm feeling good, I often go 8 or so. If I'm feeling tired we'll stop and swap drivers.
John NH
John NH 4 meses atrás
@alan mac I'd counter the "won't do the job ALL the time" by highlighting that many people have two cars in their garage and that Utes/large-4x4s are often liabilities in city use so (arguably) similar to your objection to EVs (reversed). The future is likely EVs, like the steam engine before it, the internal combustion engine will eventually become obsolete. And again, whilst you may need to do your style of long journeys, plenty of others in Australia don't - ever. The average annual mileage for a car in Australia is now just 13,300km - actually comparable with the UK's 12,700km. There is a cultural perception in Australia that everyone does big mileages and regularly crosses the Nullarbor in their ute, it simply isn't supported by the statistics.
alan mac
alan mac 4 meses atrás
@John NH the point is, many people have a large expensive car/SUV for the long trips/holidays and school duties, plus a smaller more economical city car. But the EVs that are mostly available are basically very expensive city cars. And in one of the most urbanised populations on earth that certainly might suit some people. Not me. BTW my wife and I just did a 650 km drive today with just one quick pee stop, on just over 1/2 tank of fuel. Took 8 hours. Got us here in time for hospital visiting hours. Is there an EV under $40k that could have done that? And yes, it's probably going to be the future, but not like ICE's replacing steam/horses because they were simply better/more fit for purpose. It's going to be the future because it's going to be forced on us, whether we like it or not and whether they are fit for purpose or not.
James Collins
James Collins 4 meses atrás
The behaviour of EV drivers over the cold period we have just had, range rage for example. Queue jumping etc, has stopped a lot of people thinking about buying an EV. A long way to go with EVs yet.
Dean Stuart
Dean Stuart 6 meses atrás
Thank you for posting this video. It is incredibly well balanced and should be mandatory viewing for any politicians who think that EVs are some sort of panacea.
Tats and Dogs
Tats and Dogs 6 meses atrás
Sadly, it’s not balanced at all. He even admitted in the first few minutes that he doesn’t understand how the predicted range on his car is calculated.
pinkybar7 6 meses atrás
seems no one wants to talk about,what happens when batteries die,are they recycled,not here in NZ,politicians stear away from subject
Chris Smith
Chris Smith 6 meses atrás
@pinkybar7 They will be recycled or reused, plenty of info out there if you want it, not really been an issue so far as so few have actually needed recycling. An EV battery that is finished in a car is still fine for something like a batery farm (balancing load from renewables etc)
Dave Lawrence
Dave Lawrence 4 meses atrás
Completely agree with every single thing you have said & that why I will never buy an electric car!!! And you did cover most of the issues but one thing you left out was the fact that I used to live in a Victoriana house so there are shed loads of them ie a whole Victoriana street full of god knows how many houses & when you want to get back home & trying & actually park outside of your own house it's nigh on impossible soo how will that work!!!! 🤔 Great video as always Petrol Ped!!! 👌🏻👍🏻😁
Incomudro 4 meses atrás
Even for people who own homes and have chargers, I wonder how charging will be handled if there are several people in the home with cars? In my house for instance, there are 4 of us with cars - my wife, and both sons. I'm retired, but the three of them have work and/or school every morning.
braaitongs 2 meses atrás
Ja, you are right ! they will tax the living shit out of us on charging!
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