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Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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15 Abr 2019

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Stacy Faulkner
Stacy Faulkner 49 minutos atrás
Inexperienced pilots is the reason for crash. Bottom line.
Mark Anthony
Mark Anthony 3 horas atrás
Who is the fa$ narrating?
leule dawit
leule dawit 4 horas atrás
We should give up on the Boeing 737 max 8
PyroRomancer
PyroRomancer 4 horas atrás
>software overriding conscious pilots
Boris Karloff
Boris Karloff 6 horas atrás
Gone in 600 seconds
Boris Karloff
Boris Karloff 6 horas atrás
Boeing boeing...gone
Boris Karloff
Boris Karloff 6 horas atrás
Kill one person...go to jail Kill a lot of people....a statistical blip to your profits.
will edwards
will edwards 7 horas atrás
Is background music really necessary? It makes the dialogue hard to hear.
Boater on Tour
Boater on Tour 8 horas atrás
It's bad that there must crash a second plane before something was done.
Greenvolksi
Greenvolksi 12 horas atrás
Shocked. Did Boeing seriously fix bad flight dynamics with a bit of software and a sensor??? Is this the same company that designed and built the Jumbo and the Dreamliner?? Someone or some people in Boeing need to go to prison.
Nick M
Nick M 17 horas atrás
They had no left phalange. So sad.
M Ski
M Ski 19 horas atrás
Trained pilots wouldn't have crashed !!!
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
That's not 100% true but they would have been more prepared but more prepared doesn't mean that it will solve it
MavHunter20XX
MavHunter20XX 21 hora atrás
ONe thing thing that is left out that US pilots never crashed the 737 max. Is it true they didn't know about the MCAS? Or is it that they were so dependent on the computers they didn't know how to fly the the plane themselves w/o computer intervention. Something to think about and investigate.?
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
They wouldn't be flying if they couldn't fly it themselves. The autopilot is mostly used while the plane is stable and leveled at its cruising altitude so the pilots can relax a bit. Also you said they "wouldn't know how to fly the aircraft without computer intervention" when computers caused it in the first place.
Michael Lim
Michael Lim 22 horas atrás
FAA regulators?
Michael Lim
Michael Lim 22 horas atrás
How come the Boeing leaders and those involved in Max project are not found guilty of MANSLAUGHTER? Is it because they are americans and like all americans they are above the law?
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
That's not how the law works with air travel
Kairvette
Kairvette 22 horas atrás
Cant believe ppl would put such baseless story on the web without all the facts and data.
Boris Karloff
Boris Karloff 6 horas atrás
Can you believe that aircraft builders would put flawed redesigns into the service of carrying passengers?
Spic Democrat
Spic Democrat Dia atrás
Boeing executives bonus are calculated based on number of deaths, the more deaths the higher the bonus !!!!!
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
Lol
Spic Democrat
Spic Democrat Dia atrás
After the two crashes the Boeing executives ask? How big a bonus are we gonna git !!!!!
Spic Democrat
Spic Democrat Dia atrás
Never trust American companies, they don't mind killing their customers. Remember the Ford pinto !!!!!
Curtis Whyte
Curtis Whyte Dia atrás
This and all the issues the 787 was having is why I HATE Boeing. There more concerned with money then they are with human life and it disgusts me...
irvan36mm
irvan36mm Dia atrás
Boeing couldn’t just install taller landing gear in order to raise the 737 to make room for the bigger engine instead?
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
I'm pretty sure they'd have to change other things to accompany the taller landing gear and moving the engines up was an easier fix
Cosmos Wolf
Cosmos Wolf Dia atrás
Maybe Boeing and Airbus should end their rivalry.
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
Companies can't just "end their rivalries" it's a business rivalry and that means they're fighting over customers and if you end it it would end with one of the companies going bankrupt or dyingor one of the companies surpassing the other by a large amount.
Cosmos Wolf
Cosmos Wolf Dia atrás
Competition ain't always good.
Cosmos Wolf
Cosmos Wolf Dia atrás
Maybe competition isn't always good.
Cosmos Wolf
Cosmos Wolf Dia atrás
This story proves that competition between companies isn't always a good thing.
Cosmos Wolf
Cosmos Wolf Dia atrás
In the end, the rivalry between Boeing and Airbus is what started this whole thing. Competition isn't always a good thing, especially in the Boeing/Airbus case.
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
At 3:52, the training materials don't include the software because pilots are trained to correct a runaway trim condition by selecting the AutoStab cutout and manually trimming the plane, which is how MCAS receives its power.
Vapletrichs Gne
Vapletrichs Gne Dia atrás
This should be used as an example of how the media manipulates facts through it’s disgusting attack on America.
Vens Modz
Vens Modz Dia atrás
Thats so sad. My heat goes out to the familys
Stefan Hearst
Stefan Hearst Dia atrás
This is exactly what 8 or 9 of pilots and engine inspectors were at DFW Airport were discussing near the restaurant at the airport that I was over-hearing with my friend Sarah way before any accident. The mechanics would also mention that, during inspection and review of engine servicing, there would always be buckets filled with O-rings, gaskets, lock-nuts and other parts that were new but not installed or used during the engine rebuild servicing at overseas contractor locations. The manuals were in English and many of the contract mechanics did not speak English and certainly did not read English but, in an effort to save money and increase profits for the American Airlines and Southwest Airlines and other airline companies, it was a "no brainer" to offshore the work to contract mechanics as they can be paid pennies on the dollar without any type of healthcare benefits needed. Oh well. When it comes to business decisions to maximise company profits at any price, it is apparent that human lives are taken into account and are irrelevant and inconsequential. All that really matters in or American Darwinian Capitalist Plutocracy is PROFIT above all things. Praise Be to the Free Market Economy.
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
At 2:22, the engine move is forward and up, and renders a balanced effect, as tested in the wind tunnel. Not just moved "up".
Linus Möller
Linus Möller 11 horas atrás
Yeah, that part could have been better explained.
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
What are your sources for the article besides other related news topics?
Seany 92019 ツ
Seany 92019 ツ Dia atrás
Boeing: Lets put a bigger engine on the 737 we don’t care if it doesn’t fit *PLANE CRASHES* Me: Just put taller wheels duh
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
Might not fit In when the gear folds up
donna foster
donna foster Dia atrás
Watch the documentary on you tube 60 minutes Australia., it tells everything about this. I was shocked. Of course you won’t see it air in the USA, but thank God for you tube, we all can watch it.
donna foster
donna foster Dia atrás
Sweetteawillie i have watched his videos. He is amazing in explaining the problems with the Max8.
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
donna foster I'll give you a source worth listening to - it's blancoliro channel, a current B-777 pilot with regular updates on this issue. So far, this video and an WSJ video omit key facts in their stories. Be leary of the mockingbird media.
Bearded Barnstormer
Nice hatchet job on Boeing vice. Funny how none of the American operators had any issue with this. Where were you guys when the Automation on the airbus killed everyone on that Air France flight? I’ll wait
Tan Hinggjien
Tan Hinggjien Dia atrás
Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 9 ... ..is UNWELL aircraft production..... wrong and failed technology... Boeing..... MUST BE..... CHANGE.... this model and technology......... NOW...!! !! !! !!.......must be RISING.. NEW Model and NEW Technology..... and NEVER REPEAT.... MAX model and MAX technology....... Forever.. and forever.... ....and Forever......!! !!
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
wut
Austin Duffield
Austin Duffield Dia atrás
Boeing need to pay millions to the families.
Muhammad Firdaus
Muhammad Firdaus Dia atrás
penyelidik mati-matian mencari penyebab moncong pesawat yang menukik drastis itu, dan boeng's diam-diam aja, gak bilang klo mereka menambahkan software MCAS, yang menyebabkan hal itu sebagai solusi karena merubah design letak mesin, demi menyaingi Airbus.. it's All About money...damn.
Typical Ragyzy
Typical Ragyzy Dia atrás
The Lion air crash was on my birthday omg Crazy
Nobilangelo Ceramalus
What ever happened to fail-safe thinking in an aircraft company a hundred years old? 'Design is thinking made visible. But those guys were thinking, 'Quick, we have to beat Airbus', not 'How do we design a plane that will be safe?'
Edward Burke
Edward Burke Dia atrás
Sure, Boeing is in the wrong for failing to properly manufacturer and impliment the new engines but the FAA approved it. Everybody knows that a company might try to cut corners to save on cost, but what is the FAAs reason behind clearing an obviously flawed system?
Cosmos Wolf
Cosmos Wolf Dia atrás
It's because the FAA is corrupt.
Niko
Niko Dia atrás
You see, the safty priority in Indonesia and Africa, is alot less than the North America and Europe, especially northern Europe where the airplane travel is one of the most highest secure in modern age.
Dzaky 1706
Dzaky 1706 Dia atrás
737 737 ------ + 1474 737 ------- - 737 Just some random math comments folks nothing to see here
eSalty
eSalty Dia atrás
Bad idea to watch this before having to go on an airplane, wish me luck. :(
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
eSalty You are safer in aircraft than on land, based on facts. Watch and listen to a B-777 pilot on this issue at blancoliro channel. He has updates from Boeing and administration officials. You will have a better understanding of the situation. Be safe in your travels and be well... informed.
james ndung'u
james ndung'u Dia atrás
In reality MCAS was introduced to hide a structural defect
Mark 433
Mark 433 Dia atrás
I think this is why they say - never believe everything you hear on the internet
Green Silver
Green Silver Dia atrás
If it says Boeing, I’m not going.
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
Flew to Indonesia on a boeing 787 and to Japan on a 777. Just because one plane isn't safe doesn't mean they all are
re575817
re575817 Dia atrás
America, we need to move to a socialist thought of thinking. AMERICA can still be a captious nation, but at what cost, itS consumers? Save lives and still make money. What is your rush? HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH?
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
Boeing is American but America is not Boeing
Passionately Ambivalent
I'll take the train.
Michael Oswal
Michael Oswal Dia atrás
Why am I not surprised is the USA company the one "failing"
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
Michael Oswal The WSJ will sell you the same story. Market players taking advantage of bad publicity? A smear and a wrap-up all in one!
tiffsaver
tiffsaver 2 dias atrás
WHY HAVEN'T THE RESULTS OF THE BLACK BOXES BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC YET??
jake wood
jake wood 2 dias atrás
And also how does he know anything about aerospace engineering
Jose Camacho
Jose Camacho 2 dias atrás
wow putting there customers in danger so they can win
dovahkiin vakii
dovahkiin vakii 2 dias atrás
Vuz they want erase some Indonesianand africans 😂😁😂😂😂😁
R3CAV
R3CAV 2 dias atrás
Oof
Anais Gouati
Anais Gouati 2 dias atrás
Stop putting peoples lives in danger because you want more money!
Turb0 Punda
Turb0 Punda 16 horas atrás
It's not they want more money you understand companies can go bankrupt
Pussy Footer
Pussy Footer 2 dias atrás
Oops 😬
Astried Yunita Hair
Astried Yunita Hair 2 dias atrás
When Lion Air 610 crash with no trace because it's in the water, many blamed Lion Air not doing the right procedure. Even Boeing itself. I think somehow Ethiopian Air saves lots of life after. Because everybody was finally looked up to what happens since nobody care about what happen to Lion Air 610. Rest in peace all the soul from Lion Air and Ethiopian Air.
Steve Judge
Steve Judge 2 dias atrás
As tragic as it is, I can’t help myself to compare a scene of real plane crash with 9/11 - Flight 93 Shanksville Pennsylvania - "Nothing there but a hole in the ground" ... Go Figure ..
yong plus
yong plus 2 dias atrás
Wild wild west...thats all that it is. Greed
rooster sideburbs
rooster sideburbs 2 dias atrás
I dont see anything in this video that shows boeing did this to cut corners - they did it to compete with airbus. I dont think boeing knew this software would cause crashes - yeah cause crashes = bad for business.
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
rooster sideburbs Blancoliro channel is the one for you. You can see through this hype!
Charles Foree
Charles Foree 2 dias atrás
If you turn off the MCAS you now have an aircraft that is known to be dangerous without it. Nice work, Boeing.
Unclebenny Gaming
Unclebenny Gaming 23 horas atrás
All for the almighty dollar!
supernovasuper Plays
supernovasuper Plays 2 dias atrás
Now little bit more people hate Boeing Boeing should think twice if he thinked think more and Boeing probally feeled bad but I am in the Airbus side not because of this because I like Airbus more than *BOEING*
Monisha Singh
Monisha Singh 2 dias atrás
This is so sad... Someones greed took multiple lives.
Mike Howard
Mike Howard 2 dias atrás
Speed on production line, kills
Sorest
Sorest 2 dias atrás
duck tape solutions
Zactical Nerf
Zactical Nerf 2 dias atrás
The problem is competitive market. One flaws, one failure.
Alicia Truglio
Alicia Truglio 2 dias atrás
what happened to stab trim motor shut off switch?
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
They repeatedly turned it off and on. Too late for second plane because they left auto thrust on, I believe.
Alicia Truglio
Alicia Truglio 2 dias atrás
good question, must be an A/P mechanic.
Joe Swanson
Joe Swanson 3 dias atrás
Boeing 737: *exists MCAS: I'm about to ruin this old mans whole career.
Shaun Payne
Shaun Payne 3 dias atrás
Money money money money
Ryan Chen
Ryan Chen 3 dias atrás
I would have made the landing gear longer. Just saying and why on earth would you program a software in a plane that could overwrite the pilot’s control?
Toasturself
Toasturself 2 dias atrás
Ryan Chen yeah I would of made the landing gear longer too
mbah ganteng
mbah ganteng 3 dias atrás
Terjadi lagi
Tonny L Nielsen
Tonny L Nielsen 3 dias atrás
Is this really BOEING ?? First they destroy the aerodynamics of an airplane, then they "counteract" this with a strange unreliable system ! I will NEVER fly in this unreliable and unpredictable Boeing max 8 ! IF it ever flies again, all airlines in the future have to clearly make people understand what they are going into - to give passengers a chance to say NO! A chance to survive!
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
Who is going to force anyone to travel by air... to pay for a ticket? The FAA approved the 737MAX to fly without having pilots obtain new rype rating. The MCAS system was allowed to be a supplement for providing flight characteristics of the smaller engine aircraft. If anything, it was a lack of oversight to this system's potential problems, in my opinion.
Dennis
Dennis 3 dias atrás
American greed
Leon /Leon88991
Leon /Leon88991 3 dias atrás
Boeing 737 MAX: Grounded DC-10: First Time?
Kojak
Kojak 3 dias atrás
Boeing 737 Max's are still grounded for months.
RAYMOND HERBERT
RAYMOND HERBERT 3 dias atrás
WHERE WERE THE, FAA ENGINEERS, THAT APPROVED ALL THESE CHANGES? THEY WERE ASLEEP WHILE THEY LET BOEING DO ALL THE WORK AND TELL THEM IT WAS ALL GOOD. SO, THE FAA JUST BELIEVED BOEING AND LET IT GO. BOEING DID NOT INFORM THE FOREIGN BUYERS OF THE PLANE, OF THE PROBLEMS, SO THEY COULD GET THE TRAINING THEY NEEDED, TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT. PLUS, BOEING DID NOT NOT MAKE SURE THE NEW SOFTWARE WAS INSTALLED, APPROVED, AND TESTED TO WORK PERFECTLY, IN EVERY AIRCRAFT, AS IT WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO, AS WAS IT THE FAAs RESPONSIBILITY TOO. PLUS BOEING WAS CHARGING THE CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHT THOSE FAULTY AIRCRAFT, FOR THE SOFTWARE, WHILE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THE FREE UPGRADE, TO MAKE THE AIRCRAFT AIRWORTHY. GREED! ALL THE BOEING OFFICIALS WHO ALLOWED THIS SHOULD ALL BE IN JAIL, FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS, EACH !!!
sergent chris
sergent chris 3 dias atrás
this is why money is the root of all evil
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
sergent chris This love for money is... evil. Money is tool. Try fixing most of your meals without it!
armando rosales
armando rosales 3 dias atrás
I guess reusing hardware isnt like reusing code. Unlike the 'bit' world, Test Driven Development/Extreme Programming in the 'atom' world...kills people. Atoms not Bits. Engineers should do physics, not coding.
Nils 0172
Nils 0172 4 dias atrás
After more than 300 people died. They "fixed it with a software update" How...:(
jack grayson
jack grayson 2 dias atrás
Cause that’s how many things are fixed
sue she
sue she 4 dias atrás
Only flying Airbus now
Leonard Ovchinikov
Leonard Ovchinikov 4 dias atrás
Good job boeing Good job...
I Like Fortnite
I Like Fortnite 4 dias atrás
Isnt it the *NEW* Boeing 737 MAX 9?
mohlomphehi
mohlomphehi 4 dias atrás
Boeing CEO deserves the firing squad. Bloody murderer!!!
Aneesh Sahu
Aneesh Sahu 4 dias atrás
That's too brutal. Let's put them in their own plane 🎫
Rusdy Alif
Rusdy Alif 4 dias atrás
Greed cause disaster
Klemen Debevec
Klemen Debevec 4 dias atrás
Hey it's capitalism, totally expected...
Robert Mattfeldt
Robert Mattfeldt 4 dias atrás
SLOPPY AMERICANS PUSHING THE LIMITS!
J R Deckard
J R Deckard 4 dias atrás
None of the plane parts from the crash of Flight 93 were above ground. Go figure.
Ryder Koch
Ryder Koch 4 dias atrás
I took a tour through the building where they assemble these planes. Creepy to think that I could have been looking at one of the ones that crashed. RIP all on board Lion Air flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines flight 302.
melonbobful
melonbobful 4 dias atrás
Aviation is quite safe today because many have been killed by it. You know, something goes wrong and you fix it. Rinse and repeat.
954_vq Mike
954_vq Mike 23 horas atrás
melonbobful too much technology and expertise to say that and countlessssssss amounts of dollars in research ....
jack grayson
jack grayson 2 dias atrás
It’s harsh but that’s how the world moves forward
Tristan Andrew Acosta
Tristan Andrew Acosta 4 dias atrás
Despite the issue the I still love the aircraft, the only reason I think why Boeing messed this aircraft is they sacrificed safety over profit.
Broom Brawl Stars
Broom Brawl Stars 4 dias atrás
bruh why don't they just enchant their planes with feather falling, smh
zurdo z
zurdo z 4 dias atrás
this is a crime and Boeing should be liable.
Unclebenny Gaming
Unclebenny Gaming 23 horas atrás
It is, and they should be, but honestly do you think they will be held liable? Things will be settled out of court (for an ungodly sum of money), and then it's back to business as usual.
Thomas Harley
Thomas Harley 5 dias atrás
does anyone believe this BS.......more likely the QRS-11 chip was being "misused" by greedy blackmailer
Dennis Tienesen
Dennis Tienesen 5 dias atrás
The real reason they were grounded was because the world didn't want US to spy on diplomats uniting. These planes must be full of spy equipment...
Greg Mc Gowan
Greg Mc Gowan 5 dias atrás
nothin will happen with this. Another Grenfell Tower cover up. so look the rich get richer and the poor stay poor nuthin will happen.
Todd Howard
Todd Howard 5 dias atrás
You know it’s bad when in the 60 Minutes interview, even pilots said they don’t want to step on this plane
Matthew Riley
Matthew Riley 3 dias atrás
yeah
LEONG KING YEW
LEONG KING YEW 5 dias atrás
Sounds notoriously similar to Apple blaming the users for its products' defect.
chris77777777ify
chris77777777ify 5 dias atrás
Probably poorly built. Poor computer coding & poor management. Pilots could of been trained better...to turn off autopilot. However the problem was because of Boeing’s poor build over all. These planes have become to reliant on computers to manage the same mechanics. & the freemadson federal nutcase gov are to blame solely.
alex l
alex l Dia atrás
Pilots has not idea that the software was there, so they can't turn off what they don't know about... Never told about it, or trained on it.
T8PolestarCyan
T8PolestarCyan 5 dias atrás
Why don't Boeing start making a modernised, lightened, re-engined 757s to replace 737s?
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie 4 horas atrás
T8PolestarCyan I don't know how to restart a production line. The 7XX is the new development to fill the 757/767 market, I think. I wish the 757 was still in production with the new materials that are used in all of Boeing jetliners being produced.
T8PolestarCyan
T8PolestarCyan Dia atrás
@Sweetteawillie But 757s are still single aisle but taller than 737s. Surely all they need to do is to shorten the length (if necessary), replace older materials with composites and redesign their wings. It's easier to re-engine an aircraft that is taller without having to dramatically change aircraft's characteristics nor having to risk a buggy mcas. Airbus already have A321LR that already competed and replaced some 757s. Look at 777X, they already have re-engined, re-winged and materialised that aircraft. If that can be done on 777X, surely similar can be done to 757s but without needing engines like Rolls Royce RB211, can go for ultra high bypass CFM LEAP or Pratt and Whitney geared turbofans instead. Also surely 757s... NG or X (if there are going to be one) can be repurposed as short haul flights like 737s and A320 Neos but without needing dramatic changes like 737 MAX.
Sweetteawillie
Sweetteawillie Dia atrás
The 737 fills a market need. The 757 was built to replace the 727 market. The newest version is aimed at the 757 market - between the 787 and 737 ranges and capacities.
T8PolestarCyan
T8PolestarCyan 4 dias atrás
@Hamdan Abdullah Ok but wouldn't be easier to re-engine a 757 since it's inherently taller?! Boeing had to go though lots of trouble re-engined 737s and look what happened! All they need to do is to fit highly efficient engines into 757s not like Rolls Royce RB211s, more like Pratt and Whitney geared turbofan or something. Boeing already have developed 777Xs (not yet deployed as of 15 Jun 19) and surely can do something similar to 757s. A 757NG-1, -2 or -3 can one of the highest by-pass, most efficient turbofan engines so to say, along with more composite materials to compensate for less power than current 757s. 737 Maxs already caused 300ish deaths, 2 crashes due to faulty MCAS. That's enough for the public to NOT to trust Boeing. I rather go for airlines that have Airbus A320/A321 Neos or even Comac C919s!
Hamdan Abdullah
Hamdan Abdullah 4 dias atrás
because expensive and time hence business looks fr cost savings, less input more output
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