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With the news that Isildur will be the main character of Amazon's Lord of the Rings Series, we dive into his entire life! Get ready for Rings of Power as we cover his youth in Numenor, founding Gondor, the War of the Last Alliance, his claiming of The One Ring, and downfall. Along the way, we'll cover other characters certain to be part of the show, like Elendil, Ar-Pharazon, Tar-Miriel, Gil-galad, Elrond, and more! Enjoy the life and Complete Travels of Isildur!
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Isildur and the Ring - Andrea Piparo
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Ar-Pharazon - Turner Mohan
The Evil Runs Deep in Numenor - Oznerol
Numenorean Warrior - Jef Murray
Elendil and Sons - Abe Papakhian
Faithful Family, Inziladun and Tar-Miriel - Juliana Pinho
The Last Hunt - Turner Mohan
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Ar-Pharazon - Steamey
Ar-Pharazon and Tar-Miriel - Nemanja Bubalo
Sauron bows, submits to Ar-Pharazon - Kip Rasmussen
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Isildur and the fruit of Nimloth - Eva Zahradnikova
Isildur Healed - Peter Xavier Price
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Isildur and the White Tree - Murrauddin
Armenelos - Skullb*st*rd
Numenor coast - David Greset
Ar-Pharazon Defies - Paula DiSante
Ar-Pharazon's Fleet at Umbar - Niwa Jongkind
The King's Councelor - Turner Mohan
Pelargir Docks - Emilio Rodriguez
The Ships of the Faithful - Ted Nasmith
Erech - Matej Cadil
Warden of Helm's Deep - Jarreau Wimberly
The Coming Darkness - Noah Bradley
Minas Ithil - Shadow of War
Osgiliath - Matej Cadil
Osgiliath - Peet
Saruman's Palantir - John Howe
Sauron - Shadow of War
The Last Alliance - Jenny Dolfen
Arnor Archer - Lustoza Darik
The Dead Men of Dunharrow - Irene Langholm
Oathbreakers - Abe Papkhian
Stone of Erech - Anke Eissmann
Sauron vs Elendil and Gil-galad on Orodruin - Kip Rasmussen
Gil-galad, Sauron, and Elendil - Tom Romain
The Fate of Isildur - Anato Finnstark
Elendil - Leo Lujan
Isildur cuts the Ring - Denis Gordeev
Council of Elrond - Alan Lee
Mount Doom - Christophe Auzeine
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Isildur - Marta Aguado
The White Tree - Ted Nasmith
White Tree of Gondor - 1OSHUART
Minas Tirith - Ludovic Bourgeois
The Path to Amon Anwar - Matej Cadil
Elendil's Tomb - Abe Papakhian
It is Precious to me - Matej Cadil
Scroll of Isildur - Matthew Stewart
The Trek of the Dunedain - Anke Eissmann
Isildur's Bane - Donato Giancola
Ohtar Takes Leave of Isildur - Anke Eissmann
Isildur's Last Councellor - Anke Eissmann
Weakness for power - Frerinhagsolb
King of Gondor - Oleg Kuzmin
Disaster of the Gladden Fields - Jannis Kernert
Disaster of the Gladden Fields - Alan Lee
The Ring Has Moved On - Anke Eissmann
The Death of Isildur - Anke Eissmann
The Gladden Fields - Anke Eissmann
Rivendell - Zak Seymour
Strider - CK Goksoy
Argonath - Andrew Rose
The Argonath - Armand Cabrera
Argonath - Denis Gordeev
Argonath - Dezsoart
Argonath - Margaux Valonia
The Argonath - JC Barquet
The King of the Dead - Sergey Samarskiy
Pelargir - Aegeri
Battle of the Black Gate - Ted Nasmith
The White Tree of Gondor - Aegeri
The White Tree of Gondor - Aegeri
Orthanc in the Second Age - Ted Nasmith
Isengard - Only Chasing Safety
Aragorn - Anna Lee
Isildur - Marta Aguado
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Nerd of the Rings
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Check out Fellowship of Fan's video reveal of Isildur as the Main Character: And visit our sponsor - use the discount code NERDOFMAPS to save 15%!
Johana Bigasová
Johana Bigasová Anos atrás
I have one question. What about Elwë Singollo, Tuor, Saeros, Fingolfin, Beleg Cúthalion, Maglor, Maeglin, Oropher and other Silmarillion's characters? Would you make video about their life(if there is something to find out about some of them)?
Nerd of the Rings
Nerd of the Rings Anos atrás
Absolutely! I cover Beleg in my Túrin video, and Oropher in my Thranduil vid so you might be interested in those, but I’ve got most of those you listed on my to-do list! Turin: Thranduil:
Ian Martell
Ian Martell Anos atrás
I like your content you are an inspiration to creators like myself
My dude, I'm going to need you to slow down with the top quality content, there aren't enough hours in the day for me to consume it at a reasonable rate! Once again, an awesome deep-dive into another of my favourite characters guarantees that nothing productive is happening under MY roof today and I'm 100% down for that 😂
Fellowship of Fans
Fellowship of Fans Anos atrás
Thank you man, it was so much fun!
Yarden Akin
Yarden Akin Anos atrás
Isildur did so many great things, founding Gondor and saving the White Tree twice. And yet, he will always be remembered for his great failure
Valentin Kambushev
Valentin Kambushev Anos atrás
This only proofs that even if you've done countless of good things and one bad thing, people would only remember the one bad thing. It happens in real life all the time .
Laura-Bianca Anos atrás
It was not a failure...he just did not know how bad it will be
RiffsThatKill Anos atrás
@Valentin Kambushev does it? I mean his failure was legitimately large enough to outweigh all the work he did. He had a huge responsibility or duty to destroy the ring, destroying Sauron forever. Knowing how sinister and resilient Sauron was, he still did not destroy the ring, changing the course of things and causing his family members to have died in vain. He caused a lot of damage. Of course, the ring corrupted him so there is that to consider. But, if you have the chance to save the world and don't do it, you're probably going to be remembered for It.
Kai Schuster
Kai Schuster Anos atrás
@RiffsThatKill except that he redeems himself in the end. In unfinished tales it explains that after he returned to his kingdom he realized his folly. He decided to take the Ring and give it to Elrond. It was on his way there that his group of 200 soldiers was ambushed. After several days of fighting he put on the ring to escape to Rivendell. He ran for days and arriving at the river and stripped his armor to cross. while crossing he lost this ring and when he arrived at the bank the orcs finally discovered and shot him.
Laura-Bianca Anos atrás
Again, it was NOT a failure. He took it out of grief. He was not weak. People need to read the book and not watch the films
Lopi robinson
Lopi robinson Anos atrás
No one can blame anyone for not destroying the One Ring. No one could. It had to be destroyed by accident. Eru saw this. Sauron knew this.
Skabanis Malaka
Skabanis Malaka Anos atrás
Sam could the purest heart…recognized master Sam
Bruno Kagawa
Bruno Kagawa Anos atrás
@Skabanis Malaka so did Aragorn, at least in the movies.
Avi Anos atrás
Really? I never knew that. Where is that written?
The Lord of the Bears
@Avi In Tolkien letters
Gucci Ak-47
Gucci Ak-47 Anos atrás
@Avi in the return of the king you can see it as well when Frodo will not drop the ring and it is only destroyed because of his skirmish with gollum
William Sorrell
William Sorrell Anos atrás
Tolkien wrote lsildur as the perfect example of even the the strongest of heros with the strongest of hearts can always fall to darkness if the let themselves
Doc - Uzziel- Holiday
Yes, and Frodo with another kind of strength, strength of spirit, was able to do what Isildur could not. Shalom.
Sinaxo Anos atrás
@Doc - Uzziel- Holiday Well Frodo didn't really. He took it all the way there yes, but he didn't throw it in
Lilith Ravenheart
Lilith Ravenheart Anos atrás
@Doc - Uzziel- Holiday What nonsese are you talking about? Frodo didn't had the strength to destory the ring either. It is NOT destroyed intentionally by Frodo or anyone. ^^
Skabanis Malaka
Skabanis Malaka Anos atrás
@Doc - Uzziel- Holiday Frodo failed you mean Sam is the truest hobbit, he is the one that carried the ring and gave it back.
Skabanis Malaka
Skabanis Malaka Anos atrás
Tolkien wrote the trust uncorrupted was Sam.
Johnny Edelhoff
Johnny Edelhoff Anos atrás
Elendil: "We have to leave now! Only take essentials!" Isildur: *brings a giant black stone*
Crafty Spirit
Crafty Spirit Anos atrás
Hehe Michael Martínez has an interesting article on the stone of Erech, he surmises that stones like these were used to establish a connection to Eru, they seem to be sacred artefacts By the way, it is unknown whether the stone was necessary to activate the curse once the Men of the Mountains broke their oath... but I noticed that many oaths are connected to a powerful artefact, such as the Silmarils or the Ring
MrSamulai Anos atrás
"I like that boulder, that is a nice boulder."
Shady Shadpus
Shady Shadpus Anos atrás
" No, Son, we've not got room for your entire Rock Collection !" " Can I just bring the Big One, Dad?" ".....sighs....."
Fabian Donvil
Fabian Donvil Anos atrás
to be fair they also brought the giant palantir that was put in osgillliath.
Shawn O
Shawn O Anos atrás
@Fabian Donvil pretty sure that is he rock they are talking about
Laura-Bianca Anos atrás
Isildur's story is about a man who made a wrong choice *out of grief* he was not weak, or stupid. Nor did he immediately fall under the power of the ring. He continued living for a long while. Took over the responsibility of ruling two kingdoms. Isildur will always be a great man
Laura-Bianca Anos atrás
hunter christensen that is long. And proof he was not weak
Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell Anos atrás
bcan't agree with this comment more. much brilliance in tolkien's stories shows how greatness is compromised on a lot of spirtual levels. absolutely much can be learned from his stories from when choices are made from emotion. ilsidur at the end recognized pride in keeping the ring for his family led to its downfall, which when looking at his dead father im sure was grief initially
dlevi67 Anos atrás
@Laura-Bianca mmm... considering it took ~500 years for the Nazgul to appear, I wouldn't say that 2 years is very long.
Laura-Bianca Anos atrás
@dlevi67 these 2 things have nothing to do with eath other. You cannot compare the One to the lesser rings
dlevi67 Anos atrás
@Laura-Bianca So, Gollum is totally extraordinary - after 500 years, a completely unmotivated murder to get the Ring and a life of perversion thereafter, he is _almost_ redeemed, and certainly redeemable. Bilbo and Frodo had the One for decades and didn't succumb. Please.
TheUrratha Anos atrás
15:47 “No trace of his body was ever found by elves or men” The significance of this line is mind blowing because later Saruman acquires Isildur’s remains and brings them back to Orthanc for…purposes
Valentin Kambushev
Valentin Kambushev Anos atrás
I doubt he found much. Probably only the skull and some parts of the skeleton and perhaps some clothing.
Sweeperboy Anos atrás
It's interesting, because Isildur is widely considered a failure as ultimately he took the Ring which he was advised not to and which betrayed him in the end. However, it is important to note that it is easy for us to judge in hindsight that what he did was a foolish thing. Remember that up until that point, no hand other than Sauron's had ever touched the One Ring to know what would happen, nor in all likelihood did anyone other than the Three Elven Ringbearers truly understand what the One Ring was for...and even they probably did not fully understand at that point what they would later come to know about it. Yes, Isildur "should" have listened to the likes of Elrond and Cirdan, who were Ringbearers themselves, but hindsight is a wonderful thing as they say. Isildur's judgment was perhaps affected also by the horrors of the war and the final fight with Sauron, including the death of his father and the previous death of his beloved younger brother. If you pay heed to the other deeds of this mighty man, you see that he was far from being "weak" as the LOTR films essentially portrayed him. Elrond of all people should have realised with the history of the Noldor being what it was, that it is not simple weakness to fall prey to such an allure. It is the entire reason that the Noldor came back to Middle Earth in the first place, and why ultimately he himself as born Peredhil rather than being a pure Elf. He cannot criticise Isildur in the way he did in the film, without essentially issuing the same critique against the likes of Feanor & his sons (who include his foster-father Maglor), his forefather Fingolfin, his mother-in-law Galadriel and others.
Campion Anos atrás
Wow! I can’t say anything more than, “EXACTLY!”
Ákos Tárkányi
Ákos Tárkányi Anos atrás
And Fingolfin and Galadriel chose the right way in the end not like Feanor and his sons. Isildur - at least in this film - is shown like Boromir, choosing the right way in the end as a logical continuation of his life before this glitch of taking the One Ring inspite of the counsil of the wise.
DamonNomad82 Anos atrás
Isildur was no more of a failure than Frodo was. He just didn't have a convenient Gollum to steal the Ring from him and cast it into Mount Doom...
Anna Anisa
Anna Anisa Anos atrás
You bring up an *incredible* point that I did not formerly consider. I initially thought, why were the Elves so passive in just letting Isildur “take the ring home” (despite the counsel to destroy it) rather than stepping in to destroy it themselves? I assumed they already knew the full power and affect the Ring had on people… but your explanation makes *complete* sense. I thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. 🙏🏻
Ákos Tárkányi
Ákos Tárkányi Anos atrás
@DamonNomad82 Frodo was merciful with his enemy, Gollum when he could have killed him (just like his uncle, Bilbo, earlier). That is why he got, as a gift from the fate or from Eru, the special mercy of being deprived of the Ring when he could not resist the temptation pf power any more. "Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy", that is what Tolkien believed and what he described this way.
RTM PreGame
RTM PreGame Anos atrás
Idk why Isildur’s story touches me so much, but just wow man! Absolutely amazing video! I’ve seen all your videos and this is you at your absolute best! Keep up the amazing work!
Nerd of the Rings
Nerd of the Rings Anos atrás
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much!
Santiago Scort
Santiago Scort Anos atrás
I think Isildur is a perfect choice by Amazon to be a the show’s main character. His arch is beautifully tragic and directly connects with the movie trilogy. Super excited for the show!
Adam Farmer
Adam Farmer Anos atrás
That would be an epic show! Sadly, I fear that it will not come to pass.
SgtMeatloaf 223
SgtMeatloaf 223 Anos atrás
@Adam Farmer yeah Amazon has chosen their path, one much more tragic and disappointing
Roy Allred
Roy Allred Anos atrás
this comment didn’t age well sadly
G M Anos atrás
@Roy Allred huge missed opportunity not making Isildur the center of the narrative. They were too focused on telling their own story
David Bailey
David Bailey Anos atrás
They chose Galadriel to be the focus , and it’s awful.
illuminaughtiness Anos atrás
This video, the story telling... It may be your very best yet. Parts of it hit me in the heart. From a long time viewer, just some random stranger out there in the world... Thank you so much for all the work and time and effort you put into your content. I'm so grateful for all you do for us, your viewers and ' friends' in lifes fellowship.
Nerd of the Rings
Nerd of the Rings Anos atrás
Thanks so much for your kind words! They are truly appreciated, Mellon!
Ruwanthi Kulasinghe
Ruwanthi Kulasinghe 7 meses atrás
Yes. For me too
Ninny McBinny
Ninny McBinny Anos atrás
I can’t wait for the show to come out! Also I wish there was a show or a movie based off of the silmarillion with the story of Túrin and also the story of Beren and Lúthien
Samuel Spry
Samuel Spry Anos atrás
The man who saved the white tree, the king who made the Legion of the damned, the founder of Gondor, and the man who died for his greed. So many great and terrible things, and only his failure is known.
Zac Glover
Zac Glover 10 meses atrás
If only he could have fought off the Ring's influence for one more minute and he would've saved middle earth
pscar1 Anos atrás
The breadth and depth of the history of Middle Earth always leaves me in awe. Just hearing the time that passed between when Isildur wrote down his account and when Gandalf read it sends chills through me.
Wim Leiderkamp
Wim Leiderkamp Anos atrás
This episode brought tears to my eyes. How well you tell of Isildur's tragedy!
Arthur I Plantagenet
I personally prefer how Isildur cut the ring from Sauron in the movies than how he took it from his dead body in the books because it show how Sauron caused his own downfall by underestimated the strength of men and that men are indeed strong but not perfect as it is shown when he refuses to destroy the ring (not that anyone could anyway). I also like it because it makes him more heroic and tragic.
MelkhiorDarkfell Anos atrás
Unlike the movies, Isildur in the books is more noble, he took the ring, but didn't climb all the way up Mount Doom only to turn back. And he planned to bring the Ring to Rivendell so they could keep it safe and get a better idea of it. In fact, it seems like he was never ensnared by it at all, this was after all the man so faithful that he stole the sapling of Nimloth before the Downfall of Numenor.
GSS1-Sirius Anos atrás
Imagine the immense hero status Isildur would've had if he'd cast the ring into the fire.
Itamar Jr
Itamar Jr Anos atrás
I don't believe that people would know. What we know about the ring was not a knowledge that they had, not even Elrond. They thought that by killing Sauron he had gone for good. Years late that they discovered that his spirit had endured. Isildur was a hero and a victim, by RPG standards he was the guy who took the cursed magic item without knowing that it was cursed, and paid the ultimate price for it. The movies make Isildur looks greedy and all, but in the truth he only knew that the ring was "evil" when the ring abandon him, like the guy on the video said.
Doc - Uzziel- Holiday
@Itamar Jr I agree with you, however, the story would have ended there, when Aragorn redeemed his father and his betrayal and the other races , once again joining to conquer the evil, was epic. The temptation of evil is something we all face, on a daily basis, and we all choose, in each moment of life, whom we truly serve. Shalom.
Itamar Jr
Itamar Jr Anos atrás
@Doc - Uzziel- Holiday Against that I can't say anything else. You are totally right. It's all about the decisions we make! Nice one.
dlevi67 Anos atrás
@Itamar Jr I'm not convinced that Elrond didn't know much about the Ring. He was a (distant) cousin of Celebrimbor, as was Gil-Galad, and both were well aware of the existence of the One and its dominion over the Three... which required the One to be exceedingly powerful.
Ioandrak Anos atrás
@Doc - Uzziel- Holiday What betrayal are you talking about?
Nunya Anos atrás
I've always found it interesting that Isildur claimed the Ring as a weregild for his family & when given the option to gift it to his son Elendur to save his heir instead of himself, he chose not to.
Calum Chamberlain
Calum Chamberlain Anos atrás
Makes sense to have Isildur as the main character for amazon prime telly show , the 2nd age of middle earth history is some what defined by his actions and not just keeping the one ring . Looking forward to seeing more of Tolkien's work brought to life.
Тмофей 11 meses atrás
Great job done. Just like a good history lesson. Productive. Thanks mellon. 😀🤲🙏 Story of Isildur learns how can every person can fall due to corruption. And how evil can be attractive and poisoning.
Mourning Coffee
Mourning Coffee 8 meses atrás
Nerd of the Rings: Isildur will be the main character of Rings of Power. Rings of Power: Hold my Galadriel
Toshiro Yamada
Toshiro Yamada 6 dias atrás
Oh boy Rings of Power, what a mess that turned out to be.
DamonNomad82 Anos atrás
I remember reading an amazing fanfic about the final years of Isildur's life. It was an older fanfic, predating the LOTR movie trilogy. It started with the oath breaking by the men of Dunharrow, which in the fanfic is encouraged by a servant of Sauron, hinted to be the future Mouth of Sauron. It then follows Isildur and other major characters from the War of the Last Alliance through the final confrontation with Sauron, Isildur's claiming of the One Ring, and his efforts to use it to rebuild what was destroyed in the war. The story concludes with the end of Isildur's life in the Disaster of the Gladden Fields.
Angel Anos atrás
This is definitely an interesting making Isiludur the main character. But as I was listening to the FOF livestream, I have to agree with what you said about the fact that they can take the show through flashbacks in a few episodes instead of being stuck in a complete forward mode if they literally started at the beginning. I can see possibly the forging of the Rings of Power in the very beginning like in the first Episode etc or in flashbacks
Vig Gurumurthy
Vig Gurumurthy Anos atrás
Isildur saving Nimloth (indirectly) will always be one of my favourite moments in the entire series
The Brothers Krynn
The Brothers Krynn Anos atrás
Love Isildur, love how high he rose and how low he fell, I'm a big fan of Isildur but think that the sad thing is that his death in all but a ditch was his own doing. The ultimate anti-hero, one who's ignominious end came just as he was trying to change, Tolkien was such a master-craft author.
theamazingbatboy Anos atrás
This a great idea, they're going bigger than I thought. They should start when he was young, on Numenor, showing Sauron and chronicling the whole build-up to the fall of their civilization. Good meaty stuff.
Deborah Eichelberger
Love this video. However, I still believe Elrond should have been the main character. He has much more connections to people, he is older and they would have been able to connect it back to the main work of LOTR.
Velvet Jones
Velvet Jones Anos atrás
Seems like Elron and Elros would've been a better choice for the main characters, but I hope it's good either way 🤞🏼
Luud Anos atrás
6:58 Isildur safes a seedling of the White Tree from destruction. Safing heirlooms and preserving them: This seem to be a theme which spans all of Tolkien works. E.g. The Seedlings of the White tree, The Ring Of Barahir, The Shades of Narsil.
jesusknight1 3 meses atrás
If no one ever found his body or was with him when he died, how do we know he actually dies? Thanks for this, very well done!
Emily Elizabeth Buchanan
No elf or man did. It's implied Saruman did find some remains. Also the account of his fall could have come from the orcs (though not of course Isildur's thoughts as he was in the river). They certainly would have known that they shot at him and that he had died when he didn't come after them. Orcs don't usually lie much, for all their other vices, though they do taunt. They enjoy cruelty and senseless killing and would probably brag once they realized they'd brought the great King down.
If Isildur is the main character, they must be skipping a lot of the back story that happened before he was born. I'd prefer a first age story based around Feanor. That at least leaves the option for sequels that continue the tale.
Wayne Purcell
Wayne Purcell Anos atrás
They were absolutely forbidden to mess with the first age by the Tolkien Estate. They were only allowed the second age because Tolkien wrote the least about that time period, and even then (supposedly) they are not allowed to produce anything that contradicts Tolkien's actual written canon.
st0rm Anos atrás
Was hoping for morgoth and a generational story of the many things up to his defeat. Wouldn't feel predictable to most peoppe. And unique .
Husnain Ahmed
Husnain Ahmed Anos atrás
Babes & Board Games Harfoots are described as dark skin folks anyways, idk about Chinese though
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Husnain Ahmed Anos atrás
Babes & Board Games I dont think black British citizens would like being called fake British lol
Brandon Hernandez
Brandon Hernandez Anos atrás
I find it interesting that in here you mention that Isildur is going to be the main character of the show, but it has become more of a Galadriel show after the fact
Rockerboy Rage
Rockerboy Rage Anos atrás
Isildur's death is MUCH better here than what was seen in the film. I really like the part when the great burdon was lifted when he lost the One Ring and how the Orcs flee in fear whilst shooting Isildur with poison arrows.
BitBanger 6 meses atrás
I know I'm late to the party here, and correct me if I'm wrong, I could have sworn that I read somewhere (was it in The Unfinished Tales?), that part of the reason Isildur was travelling to Rivendell was to hand over the ring to the Elves. I think he had realized the ring had an unnatural hold on him and he was ready to put it into the care of the wisest people he knew.
AdeptKing Anos atrás
It is nice to know that Isildur did intend to give the ring up and that he wasn't kind of weak like the movies portrayed him.
Anakin Skywalker
Anakin Skywalker 5 meses atrás
He wasn't weak in the movies. Elrond brought Isildur into the Cracks of Doom, where Isildur would refuse to destroy the ring. No one was able to destroy the ring willingly.
connor gray
connor gray Anos atrás
I find it very interesting isildurs death is very similar to boromirs, he does something terrible and betrays his friends(in isildurs case he abandons his son and his men) then later snaps out of it and repents, only to be shot by arrows from orcs. I don't think Tolkien did this by mistake either, a few cases you can see similarities in 1st/2nd age with the 3rd age
Mitch Bennett
Mitch Bennett Anos atrás
I'd really like to learn more about Cirdan, and he shows up in a lot of stories on your channel. What about a deep dive on him?
Marcus Hicks
Marcus Hicks Anos atrás
By the end of the 3rd age, Cirdan was the only person in Middle Earth who could probably have pointed out where Cuivienen had once been (ironically, I think it is somewhere pretty near to where Mordor would later be. As Mordor occupies the location where the inland sea of Helcar once was).
Hadian Anos atrás
@Marcus Hicks Cirdan not alone in end of third age, there still legolas thranduil celeborn and other, and he sail to the west with celeborn, and they are the last ship who sail to the west
Dumb B0i
Dumb B0i Anos atrás
@Marcus Hicks I’m glad u brought this up, because there is something I’ve always thought about. Is it possible that Barad dur was built on the foundations of the lamp that was once located there? Or even that Mt doom took the lamps place? Those two are probably too far south, but I always thought it would be cool.
ofek tsoref
ofek tsoref Anos atrás
@Hadian nope ... Legolas is pretty young for an elf. Thranduil is presumebly not even 5000 years old by the time of the war of the ring. By the start of the second age, Cirdan is already the oldest Elf to live in ME. Not even Elrond is as old as him
Marcus Hicks
Marcus Hicks Anos atrás
@Hadian Nope. Both Thranduil & Celeborn were sired *after* the bulk of the elves originally headed to Valinor in the Ages of the Trees. Cirdan was with the elves who first reached the Western shores of Belariand.
The Aussie Teen
The Aussie Teen 3 meses atrás
Watching this after Lord on Prime, I don't mind either version of Isildur, both are really interesting characters and I cant wait to see how the next seasons of the show play out.
Wayne Purcell
Wayne Purcell Anos atrás
I wish Jackson had put the battle between Gil-Galad, Elendil, and Sauron in the film prologue. That would have been so much cooler.
1747CT Anos atrás
At least in the extended version
rburk854 Anos atrás
it would also make the part where Sauron is reaching for Isildur make more sense, because we would have just seen him do the same thing to Gil-galad and set him on fire
Marty Robbins
Marty Robbins Anos atrás
It certainly was filmed as some rare images confirm, just it seems never edited or included in any version. Such a shame
psycho Anos atrás
@rburk854 we Migth see that the Amazon series
ABHI RAI Anos atrás
Thanks for this channel. Its very important for these beautiful stories to be kept for the coming generations ❤️🙋🏻‍♂️
Nina Singh
Nina Singh Anos atrás
Using the Isildur painting of him with the fruit as the icon is apt bc it feels like he constantly has to carry around seedlings in case of a tree emergency.
kayskreed Anos atrás
Elrond would have allowed them to cover more ground in years for sure, but Isildur makes for a nice choice in terms of a tragic hero. I'm most interested to see how the life and downfall of Numenor are interpreted. Maybe we'll also get a proper battle between Elendil, Gil-Galad and Sauron as well. A Gollum cameo at the end maybe? Who knows.
nilocblue Anos atrás
Not sure if everyone heard this or not, but apparently for the upcoming show for LOTR on Amazon Prime, they invented a character, Elendil's sister. I'm betting she's gonna be a strong female character, maybe like Eowyn.
Kasper Salonen
Kasper Salonen Anos atrás
Wonderful work once again and thank you for the news! My pet peeve will always be that Isildur is pronounced with the stress on the first syllable (ISildur) not on the second (isILdur), but I bet there will be variation in the show from actor to actor :D
Biggie biggie biggie
Biggie biggie biggie 6 meses atrás
He will now forever be remembered as a stable boy.😢
Alexandre Ferdinand
Isildur is a great character, worthy of adaptation. I'm just so confused about the timeline of this series. Either it's going to jump around between thousands of years or it's going to disregard canon. I don't see a third option.
Aldariel Anos atrás
LOTR was 20 years or something like that. They made it into a year. They will probably shrink time like in the movies.
Alexandre Ferdinand
​@Aldariel I understand why they didn't acknowledge the seventeen year passage in the film, as it wasn't necessary to do so. And the Two Trees appearing in a prologue or flashback would make sense. But Isildur dies well over a millennium and-a-half before Hobbits begin settling into The Shire, so I don't see how they plan to canonically reconcile those two things.
Niccolò Gregorutti
@Alexandre Ferdinand they will probably show hobbits wandering around middle earth,not specifically settling in the shire,I am more worried about other things,galadriel as a child,finrod who had nothing to do with numenor except for helping one isildur's forebears for a little time.Also the presence of Isildur from episode 3 means that they will probably skip the forging of the rings of power,the first war between sauron and the elves and the numenoreans starting to settle in middle earth
WV Hoi Polloi
WV Hoi Polloi Anos atrás
I dont think Isildur is the main character. I think FoF is way off here.
Alexandre Ferdinand
@WV Hoi Polloi Entirely possible. There's incredibly little in the way of concrete information regarding such an expensive and high-profile production.
AngryPotato Anos atrás
8:40 3 years, whoa, I just realised there were large hosts of armies having to stay, sleep, eat and work around Rivendell for 3 years! (just imagine the trouble of whoever was responsible for food supplies of Imladris!) Similarly with a 7-years-long siege of Barad-Dur. In text these are just some numbers, one sentence, but in "reality" years of strange life in the field...
Behzad Yaghmaeian Salmani
love your videos and summaries of Tolkien's legendarium! keep up the good work!
Myriad Media Musings
Myriad Media Musings 5 meses atrás
An interesting What If scenario would be what if Isildur survived the Gladden Fields, with him not meeting the party of orcs and managing to escape to Rivendell but still losing the Ring.
Dionysus026 Anos atrás
Having Isildur in the Prime series is awesome in itself.. Unfortunately, I’ve read on multiple occasions that the makers of the series did not stay true to the Lore, like Isildur having a sister and things like that.. I really hope this turns out to be incorrect rumours rather than foresight.. I really would hate to be put off by too many changes in the Lore, that it would make me quit watching the show..
Sascha Anos atrás
that's about two or three seasons worth of storyline. the first season is probably all of the events leading up to the fall of numenor and the founding of gondor, judging by the current synopsis of the show, and the second season about the aftermath up until the ring is lost. i'm actually really excited to see the fall of numenor, with a budget that big it has to look absolutely amazing!
DOC FADA1 Anos atrás
I have always held this view of yours about Isildur he is one of the greatest Numenoreans to ever live however you know how it goes like the saying"you do good twice nobody remembers but just do bad once noone forgets" great video as usual!
dementus420 Anos atrás
Oh, how I love this intricate fantasy story building and "ancient" lore. All the names and lands just do something to my mind on a fundamental level. I have a theory that some people are genetically inclined to enjoy detailed fantasy type stories. From my perspective I'm wondering how anyone, given a proper chance, could not appreciate and enjoy it. There are people who are simply not intelligent enough to be able to get fantasy type stories, but there are also some who aren't unintelligent that can go into a theater and watch The Fellowship of the Rings, for example, and come out completely unimpressed and seemingly unchanged by the experience. I have a hard time with this because I'm thinking "did you actually watch and listen or did you actively try to tune it out so that you can keep saying to yourself that you are one of those folks who "just don't like fantasy"? I think we would all be better off if everyone was able to enjoy it.
Gary Twinem
Gary Twinem Anos atrás
Some people have more imagination than others, that's all.
King Théoden
King Théoden Anos atrás
This was great video, I didnt even know couple of the things about Isuldur. Overall I think, if showmakers will carefully place all the characters, including Isildur, and places into the time frame it could work nicely. There's a lot of material in Tolkien's universe that could be done into show, I can even imagine every season to be about different time period, for example. I am, however, mentally preparing myself that the show will feature modern things like sex scenes, gore and all that, which was not something Tolkien would write about a lot since the books were simply product of its time, but nowdays to keep people watching it needs to be engage that way I think. So Its not gonna be simple vanilla clean PG13 good vs. evil but more realistic take with gray moments and characters, more like Game of Thrones.
Hefaj 11 meses atrás
That story is so good, hope someone will make tv series of that
Travis Cummings
Travis Cummings 5 meses atrás
Isildur is proof of the saying, "Reputation takes a lifetime to build, and only seconds to destroy." He may have done heroic deeds, but he'll forever be known for his greatest failure.
TheCpt Anos atrás
Fun fact, Gimli is the only person in the entire world of middle earth to actively, willingly and intentionally try to destroy the ring.
TheDeadlyKnight Anos atrás
Love this. This man is one of the greatest heroes of Men in the legendarium but gets a bad rap for his mistake w/the One Ring
patg148 Anos atrás
Well look what his weakness caised
Gigi Quillian
Gigi Quillian Anos atrás
People can always name your failures but seldom your successes. True then as today.
patg148 Anos atrás
@Gigi Quillian well, yeah.
TheDeadlyKnight Anos atrás
@Gigi Quillian I have a soft spot for well-meaning Men of Action, even when they screw up. No surprise, I’m a big fan of Turin Turambar also
Ambrósio Giovanni
Ambrósio Giovanni Anos atrás
@patg148 Lol, Tolkien himself said that no one could throw the one ring in the fires of mount doom willingly. Isildur wasn't weak. For all his drama, even Elrond wouldn't be able to do that.
Alessandro Perri
Alessandro Perri Anos atrás
I always asked to myself: if Isildur was alone in his last moments, and the body was never found, how can the elves know exactly how the story went? Ahahha
Meduseld Tales
Meduseld Tales Anos atrás
Unfinished Tales says it's based on assumptions and the fact that Gollum found the Ring from the river.
Tony Baker
Tony Baker Anos atrás
Also its even hinted that Saruman knew and found evidence of Isildur having been there. His armor possibly and the Elendilmir.
Alessandro Perri
Alessandro Perri Anos atrás
And how about the arrows? One in the throat and one in the chest? That's totally made up by them. This is like like a mythology poem. Partially real, partially legend.
dlevi67 Anos atrás
@Alessandro Perri Why does that surprise you in Tolkien? That's exactly what he set out to write...
Sweetchillyphilly C
Sweetchillyphilly C 18 dias atrás
Do you think the deep coma/ injuries to isldur is being portrayed in the rings of power with the whole mt doom eruption? He could awaken scared and burned and eventually go back to a corrupted numenor?
Isidore Anos atrás
It's interesting to see and learn of the valor of the Dunedain.
Johnny 94
Johnny 94 Anos atrás
Could Isildur destroy the ring if he knew Sauron's spirit had endured? Maybe he would not hesitate so much
Glorfindel Anos atrás
It's kinda sad that Isildur's one mistake has so much of a impact in the lore
Not Me
Not Me Anos atrás
Watching all these "Life of" and "Travels of" videos I think it would be a great idea to make a "Travels of the One Ring" video from start to finish.
Evan Pearce
Evan Pearce Anos atrás
Didn't Saruman find Isildur's body since he had his Elendilmir in Orthanc? Also, Isildur's story is really sad. I've never thought about how tragic his death was.
Bjornibjorn Anos atrás
This happened much later. I assume he would have found only remains. His body would prob be lost to the times.
DamonNomad82 Anos atrás
He at least found the original royal circlet Islidur had been wearing when he died. The later Kings of Arnor had a copy made to replace it, so Aragorn ended up having two of them after he visited Orthanc and found the original in Saruman's treasury, which also included a slot intended for the One Ring, if Saruman had been able to get that.
Genesis Dizon
Genesis Dizon Anos atrás
Saruman never found Isildur's body. Only the Elendilmir.
John Mooers
John Mooers Anos atrás
From Unfinished Tales.... "But King Elessar, when he was crowned in Gondor, began the re-ordering of his realm, and one of his first tasks was the restoration of Orthanc, where he proposed to set up again the Palantir recovered from Saruman. Then all the secrets of the tower were searched. Many things of worth were found, jewels and heirlooms of Eorl, filched from Edoras by the agency of Wormtongue during King Thĕoden's decline, and other such things, more ancient and beautiful, from mounds and tombs far and wide. Saruman in his degradation had become not a dragon but a jackdaw. At last behind a hidden door that they could not have found or opened had not Elessar had the aid of Gimli the Dwarf a steel closet was revealed. Maybe it had been intended to receive the Ring; but it was almost bare. In a casket on a high shelf two things were laid. One was a small case of gold, attached to a fine chain; it was empty, and bore no letter or token, but beyond all doubt it had once borne the Ring about Isildur's neck. Next to it lay a treasure without price, long mourned as lost for ever: the Elendilmir itself, the white star of Elvish crystal upon a fillet of mithril that had descended from Silmarien to Elendil, and had been taken by him as the token of royalty in the North Kingdom. Every king and the chieftains that followed them in Arnor had borne the Elendilmir down even to Elessar himself; but though it was a jewel of great beauty, made by Elven-smiths in Imladris for Valandil Isildur's son, it had not the ancientry nor potency of the one that had been lost when Isildur fled into the dark and came back no more. When men considered this secret hoard more closely, they were dismayed. For it seemed to them that these things, and certainly the Elendilmir, could not have been found, unless they had been upon Isildur's body when he sank; but if that had been in deep water of strong flow they would in time have been swept far away. Therefore Isildur must have fallen not into the deep stream but into shallow water, no more than shoulder-high. Why then, though an Age had passed, were there no traces of his bones? Had Saruman found them, and scorned them - burned them with dishonour in one of his furnaces? If that were so, it was a shameful deed; but not his worst. (Unfinished Tales) Given the length of time between Isildur's death and Saurman's scavengers recovering the Elendilmir and ring case, it's likely Isildur's bones had fully dissolved. The river water was shallow, relatively warm, and full of wildlife that would assist in decomposition.
Ender Riderone
Ender Riderone Anos atrás
I always loved the olifant scene and would love to watch a video about them!
A C4th
A C4th Anos atrás
Makes sense. Loved the Idea of Elrond being the main character giving how important he was in multiple ages and how integral his bloodline/lineage is but knew he wouldn't be as I knew it would have to be a Human as the Main Character cause that's how these things go. With that knowledge I had my fingers crossed it would be his Brother instead and then they would have quite abit a riggle room and creative licence given there's not much written about him but then I thought that would be too courageous of them and they'd probably go with someone fans of the Films would of heard of so narrowed it down to Isildur or Elendil and hoped they would be brave and make it Elendil but alas it's Isildur..... still cool but a little disappointing considering all the other far more powerful and interesting people it could've been. Let's hope they don't focus too much on him and put a lot of time and energy into other characters as well. Still very excited for the show but for me the world it's set in just got alot smaller, which is probably the goal as I Imagine it would of been too hard to make otherwise.
Joey BoX0RoX
Joey BoX0RoX Anos atrás
Great choice to have Isildur star in the Amazon series. Thank you Matt!👍👍
Paan Arzim
Paan Arzim Anos atrás
Isildur depicted in the fan art 0:20 and 18:28, is the most charming. Got that youth, bravery, and hotness blend in together. Am glad you chose this particular potrait as the 'avatar' whenever you want to feature Isildur's journey in the map. 👍🏻
Julia Henriques
Julia Henriques Anos atrás
Isildur is such a great high risk, high reward choice. So hard to do, but with so much dramatic potential. I'm rooting for the show more than ever now.
Bjornibjorn Anos atrás
What of the idea of black hobbit in the show? What do you think of that?
Enerdhil Anos atrás
Yes. Isildur should be a star in the last 2-3 seasons. For 5 seasons?! No way.
Hanitcal69 Anos atrás
After 5 episodes of the show, I think it would be a lot better if isildur had turned out to be the main character
Jamus Treanor
Jamus Treanor Anos atrás
He may still. They spent a billion dollars on this show. It's going to be more than a couple seasons.
joshup Anos atrás
Bro I'm confused did they change the story around or does all this happen after rings of power
Jamus Treanor
Jamus Treanor Anos atrás
@joshup this is an adaptation. A reimagining. It's based on Tolkein's writings, but it doesn't exactly follow his story.
joshup Anos atrás
@Jamus Treanor I gotcha because I'm like the island is still there
Jamus Treanor
Jamus Treanor Anos atrás
@joshup well the island doesn't sink until after farazon takes over. He hasn't taken over yet. And this is the first visit to Middle earth of the Numenorians. They'll go back again later. But yeah, big time crunch. The timeline is all messed up.
By far the best Tolkien channel in BRvid! Great video!!👏👏👏 Keep up the good work!✌
Cameron Crawford
Cameron Crawford Anos atrás
I think that I would have preferred either; 1. Elrond and Elros as the main characters to show their respective perspective s as an elf and a man over long periods of time, since even though Elros chose the gift of man, he still lived a very long time. In addition it could be a way to help explain why Elrond was so hesitant to allow Aragorn to marry Arwen. Besides him no longer being able to see Arwen when she passes on, he has watched the legacy of his brothers kingdom decline, and the race of men falter time and time again... or # 2. Possibly a too difficult and ling story of Feanor and the journey of the Noldorin from Aman to Middle Earth in pursuit of the Silmarils.
Woodworking Photo
Woodworking Photo Anos atrás
One of your best videos to date. You are a fantastic narrator, could listen to your videos all day, and I often do!!
Nerd of the Rings
Nerd of the Rings Anos atrás
Thanks so much!!
Michael Peace
Michael Peace Anos atrás
Going back and listening to this remembering the hopes that Isildur would be the main character of the rings of power series… Ha boy were we wrong.
Bogdan Dascal
Bogdan Dascal Anos atrás
Nice video and well explained! Loved it!
Philip Callado
Philip Callado Anos atrás
If this series is done well, it could be pretty damn epic.
Nerd of the Rings
Nerd of the Rings Anos atrás
A troutflycrazy
A troutflycrazy 10 meses atrás
Its so easy to dismiss Isildur as being weak for not destroying the ring but there were v few who could have resisted the corruptable power of the ring, even frodo and bilbo where somewhat taken by it .
Gary Twinem
Gary Twinem Anos atrás
I never understood why the One Ring would abandon Isildur, a powerful, influential king of Men. I would've thought it would have been its greatest chance to return to Sauron.
Billy Chops
Billy Chops Anos atrás
Honestly I’m so confused about the prime show, I think a great main character would have been an elf as they do not age (or at least not like us) and Isildur had the greatest son in the world I swear
Z Wichert
Z Wichert Anos atrás
Agreed. Would have thought they'd have mined the depth of storylines that is The Silmarilion rather than pick one character and a couple decades to focus on.
vaahtobileet Anos atrás
@Z Wichert they don't have the rights for The Silmarillion, I think. I think they only have the rights for the appendices, basically.
Chris Miller
Chris Miller Anos atrás
I think it makes a lot of sense, he is closer to the action following the fall of Numenor than the alternatives. I think there will be a large ensemble feel to the show though and even if Isildur is the 'main' character others such as Elrond, Elendil and Gil Galad and Cirdan will have fairly sizable roles too. I would like to see the series to start before Isildur with the forging of the rings of power, Sauron's war on Eriador and the coming of Tar Minastir. Unfortunately I suspect this may be combined with the coming of Ar Pharazon and the timeline shortened drastically. Or it will likely be condensed into a prologue neither option would fully satisfy me
dlevi67 Anos atrás
Yep. Another vote here for the creation of the Rings and the War on Eriador.
Cara Anos atrás
I'm new to all of this lore from LotR, just want to see how different the TV show actually depicts Tolkien story...
SheilaMS Anos atrás
I don’t think Isildur should be the main character. I think Elrond would be a better choice. His life would open up more storylines. JMO.
Valentin Kambushev
Valentin Kambushev Anos atrás
For me this project was doomed in the moment when I heard those two words "black" and "hobbits".
Ener Lal
Ener Lal Anos atrás
@Valentin Kambushev You do realise that the Harfoots Hobbits are described in Tolkien’s work as having brown skin.
Valentin Kambushev
Valentin Kambushev Anos atrás
@Ener Lal that's not the point. Hobbits don't appear until the Third age .
Ener Lal
Ener Lal Anos atrás
@Valentin Kambushev If it’s not the point why did you say that this project was doomed when you heard the word “black”. Also, we don’t know if Hobbits were in the 2nd Age. Tolkien’s works say their origins are unknown but they founded the Shire at the start of the third age. This would imply they existed before the third age. So you don’t need to be worried about there being black hobbits.
Valentin Kambushev
Valentin Kambushev Anos atrás
@Ener Lal honestly what infuriates me the most is that the actor said that "there isn't enough black hobbits" why do we need black hobbits?!
Cascade Detergent
Cascade Detergent Anos atrás
It seems like Elrond is the main charachter so far in the Amazon show. Remains to be seen but he is quite prominent
David Kelly
David Kelly Anos atrás
I think that Isildur is the best idea as it will tell a different tale of the history of the ring.
Max Mercer
Max Mercer Anos atrás
I wonder what powers a Numenorean like Isildur would have if they wielded an elven ring of power
Emmanuel Saldana
Emmanuel Saldana Anos atrás
nice to hear that Isildur will be the main character of the upcoming series. hope this will exceed the expectations of lotr fans. can't wait for it!
Ernesto Carloz
Ernesto Carloz Anos atrás
I don't have much hope for that project.
Mithrandir 94
Mithrandir 94 Anos atrás
You do such a wonderful job with your videos! 💚 BTW please give cirdan a video please would love to learn more about him. ❤️‍🔥
Wesley Canner
Wesley Canner Anos atrás
This kind of narrative is exactly what makes Tolkien's writings so incredibly powerful. Such a deep exploration of how complicated historical figures can be, and how one failure can define the image of a ruler. Nothing is simple and no one is perfect in history, and Tolkien can't be touched depicting this principal.
jentree2013 Anos atrás
While watching the Fellowship of Fans video on this, I heard it said more than once by the participants of that livestream that the news they could report is that "...Isildur will be ONE OF the main characters." I don't remember them ever putting it any other way... so I took it to mean just what they said, "one of the main" -- I did not get an inference from them that he was THE main character. Did anyone else hear "ONE OF the main" like me, or was there a point in that video where they did say "the main character" and I missed this? (Easy to go and check by replaying the FoF video, I guess..." ;) thnx
Nerd watch 101
Nerd watch 101 Anos atrás
Man after the battle at Minus Tirith in the war of the ring. If I was Aragorn I would have ideas drawn up with ways to have large parts of the mountain carved out to keep those in the city a safe place to hid if the city’s ever attacked again. But also have high areas of the mountain made into launching platforms that send big round stones down large smooth shoots that act as covered catapults hidden inside the mountain so an Air Force can’t take out the launchers
Roger the Shrubber
Roger the Shrubber Anos atrás
That was quite a trick for Sauron to go from prisoner of war to chief advisor to the King, in a single year...
Nate Klein
Nate Klein Anos atrás
Hmmm, while I agree with your video on why Elrond would be the best main character... I think Isildur is a good close second... Because I think his character is the one that needs the *most* rehabilitating after the film series...
jeremy howard
jeremy howard Anos atrás
Nice video. How did the stewards get the throne from Aragon’s family? That would be a cool video!
Adam Funk
Adam Funk Anos atrás
I was hoping for earlier in the Second Age where we could see Numenor in it's glory.
dlevi67 Anos atrás
Isildur was born in Númenor - and although morally decayed, Númenor would have been at its grandest and richest under Ar-Pharazon.
WV Hoi Polloi
WV Hoi Polloi Anos atrás
I'm still hoping for a series around the creation of the rings in Eregion and Sauron's war against the Elves.
Hanz Zimmer
Hanz Zimmer Anos atrás
@WV Hoi Polloi that's what I thought season 1 would be
culturecoroner Anos atrás
@dlevi67 Sounds like today’s world to me.
Vickie Littleton
Vickie Littleton 11 meses atrás
It's pretty darned glorious.
Rursus Anos atrás
Only thing I think is odd here (orcs and trolls occur in real life too), is how a scroll can be preserved for 3000 years.
Jose Austin
Jose Austin Anos atrás
Does anyone know when the series is going to officially start I am so excited about this
Luis Granillo
Luis Granillo Anos atrás
The art and lore is just so fascinating
HoO 9 meses atrás
Imagine being Isildur at the moment of Sauron's fall. This Maia has been responsible for the death of his father and brother, for the ransacking of his city of Minas Ithil, and the corruption and destruction of his homeland Númenor, as well as the sacrificing of so many Faithful and innocent Middlemen to Morgoth, not to mention the separation of the Blessed Realm and the reshaping of the entire Universe *exclusively* to Mortal Folks. We know the One Ring works with people's worst traits, strengthening them to corrupt the person. I'd say in Isildur's case, his worst trait would be his terrible wrath, which we see an example of when he curses the Oathbreakers. Both in the Oathbreakers' case and in the taking of the Ring, he is well justified for his deeds, but while with the Oathbreakers it eventually proved beneficial for everyone, including the Oathbreakers themselves since they got the chance to redeem themselves, keeping the Ring wasn't good for anyone, and in the end it only gave an advantage to the enemy that he so (rightfully) despised. And Elrond and Cirdan knew it was a bad idea to keep it, but at that moment, Isildur would have been so enraged, I'd say for their own sake they shouldn't have even suggested destroying the Ring. Imagine how tragic that moment was for both of them: this noble and brave Man, who has lost and willingly sacrificed so much for the sake of the World, snapped post-battle and literally defiled the still-living body of a Maia to steal his enchanted Ring, thinking he had claimed his revenge for hundreds of years of despair and grief. And eventually only to get himself and his sons brutally murdered because of that very same Ring. It's honestly such a cruel fate; Isildur got done like Sauron's toned-down version of Túrin.
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