I'm the same as Jackie, very introverted. I dont like small talk at all but I am intrigued by meaningful, deep conversations. I can come off as standoffish and its hard because thats who I am. But I relate to people differently. I enjoy deep connections, not frivolous conversations that mean nothing, so its hard for me to relate to most people.
I’m not at the same level of notoriety as y’all but I relate to this so much. I’m naturally an over sharer but I’ve realized that I can’t do that on social media. I just can’t. I sacrifice too much privacy, vulnerability, and space for authenticity. And it’s made me realize that I was actually looking for close community and was unhealthily fulfilling that through my online presence. I’ve come to my conclusion, through prayer, that the content I post will be specific to my niche on the internet; and unless there’s a personal life update that affects that, I only want to share my life with those close to me in real life. That’s not to say that your community can’t be online; it totally can - but only certain people can be awarded that intimacy in my opinion. I gave it up so freely and it set unhealthy boundaries between myself and my audience. I imagine the line y’all walk is so much thinner because your content is very intimate, personal, and transformative. I’m not sure what the solution is, but I’m sure the Lord will lead y’all in it. Thanks for the great podcasts 🙏🏿
@Pearl Ivory Wow, I like your comment- especially about waiting to let people know you can sing. That’s a thoughtful strategy for a new environment and makes sense to gauge interactions. If you don’t mind sharing, did people change a lot toward you? Were you able to keep connections you initially made before revealing? Also, something I’ve been generally processing over the years (not directed to your comment)… if we have certain gifts/abilities, is hiding parts of who we are then being our authentic selves? I understand there’s a level of boundaries needed to discern true intentions, but if we present our whole selves (within reason) won’t that draw people attracted to who we really are? Yes, it may also draw those who want to use or exploit, but is holding back attractional aspects due to what we may have to deal with a good thing? Or is it a call to grow and manage ourselves and our understanding/outlook/lives/boundaries better? Or something else? Lol… sigh. I think a lot and this is a topic where I haven’t settled on an answer for myself yet. Thanks for sharing
Right?! Same!! I’m not famous lol but I’m a worship leader at my church. I spent the first year when I joined not letting people know I could sing because I knew the moment they knew… things would change. I can’t walk down the hall without having people approach me. I’ve purposely cut back on over sharing on social media too. I used to love posting everything because I literally would use my social media like it was a personal album haha. But now me sharing all my thoughts, opinions, and pics…. Knowing that I have a larger diverse pool of followers. I choose to pass lol.
I’ve being thinking about social media and how unnatural it is to have so much access to so many people at every time. It’s very strange and I know I should quit.
I love the way he finds himself loving her, was like a suprising moment, like loving her for the first time. That was so pure, only God can teach us how to love someone again everyday. God bless them.
Really loved this episode!! That contrast between Nebuchadnezzar & John the Baptist's approach to fame and who they chose to glorify 💯 "Celebrity" tends to place people on pedestals. Sometimes it even closely resembles worship. There's only one person who could ever truly handle worship, and it's not us...
The strangest thing about celebrity culture is how it bleeds into everything else. People have been given such a closeup of certain aspects of celebrities lives that they now feel entitled to all aspects of their lives. I will go even further to say that this entitlement has spilled over into regular everday life. Since many feel entitled to know the ins-and-outs of celebrities lives; they also feel entitled to know the ins-and-outs of the lives of neighbors, coworkers, parishoners etc. Its highly disturbing when you think about it. #NoBoundaries
I was so honored to take a pic with you at Glory Vegas, but I had asked first. You looked goodt btw, 4 kids where? Knowing that you're an introvert, I respect your boundaries. Also, I dont want ppl to just like me for my gifts either. Glory Atl you were pregnant you had your family there, so I didnt want to ask to take a pic. I dont just like you cuz you can preach real good. I like that you and your husband are real, your funny personalities, your family,your testimonies, which I can relate with. Jackie youre a black woman with locs, thats a whole testimony in itself. Didnt see that as much growing up. All in all, yea I be feeling like yall my cousins in my head🤣 ,but also respect yall and especially yall children.
Jackie is sharing a feeling that many experience… It is interesting how we feel the need to perform in front of people who fell in love with the true us that wasn’t performing.. she isn’t overly sweet or smiling or anything in the podcast unless there’s a joke so I wouldn’t expect anything different in person.. she is matter-of-factly. I appreciate Jackie’s transparency and to get anything else in person would be weird. Those who expect you to be diff than you are, were never fans to begin..
I once read an anecdote in a book about a younger pastor who was leading a growing church speaking to a more seasoned minister. The younger pastor attempted to explain why he could not stop his church from growing and the more seasoned pastor said simply, “stop adding chairs.” I think there is a principle there for Christian “celebrities.” They could ponder why and how and where a and in which ways they are put on pedestals or they they could just “stop adding chairs.” I could give a thousand examples of how they could do that in this current age, but I don’t want to make this post too long.
Prince did this well his entire career. His interviews were far and few between and only with people who he respected and who respected him. He shared about his gift of music openly but his personal life generally and vaguely. Enough to keep his fans intrigued and curious. Now that he is gone to be with the Lord, his music lives on and his personal life is still as intriguing in his earthly absence. Additionally his lifestyle was not like most celebrities. He was tucked away in MN rather tthan bustling cities where famous people usually live. Wise man.
I think, in a winny tiny way, certain professions also expose you inadvertently to the 'celebrity' culture. As a Christian and a professional in certain fields that the society considers dignifying e.g engineering, medicine(mostly where frequent day-to-day human interaction to make others more wholesome, healtheir, and happy), it takes discipline to let people see Christ through you, which is God's aim through your profession, before latching on images of celebrity of career achievements, whilst still maintaining the involved ethics. It could be a handful. Thank you for this Conversations The Perrys. It's a blessing!
This is good Aaron Carter has been heavy on my heart. I saw a interview where he was in so much pain and he was saying how being a celebrity was not a choice for him. So sad how we dehumanize people and how much suffering we can cause on another person.
I really appreciate Jackie’s transparency here. As an introvert I can completely get what she’s saying. I don’t know if she would consider herself an introvert or not…either way I definitely understand the feeling of being drained after a lot of social interaction. Great episode!
I was a chef at a very popular eating spot in my large city. I worked in an open kitchen so people saw me and everyday at worked people would praise my skills. Imagine having a job where people told you how wonderful you are. Then I came home to my life as a single mom of 7 children. That kept my feet to the ground.
This episode is a whole 5 sermons. I need to pause and digest!! I’m so glad there are couples and individuals like you in the kingdom. I honestly don’t know where else I would come across rich information like this.
Agreed, these guys are amazing! 🌟 I’d also love to submit to you, The Basement w/ Tim Ross. It’s a really down-to-earth channel that has helped me grow in my faith and biblical understanding.
Suprisingly, on a small level I can relate. Just being a Christian puts you in a place of having to feel like you have to perform. Being the daughter of a man who is influential in his circle does that too. For myself, all of y'all I watch I thank God for...however, y'all strangers. I feel no type of comfort coming up to a stranger for a convo or picture. I'll say hi with bright eyes and a great big wave...but that's it.
It is so hard to be somebody else. You both are so reflective of who God says we should be. Honest, open, and Authentic. Pray the Holy Spirit continue to use you both for His glory. I appreciate you both, blessings.
I've met celebrities and acknowledged them, if they were people I liked or followed, but I never go out of my way to take pictures or make them feel like they HAVE to do anything but exist in their space. I'm an introvert and I don't like people in my space, so I don't do it to others. I barely even take photos of myself, let alone a stranger, no matter how famous they are. They are people who need to feel comfortable. I treat people how I want to be treated and I wouldn't like that so I don't do it to them. It's creepy and dehumanizing and we would feel attacked if people did that to us.
I took a break from serving in my local church’s music ministry and it’s been the main way I’ve served for the last 15 years. I definitely struggled with not losing my identity as a Christian during this break, so this conversation was super relevant for me.
ur videos brought me back to youtube. i love ur talks and knowledge. i always feel filled to the soul & challenged to think bigger when i watch yall. god bless yall ❤❤❤
This makes me think of church and pastors. My church back home in Ohio, and others, pastor always has his crew around him, we stand in line to get up to talk to him after service etc…everyone trying to get there time….I thought was a normal thing. I live in Washington state now, big church as well but the pastor just walks amongst us, no crew…. No one is trying to get at him, no line to speak etc. so I understand the illusion. If you appear untouchable people are like going crazy but if you are just hanging amongst the people… your human
This is so good! I believe that, as Christian’s, we are called to be seen in some capacity. It will vary in different degrees for each one of us. But God has called us to be the light of this world, & a city on a hill cannot be hidden! We cannot remain in the background, we have to adjust to some sort of spotlight in our careers, communities & roles because we carry light in this dark world. 🙏🏾💫
I feel you Jackie! People expect you to be an extrovert with a ton of high energy all of the time. That’s just not reasonable, or even attainable in certain situations. The irony is that they want or need to extract that high-strung energy from you to make themselves feel better. It can be exhausting trying to appease people. Naturally, as humans we will always want more, so to what extent does it end? 🤷🏾♀️ I feel you girl. #triggered😂
Such a good conversation. I think when we attend conferences and events we need to make it our job to assume the best about everyone and that they have good intentions even if we don't get the greeting or picture we wanted. I think this will also help to reduce the stress put on those with influence and make them feel more comfortable to be themselves by meeting them where they're at, and showing grace and compassion. It also will remind us that we can show honor to people but we only worship Jesus.
Great talk! I am an introvert and excessive social interactions in large groups exhausts us, and we recharge best by being alone. Not bad, just different!
My God, Ta’Day!!! “I feel like I have to perform” is my life. Even hosting friends or family in my home. It’s exhausting. I, too, am a chill, laid back person and having people around for one periods takes a lot out of me. I feel you 💯!!
3 seconds in and when he said it reminds me of when I love you 😭❤️ sooo sweet and also I think about how god loves us even when we don’t have the best attitude! So sweet can’t wait to listen to all of this. Especially since I vlog, I’ve never even wanted to go viral because I know the fame would be awful for me.
I have given myself whole Minds trips and full-blown anxiety over trying to be enough for people. Whether it be being super friendly to each person because I don't want anybody to be left out, or always being the one to initiate plans, it is very wearing on a person. I do these things because I feel like it is the kind things to do, and then I find myself extremely exhausted by it. Especially when I found out with a lot of my friendships, if I didn't initiate, we weren't going to have plans. I also just try to be super friendly to anybody new at church because I know it's the right thing to do. Sometimes I think I'm trying too hard, it makes me feel really icky inside when I try too hard. I am an infp personality type. I can be very outgoing, but when that switch flips, it switched to the point where I don't want to talk to anybody. I still will because I know it's The Godly thing to do, but man it's very tiring and can really set me off balance. So yes I definitely have the same sort of irritability and mood things that happen because I may have over exerted myself. I have decided and I think it's the right idea, to be more genuine and less nice.
This is so spot on. I needed to hear this. I sometimes get nervous around more high-profile people, and I keep trying to tell myself, “We are both children of God!” 😂Everything you said helped so much, thank you.
We have the same personality. I’ve very relaxed and laid back and that’s commonly misinterpreted. It is certainly work to do those things so I’m not labeled negatively. And I see Preston’s point because I realized these people don’t know me. So at times I do have to go out of my way to show people who I really am.
It's problematic that with such greatness come such huge responsibility and that although we're apart of such a large family (the family of God) you can't really share yourself with everyone. But, it's so necessary because of the testimony you carry. The balancing act will be the hardest part. Keep up the great work!
I'm Jamaican and growing up culturally the reaction to " celebrity" is different. We don't like the feeling on a whole like ppl act like they are or feel like they are better than you. We look down on it. However I have noticed young ppl because of the influence of social media and US culture tend to idolise ppl who are well known. But celebrity homage in excess is idol worship.
Every word spoken here is refreshing and it feels so good to know that people out here get it. Sometimes it appears like no one notices this in church, yet it's everywhere. We should always remember that no one is more important or more valuable than another.
23:24 is the introvert struggle, speaking as an INFJ. 🙄 I worry about being this way at work as a receptionist sometimes. My "good morning" is majorly monotone but pleasant. On certain cheery days you'll hear an inflection but I cannot be consistent with a cheery disposition. It is draining because it is not me. I just be myself. If anyone takes offense at me being me, that's on them.
Great conversation! Chuck DeGroat's book is an excellent source on narcissism! It's crucial to have accountability in church leadership/pastor because the damage that's results from this psudeo-celebrity is dangerous!
I got see Jackie speak at the Gospel Coalition workshop, I think in 2017. My friend and I was so excited to see her but we didn’t approach her or talk to her just to respect her space.
So good, needed to hear and lean on this point of view,l. God brought it through you guys in a way that gave me peace. I've been concerned about the Church I currently attent, worried and having sone doubts about the Pastors, leadership and messages... I've needed help discerning, and this message just helped me a lot. TY 🙏
At first I thought this was apart of this new gen z social media generation, but maybe older folks are like this too? It’s funny because my mom was very adamant about not letting me look up to celebrities. She wouldn’t let me buy magazines or cd’s unless it was gospel. I remember saying raven symone was my role model and she said “why, you don’t know her” that stuck with me! Haha.
🙏🏽Thanks Perry’s! This is a question I’ve often thought about. We as a ppl, turn it on when the light is on us… intentionally or not, we shine for others More, then shining for God!
So true! And some social media influencers who share so much of their lives have said things like “you don’t know me”, which is false, we do know them but they don’t know us.
To the Perry's. Amongst thanks and appreciation for this series and the enlightening conversation I'd appreciate a bit of guidance on this subject. When you wrote the "Adam and Eve" and the "one flesh" pieces, how did you get to a point of conscious confluence, I say to say, how did you get comfortable speaking authentically and openly and unafraid. How does one even begin to write someone else's story and not be objective and driven by self-perceived perspective?
I feel like celebritnism is the highest of people pleasing in away! To tie into what Preston was saying if your way of living is by your platform or your celebrity. That will start to pull at your authenticity! It’s reminds me of this scripture Mark 8:36! Eventually you have nothing left but your wealth & unhappiness…
I can relate to this. I’m not famous. But was an associate pastor at a large church. People knew my daughters name, knew my story, and thought they had a relationship with me. And now that I go to a smaller church people from my old church will come up to me. And I literally have no idea who they are. Super strange.
We are not celebrities we are just individuals doing the work of the kingdom of God or operating in the gifts and talents that God has given us for the world. Therefore we are not obligated to make others feel important because our service has been done and our lives are private regardless of the platforms that we use. In actuality is really a form of idolatry where they have made us into idols so now I believe that it is time for us to have honest conversation with people so they can understand the truth of their behavior because no one is obligated to do something that they are not comfortable doing whether it's taking pictures or holding a conversation because we still have rights and free will.
Great conversation, Ya'll ❤....I agree wholeheartedly, as children of God we must walk in Love & compassion🙌🏽 no matter the expression and gifts of God's favor in each life😍🤩. Also, healthy boundaries helps mature the individual in love, hopefully🥰. We are different but being redeemed & anointed in Jesus levels & elevates us👑 ✝️👑🕊!
But I still think I want us to be friends tho. 😂 I appreciate your transparency, and I thank the Lord that He uses unique people to do His work. Thank you both for being authentic
This was awesome! I think the celebrity culture tempts christians to be respecters of persons instead of focusing on serving and loving whoever God puts in our sphere of influence.
What's interesting is that I was right behind you all in a office in Oak Park some years back and I didn't say a word because I suspect that it gets old.
It's like going to corporate events...people have their own perceptions of what "engaged" looks like versus "disengaged"... I'm exhausted after in-person events because "I'm on" the entire time...being "on" is based on the audience's perception, not on mine; which has real ramifications for misconceptions... 🤷🏾♀️ I get it.
@Jackieperry, I'll speak for myself. Even not being in the posture of fame but having people pulling on me often, my faith in Messiah has given me permission to come and follow Him, learn from Him in the moment with my attitude. His yoke is easy and His burden is light if I come and learn from Him in the midst of my attitude, Holy Spirit has unlock awareness one step and moment at a time. YESHUA disappeared (stepped way) and sometimes on His way to connected with His Father. He had mindfulness that all His encounters were with a purpose never based on Yeshua understanding instead His Father's. Call it deep, but freedom in Christ is discerning when He release us from the overwhelmingness of people's demands and requests.
Yes and amen! No matter how good someone/something might be here on Earth, they can’t be God. We’re not designed to get our value from created things. We look for anyone/anything we believe makes us valuable because the human heart is an idol-making factory.
Blessings Family In CHRIST! Lol, so let me just get this out the way,,, how was this cast posted 2hrs ago, and the first comment says it was posted 7days ago Lmbo. I'm not tech savvy in the least, but that has me stumped. ANYWHO, y'all have truly become my favorite couple in ministry. Praise the Lord! I love the honesty, transparency, and diligence in holding All things to the standard of GOD and the Word of GOD. The very things y'all are discussing is the very reason I have not been on social media in over a year, and prior to that was on and off seasonally. So many people keep asking me to do a podcast, open a youtube channel, be active on the graham etc., and I'll admit there is a desire for me to get back out there and talk to the masses about God and the things we are experiencing in the world today, and how it lines up w Scripture. Yet I also have to admit, I Don't Want That Spotlight & Smoke Lmbo. So this is speaking to me deeply... An helping to direct my prayers & discernment. I appreciate you both tremendously! Blessings to y'all and your loved ones, in Jesus' name! 🙌🏾🙏🏾☝🏾💯
I think because I do follow you all and I get a sense of what you present to the world, it’s not a desire of mine to want to engage personally. I respect the persons you are.
So, as my friends in my head; you mean I can't invite myself to your house for Christmas?😁 on a serious note; this makes me think of Law God Gave to Israel through Moses regarding the prophet and a king. The boundaries God set, he knew the danger of position and power. Solomon's folly and David's folly they overstepped those boundaries. And Jesus never wanted to be seen or treated as a celebrity because he knew what was in the heart of man. His purpose and position was to do the will of God
a reminder that we are ALL just human beings living for God should humble every Christian “celebrity” but i really understand the annoyance where complete strangers will act like they know you because of social media. i love being able to reach out and become friends with people through social media but i deleted my platforms next month
I wonder if you have forgotten that Jesus went through a time where he lost the gift of privacy too...when the apostles all came back from the two by two and all he wanted was to have a meal. They had to send for his mother and brothers. He recovered but He was stressed iall the sam e. Everyone wants a part of you or do they only want to keep a memory of you and/ o the moment? You both are very gifted artists/ poets. You opened a new venue for Christianity. Fame is personal. Celebrity is universal. I understand that you two are private . By all means create a safety zone...so that you can come into peace...maybe a cabin or a beach or alot of movie stars went to Europe.
Tbh, I was not enthused about this. I didn't know what ya'll meant by inhumanity (in the title) and frankly I was uninterested in hearing you two talk about Kim K, Beyonce, and Kanye. BUT, God be using ya'll so I listened. And I'm glad I did ❤
