Rick's Rant Ep. 3 - Is It Worth It To Go To Music School?

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In my latest installment of Rick's Rants, we discussed how to make a living after graduating from music school, making money in the music business, promoting your music on social media, why Steve Albini didn't keep his royalties from Nirvana, can you make money as a songwriter in today's music economy, is it worth it to go to music school, how to get paid more as a sideman, the truth about studio internships!!



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Skatinima 5 anos atrás
To anyone considering going to college, but has to take a 5-figure or a 6-figure loan: Realize that you're not just taking a loan; you're signing a perpectual servitude agreement. You can't default on your loan; you're stuck with it. Think really hard before you take the loan.
Tobias Chisenga
Tobias Chisenga 7 meses atrás
Zambia 07hrs
kevin joseph
kevin joseph 5 anos atrás
twoc 5 anos atrás
6 figures on gear and a DeadMau5 Masterclass and I bet that's enough.
John Kimble
John Kimble 5 anos atrás
Exactly. Just spend those 6 figures on gear.
twoc 5 anos atrás
Also research your options. Studying abroad may cost a lot less money. But realistically, studying in the US but taking out less than a five figure loan? How is that possible?
Michael Soltesz
Michael Soltesz 5 anos atrás
If you can’t communicate with people, you can’t make a living. - Rick Beato Thank you Brother!
Bill VanDusen
Bill VanDusen 10 meses atrás
Yes. This is what held me back.
Bruce Wing
Bruce Wing 2 anos atrás
“People don’t pay you for what you know. They pay you for what you can convey about what you know.”
Roger Barraud
Roger Barraud 2 anos atrás
@Tito Santos The good news is: You can actively work on that. Suggestion: Go to some Meetups for stuff you are interested in, and just hang out and talk to people casually. When you fell confident enough, p=resent on something you are interested in or something you have done that is interesting. You'll be well on the way.
Dan Urech
Dan Urech 3 anos atrás
@Tito Santos im the same way
James Robledo
James Robledo 4 anos atrás
Chris 3 anos atrás
“If you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library.” - Frank Zappa
james Somerled
james Somerled 8 meses atrás
Wisdom there
Mephilis 78
Mephilis 78 Anos atrás
@Frank more like judaism.
Mephilis 78
Mephilis 78 Anos atrás
but Frank, I want both..... I guess there is a library at the college.....
Lavender Bee
Lavender Bee Anos atrás
LOL, of course Frank was a genius and in essence self-taught himself and was entrepreneurial.
NeoDasArts 2 anos atrás
@Emile Constance Yes ok I will I will go to college and I will do both.
AidanHodgesMusic 2 anos atrás
Everytime I watch a Rick Beato video, I feel like Im getting a music business education for free. Thanks Rick.
Gear Zen
Gear Zen 3 anos atrás
30 years ago I came very close to chasing the dream of a life in music. Seeing the current state of the industry, I am glad I went in another direction.
Diane Vanderlinden
Diane Vanderlinden 2 anos atrás
Yeah. I almost quit my government job ( years ago) when my band got a record deal. We had a death metal band during the heyday of Morrisound Studios. Lots of those musicians still had to have day jobs, even those in signed bands. In any case, glad I stayed with my job as we lost the deal. Music doesn’t have to be your ‘job.’ So much ego involved in that idea. Just make your music. Make art.
George Mason
George Mason 3 anos atrás
I’ve been working in studios and playing gigs for a living my entire life. And I never went to music school. But I grew up around great musicians. And they taught me. I think the best education in music is through private lessons with great teachers.
boblob2003 5 anos atrás
I always tell my kid, "never go to college where it costs more than you'll make when you get out".
TechTom 5 anos atrás
The problem with Jazz is, that you have to practise a very very long time, just to have the same size of audience at the end of your carrer, as you had at its beginning.
David Shaw
David Shaw 10 meses atrás
Jazz is music for musicians.
Don Smith
Don Smith Anos atrás
@Mephilis 78 I guess you are right about that, although some of the guys I have heard that literally are amazing come from pretty rural areas. I think Pat Matheny grew up out in the farmland. Steve Morse is another that comes to mind. Then you have these country players. While they might play pretty lame mundane stuff for whatever artist they get paid to support, they shred on their own. But it does seem that jazz is an urban thing by and large.
Mephilis 78
Mephilis 78 Anos atrás
@Don Smith Imagine how hard it is to find a jazz station when you are growing up in Nebraska..... Lincoln and Omaha aren't like the big cities on the coasts. They have a classical music station, a lot of pop stations, a station called Z-92 that can't decide if it wants to play brand new rock or old rock from the 70s, some standard classic rock stations, a modern rock station (yes just the one), a metric ton of mixed country stations, a handful of classic country stations. Oh and one spanish polka station. The only channel that plays anything outside the norm is the channel run by the college, and it plays mostly modern rock, unless there is a local band of another genre that they want to showcase, or a specific request.
Mephilis 78
Mephilis 78 Anos atrás
After all these years, Mom still comes to open mic night at the American Legion to see me....
Jeff Paris
Jeff Paris Anos atrás
Really phenomenal dissertation, Rick. You somehow went out on all the limbs and still kept it all glued to the center.
Adam Monroe
Adam Monroe 4 anos atrás
Sad truth is that If college professors knew anything about how to make a living from music, entrepreneurship, ect. they wouldn't be college professors.
randy chambers
randy chambers 11 meses atrás
That's too black and white.. Could it not be one"s gift or passion to be an educator? One that has music projects on the side. Also, not everyone is a performer. Just a couple examples.
Aaa Aaa
Aaa Aaa Anos atrás
In my experience, the Musicians who teach in colleges are among the most accomplished and do have a career outside of teaching. This can be easily explained as teaching at a college level is paid well even for their standards and the schools do have an interest in hiring people with some fame in order to attract more and better students (better reputation). Of course this does also mean that the people who get gigs as performers also get the good teaching jobs which further complicates the situation for the majority.
Markuson Anos atrás
@Dan Metallo Ya, no argument here. Just got me thinking is all. ;) Cheers.
Dan Metallo
Dan Metallo Anos atrás
@Markuson Not sure. Not a parent nor do I plan to be one. Heck, i haven't even been visiting Mr. Beato's page lately. I think Beato is no stranger to the charts... good for him... and he *definitely* know what he's doing when it comes to handling an axe. I think he gives hope to the hordes of struggling guitar players out there... kudos.
Markuson Anos atrás
@Dan Metallo Right. But how many Rick Beatos are there as a ratio of wandering “musicians” or wannabe engineers/producers? Point isn’t that it’s impossible…but that it’s WAY more difficult than parents paying tuition realize.
Chris 3 anos atrás
Someone asked Frank Zappa how he was so educated in music. His answer, the library.
𝕊𝕖𝕧𝕟 𝕁𝕒𝕞𝕖𝕤
@Rugby Elite13 the reference is music not charisma. What Frank learned can definitely be learned at a library. Had he been born a few decades later his answer would have been google.
Rugby Elite13
Rugby Elite13 Anos atrás
You definitely can't get what Frank Zappa had from a library lol. All ACDC had were 3 chords haha. You can't get charisma from a book
Memento Mori
Memento Mori 5 anos atrás
Wow Rick. Besides the fact that you understand music theory on such a high level and you know tons about production and the music biz in general; I really respect your intellectual honesty! (E.g. your comments on the Cash Me Ousside song).
Michael Seamans
Michael Seamans 8 meses atrás
I'm 4 years late but what Rick described is what I went through. I went to Mercy College for Music Tech and graduated in 2010. I learned Pro Tools, Reason, and Logic pretty decently (I knew a lot of shortcuts and understood how to mix pretty well) and learned how to mic up drums, guitar, bass, and other instruments (which Rick said Full Sail doesn't teach for some reason). Graduated with a 3.7 GPA. Interned at 2 studios (post and music studio) for 3 months each for free and all I did was make coffee and didn't help on any sessions, plus freelanced doing location and post audio for free on like 12 short films, and then did live sound at local bars below min wage or for $100 a night a couple times a month (basically as a sub). I couldn't get any steady freelance, part time, or full time work and I sent my resume to literally every studio, bar, and film studio I saw in NYC over 3 years. So after working for free or a very low rate which pays far below min wage when you look at my yearly income I got out of the field and went it IT. Best decision I've made! Believe it or not, A LOT of IT people that come from an audio engineering & music background go into IT. So skip Music school. Learn for free / low cost online courses on how to use the software (like Ableton, Pro Tools, and Logic) which I paid thousands and thousands of dollars for (which wasn't worth it) and do it as a side hobby in a home studio you can make for a small cost compared to a degree which does nothing for you or do youtube or make your own music.
Nick Carlson
Nick Carlson 3 anos atrás
Rick - an American living in Kazakhstan (+ 10 hours) i watch your stuff all the time. you've helped me to really appreciate a number of songs I've known for years. thanks for what you do
Ares Chuni
Ares Chuni 12 dias atrás
Cool. I also live in there
Rohan C
Rohan C 5 anos atrás
I'm in college for engineering right now (graduating next winter) and I routinely think about how much of a waste of time my degree is and how I should quit so that I can practice more. It's good to hear a pro's insight on this and comforting to know that even people in the industry also have many of the same frustrations that I do. Thanks Rick.
Roy Maya
Roy Maya 5 anos atrás
In a way this is kind of your best video, Rick. Lots of truths here that young people need to hear.
Gorilla Funk
Gorilla Funk 4 anos atrás
Music industry = EXPLOITATION. pure & simple. No wonder so many gifted artists become addicted to drugs. Trying to mend their broken heart & spirit.
szymbl 7 dias atrás
Everything he said, spot on. This is not just about college, he shares a lot of information about the music business.
Alberti Bass
Alberti Bass 5 anos atrás
Instead of paying a quarter million for an education that probably won't get you a studio gig, take 20 grand, find a basement apt in Brooklyn, go book 4 hours time in every studio in Manhattan, get the engineer to teach you ProTools, plug ins, signal flow, etc. (he'd rather do that than record your "shitty track"...believe me, that's what he's thinking,) be very charming and order sushi for the staff (they won't forget you,) introduce yourself to the owner or manager (after you buy the sushi) and leave your business card, telling him how badly you always wanted to work and learn in his amazing studio. Do this 6-10 times all over W.30 St., and you will get a studio job and you'll be working the console in 6-12 months. You are very welcome.
KT 3 anos atrás
You can buy online courses, books or even do tutorials from yt to learn music production
William Rumley
William Rumley 5 anos atrás
Ask Louis Rossmann how that worked out for him......
kevin joseph
kevin joseph 5 anos atrás
build a lil studio and charge money....beat em at their game
Captain Jack Aubrey of the Royal Navy
But that takes drive and people skills!
Tilley Road Affair Productions
I started a new life as a music composer at age 53.
Monoid 7 meses atrás
@Rugby Elite13 I am a 83 year old record producer, big in the EDM and Techno scene.
Rugby Elite13
Rugby Elite13 Anos atrás
How's it going?
Shane Dial
Shane Dial Anos atrás
Love it.
rain73ful 2 anos atrás
Good for you! It's never too late to learn something new!
Diane Vanderlinden
Diane Vanderlinden 2 anos atrás
I'll Be True-Official
I'll Be True-Official 4 anos atrás
I love it that Rick just tells it the way it is. The honesty and openness are so refreshing- even if it's sometimes hard to hear the truth, because he's fundamentally a warm and caring guy.
samantha collier
samantha collier Anos atrás
Why did it take so long for BRvid to recommend this video to me? (not as an ad, I am a Rick Beato follower for a long time). I have been searching for an honest and true opinion about music schools since the moment I decided that I want to study music production. Thank you! After watching this video I have decided to choose a more affordable school and focus more on putting my music out there. I really appreciate your willingness to share your experience to help young musicians ❤️
Jonathan Hesbol
Jonathan Hesbol 5 anos atrás
This is perfect and I wish I would have had this information in the 90s when I went to school. I did my Bachrlor’s degree in Classical Guitar at Indiana University. I was good enough to get into the school but not on scholarship. When I graduated I was utterly unprepared for the hard reality that faced me. I kicked around for a few years before going to Musician’s Institute in LA; an experienced which changed and defined my musical path. Wish I would have done that out of high school. Thank you for putting it out there!
dwodo21 5 anos atrás
This is invaluable information! This applies to many professions, not just the music business. Awesome ‘rant’!
Gx2 Mês atrás
I remember my first day at the conservatory I attended the instructor announced to a room full of new students, "only one of you will get a job". And then at the graduation ceremony, "by this time next year most of you will be flippin' burgers!"
Steven LeBeau
Steven LeBeau 5 anos atrás
In the late 2000s, I interned at a recording studio in San Francisco called Broken Radio--formerly Coast Recorders--on 10th and Mission for about three months. It was understood that I would not be paid, I was never offered studio time or the opportunity to work on projects, and worked my ass off sometimes 12 hours a day because I wanted to show my enthusiasm and work ethic. The studio owner made it clear that I would never be hired as an assistant engineer because he didn't want to take money away from his engineer friends. He also said he always kicks interns to the curb after three months because (in his words) "you can't be an intern forever." I went into that internship expecting that I'd learn by assisting in sessions, but instead, I basically helped them by pulling out fiberglass insulation and coming home every day covered in sweat and pink fluff. Why did I keep going if I knew I wouldn't get paid and wouldn't be promoted? Because like a lot of naive kids, I thought I could change his mind.
CCS Elementary Music
CCS Elementary Music 4 anos atrás
"Someone needs to die" true. Thank you for telling the truth, Rick. People need to hear this information. 5 anos atrás
Hey Rick! Thank you for honestly talking about music recording schools. That's why I made the site Don't Go to Recording School because the truth needs to be put out there. Thank you for saving people time and money.
BlackRoots UNLIMITED [Academy Of Soul]
I've always played by ear, self taught. However, I REALLY wish I could read Music. I think it's such an added bonus to one's Music abilities. Greetings from Uganda 🇺🇬👊🏿🖤
Gikas Markantonatos
Gikas Markantonatos 11 meses atrás
Your advice is 100% correct - I agonized not going to Berklee as a youngster, and becoming a CPA and computer programmer instead, at the insistence of my WWII and Great depression surviving Dad. Looking back. I never got to honk my horn or bang my drum all day, but I have a more than comfortable lifestyle, my kids grew up privileged, and as part time but reasonably good amateur, I got to play the music I wanted to, and not the music I had to.
Brian Daniels
Brian Daniels 3 anos atrás
Thanks for a great "RANT" video Rick on the pitfalls of going to school for a music degree and what you must do once you have that knowledge in order to succeed.I found it all very educational.I'm a 45 year old singer/songwriter and former heroin addict almost 5 years sober(on 9/16/19 it's been 5 years) coming to the end of my treatment and trying to do what I want with the second half of my life instead of working a job I can't stand to pay the bills.I've been in bands most of my life as a rhythm guitar player,lead vocalist and the main songwriter writing 95 to 99.9% of the material performed.During my whole life I have been recording myself on small analog and digital Tascam 4 and 8 tracks and have a great base knowledge of recording and mixing myself and have recently been considering going to school to get a degree in the music production and recording engineer fields for both my own music and to attempt to build a career in recording and engineering.However,after watching this video rant I am thinking since I already have some recording and mixing knowledge am I better off going to school for a business degree and just trying to teach myself what I don't know about production and engineering in a studio?The science of mastering is one of the things I also don't know alot about.Basically I need to learn the bigger equipment and spend some time with pro tools as well as the old analog machines.I know I don't want to be some studio head's errand boy and slave for nothing and not get to use any of the things I will learn in a music production and engineering course.Thanks for any feedback and your time as well as for this awesomely educational video,peace
Robert Vandenberg
Robert Vandenberg Anos atrás
Music schools are all so expensive yet the payoff is so little. It’s frustrating if you think about it.
Jesse Montano
Jesse Montano 3 anos atrás
I grew up addicted to music, lead singing, back up, lead guitar, writing, recording, gigging, so naturally i figured an audio engineering degree would be best. As it turned, NOT getting a degree in studio engineering was the best decision ive ever made.
T G 4 anos atrás
Man, I wish I had someone tell me this 25 years ago when I went to Full Sail. I would have had a more realistic idea of what I was getting into.
Apam Merlo
Apam Merlo 4 anos atrás
I was at Berklee but life had other plans. got sick and had to pull out. After seeing what my graduate friends are going through... and what my recovery journey lead me through, I would never go back. Not for that price. Bottom line is that you have to sit and do the work and practice, no one else is gonna do that and you might as well invest the time energy and money on finding a private tutor.
ZADRIAN 5 anos atrás
Rick Thanks for telling the truth about making a living in the music business. Ive been earning most of my living from music since i was 17 and im 39 now. I grew up in the 90's and many of my High school classmates went on to be pro musicians, touring, gigging, recording ... I have two friends who toured with beyonce and another two that are touring band members with 2 different major popular christian artist. Not to mention all the gigging musicians ive known that play jazz and all other styles. The other day i mentioned to my girlfriend that I was sitting and thinking about all the musicians that ive known in my life that are still playing and I couldnt think of a single one that is still surviving in this business as a full time player. Everyone here in Houston still has to teach, gig, work at a church, have a wife with a good job or be a computer programmer or have real estate rentals to survive comfortably living their dream. Most Houston musicians are employed at churches. I remember my friend posting a picture on his FB of himself playing a show in NY central park with thousands of people. That same month he told me he couldnt make the rent for the garage apt he was renting from me. Lol To all young musicians ... Good Luck!
Captain Kangaroo
Captain Kangaroo 4 anos atrás
I’ve been doing it for forty years. Thanks mostly to a very understanding wife with a great job.
John Martin
John Martin Anos atrás
Thank you. Unfortunately this scenario can be applied to way too many degrees of all types. As a signed and fired former artist getting fired was the biggest break I had in the music business. People need to know this is why concert tickets are so high. Pounding the road is the only money most artists get to keep. For now. I am hearing from people I still have contact with the labels are taking live performance money also. Despicable. Thank you!!!
foto21com 4 anos atrás
When I was college age, 4 years of private music school would cost 40k. That debt could be paid back. 400k will never be paid back, that's as much as a nice house, which will benefit your entire life long term. You can pick every single topic and get a tutor for it. $2600 will buy 26 lessons from a skilled professional, and you may be able to find cheaper from younger teachers. You can teach yourself mixing, and spend the money on gear, not education. BRvid is FREE education. Pay a tutor for the parts you can't put together.
Ishaan Saxena
Ishaan Saxena 11 meses atrás
@foto21com okay, yes. to all of that :p I guess I was just coming from a perspective that (a) formal education is really amazing and often hard to compare with (b) formal education right now is also unnecessarily expensive cause it is a heavily profit-oriented industry (unlike the rest of the community-based resources you mention). So while a music education is great, I agree that often it is not really worth it given how much cheaper and more readily accessible some of the other resources are.
foto21com 11 meses atrás
@Ishaan Saxena Certainly, a school environment helps with all the socialization and chances to meet musical collabs, but one can meet musicians other ways also. This is the one thing that sample jockeys will generally miss, though they deal with vocalists, so they have to learn that side. I think other than actual playing an instrument, competence in the studio matters, and software offers a lot, but it can't keep you from having to spend minimum 2 years to get somewhere with mixing. I graduated college but not in music. In my case, studio school would've helped me enormously. I learned it eventually, but it was a struggle. Anyway school with great teachers is unbeatable, I just don't know if it beats saving 200k and using that on specialized tutors and still going out and jamming with people. Bands and gear cost money also. Lots of bands didn't start in schools, though most band leaders achieve some level of education. When I've researched a top personal trainer, and paid the money, it's always been worth 10x what I got out of a classroom, because they assess where you are at, and give you a path to actually get better and maybe good.
Ishaan Saxena
Ishaan Saxena 11 meses atrás
@foto21com I completely agree with most of what you say. I would like to point out, that I was trying to derive worth solely from what you would learn (more structured learning process, better resources, more immediate help and collab opportunities). So in a sense, I do think it's worth going to college for the arts, and music, in that you learn so much more in a much more suitable environment for learning. I just generally hate the concept of having to pay (at least very very large amounts like here in the US) for education, so I hope that changes and it actually becomes more "worth it".
foto21com 11 meses atrás
@Ishaan Saxena A real education could be worth the 400k (not that number), but it really depends what comprises it, especially music and arts education. Art has to be a traditional route these days. Music is harder to pin down. People need to start on instruments long before college. College should adjust to the student and fill in gaps. Also depends what the goal is, and that has to determine the route. All I know is colleges aren't generating as many quality songwriters and performers as they should.
Ishaan Saxena
Ishaan Saxena 11 meses atrás
I hardly think this can live up to the music school education at 40k though. But happy to see we're getting closer to a point where free education matches, and even surpasses the educational industrial complex in it's quality.
John Campos
John Campos 9 meses atrás
As a music professional in NYC who has a degree in music, we have a saying here which probably dates me. With a degree in music and a token you can get on the subway. Love your content. New fan
Jelena Oberman
Jelena Oberman 2 anos atrás
Yes, yes, yes! When you go to music school you learn about discipline and respect for public. You learn how to practice, you learn how to think, you develope music taste, you learn how to understand music. There’s so much benifit one could never imagine. It’s not just the knowledge and the skill. I love that fact that my mother send me to a music school. ❤️
chris howell
chris howell 4 anos atrás
You could take like 10 years of very high quality private music lessons for 15k.
chris howell
chris howell 2 anos atrás
@Jason C. oh yeah?
Jordon Hams
Jordon Hams 8 meses atrás
I'll b honest, learning the real facts about the music industry/ being an audio engineer from u has been insightful yet incredibly depressing. I've always wanted to do something with music, whether it was my band or audio engineering etc. Now learning the straight facts about the industry, it really makes me feel there's no hope for me and I want to give up.
Ann E H-Lint
Ann E H-Lint 8 meses atrás
Yes, I hold 3 music degrees, not any regrets. School shaped who I am today.
EclecticHillbilly 5 anos atrás
Interns as slave labor really isn't exclusive to the music business.
WhoWouldWantThisName 3 anos atrás
They have always been unpaid positions, for the most part. The whole idea was for students to get hands on experience while in school so they would have some experience upon graduation. Some companies internships are more educational, in practical ways, and more valuable than the schooling. An internship at Amazon, for example, is very good to have on your resume because they actually do use you HARD and not just to fetch coffee. I know someone that did so as an accountant and she said she learned more in her first year with them than her entire four years of college, and she went to a major University. That got her a better job elsewhere then most of her peers have today.
MrDragoon334 3 anos atrás
Roy Maya it's actually illegal tho. People just don't know it.
Syrinx239 4 anos atrás
Few interns do slave labor. Students who are lucky enough to get them, though, have a hell of a lot better chance of getting a job after graduation. The internship is Rguably more valuable than the degree
Josh Charlat
Josh Charlat 5 anos atrás
It's par for the course in Italy. Criminal anywhere.
whiskey1bravo Anos atrás
I visited full sail 15 some odd years ago and after the tour & presentation it felt like what Ken went through was all I was going to get out of it, so I didn't go. BUT.. They did make a big deal about the networking opportunities, and Ken eventually met you, so it kinda worked out.
Bob Anos atrás
Just found this stream Rick. Your talk of needing to have a following to get signed makes sense. I believe without going on you tube with her covers, then doing her originals, we wouldn't have Dua Lipa to both ogle over or enjoy her voice and music, which I have since she was 1st singing and trying to get known over in England.
Mark McPeak
Mark McPeak 3 anos atrás
Thanks for exposing the reality of music schools and the post school job market.
ImSkydrop 3 anos atrás
Rick I found your channel due to the katy perry lawsuit but honestly, the way you're so forthright and down to earth brings a much needed perspective I feel more people should be listening to. Thank you for what you do.
Marty Winsch
Marty Winsch 5 anos atrás
Institutions of high learning are prohibited from educating students about the essential contributors to a successful career in music for two reasons. First, these institutions and the circulums are too large administratively hence they lack the capacity to react in a timely manner as market conditions change too quickly. They lack the capacity to continually educate the educators as the cheese is constantly in motion. By the time they role out the latest and greatest “techniques” the techniques have more or less become obsolete. Second, admitting the truth, as you’ve pointed out, about the lack of available jobs and the low probability of having a successful career in music devalues the value of their educational product. Therefore, it is in their best interest financially to hide the harsh reality of the business of music and instead play into the emotional side of the equation forgoing any intrinsic admittance. Keep up the great work Rick! You are doing great things here. Best, Marty
prism828 Anos atrás
@Rick Beato all true, mostly the second. I was in Admissions at some world famous art schools and Director at some not so famous ones. Some are extremely dedicated to developing students for the pro world, and their technology puts some pro places to shame. Kids get a fully loaded Wacom Studio computer when they enter. They have a lot of success, but still the education costs a fortune. But one of the biggest - by far - problems is when is an entrenched faculty who don’t want to update their skills, or think that teaching career based stuff is somehow demeaning to the ART. This is especially so in the fine arts, despite those fine arts profs making money off teaching. When I was a Director, I begged painting instructors to throw in a class on Photoshop, to use it is a production aid, so that kids could get digital skills that would complement their fine art pursuits. I begged the sculptors to do a class in a digital sculpting, which can lead to very well paying jobs in the animation and gaming industry. Absolute resistance. Now, all these same schools that resisted reality, merely to protect themselves and never have to learn something new, are dying or are dead.
Marty Winsch
Marty Winsch 5 anos atrás
Rick Beato Learned a bunch from you over the years brother. The folks who are tuning into you here are certainly receiving the best education available about the biz.
Rick Beato
Rick Beato 5 anos atrás
+Marty Winsch You are a smart man Marty!
Sal Mazzotta
Sal Mazzotta 5 anos atrás
Hey Rick! Been subscribed since you had around 60k subs. Finally got the chance to buy your book. Rick Rants are my new favorite pastime. They're better than almost every lecture I've had in 7 years of music school. Thanks for always delivering great content.
KipIngram Anos atrás
Great video, Rick. This really is EXACTLY the sort of thing that young people in all industries need to hear - the world is changing all the time, and when you get a chance like this to hear HOW part of that's important to you is changing, you better listen.
Robby Seager
Robby Seager 5 anos atrás
Rick!! I bought your book (between sales) it's awesome information. However, -- I really feel that a re-publishing, with the paid assistance of somebody who's good at aesthetic layout, could make the product a hundred times cooler and more accessible to people with different brains and learning styles than you : ) I hope you consider such an investment and its universal payoff. Thanks for your SUPER info and good vibes.
Watchman4u 5 anos atrás
Yeah Audio Schools are a racket I got paid for my 1st recording for someone else. I did their demo for $3000 . I learned by years of recording w/tape decks & picking up all the knowledge I could from engineers I did do roady work just so I could sit behind the mixer & watch how live shows were done. I bought a lot of books….& the demo I did for this group they said they played for a band that paid $10,000 for a 4 song demo & they said that the demo I did for them sounded Radio ready & they band who paid $10,000 for a pitiful demo was like who recorded this? And how much was it ? The Studio is a somewhat famous studio but they charged all that money for something they said sounded like what they thought I might achieve, give the lil guys a chance w/home studios instead of booking the Mega Studio's they will not give you the same attention to detail …but the smaller guys have a passion btw I did that on a Roland VS 1680 w/ some tube Pre amps & other budget gear. I did but a lotta of time in the set up miking up the drum set the day before so we could get down to business when the band came in. No substitute for Work & Study.
Dave Carsley
Dave Carsley 3 anos atrás
And yet, you never learned to use paragraphs...
necaacen 3 anos atrás
real talk man. im a graphic designer and i think people would be surprised just how much our industry functions in the same way. I think over half the people out there doing professional design work are not getting paid, theyre interns, and design studios will just let them sit there and do work for them for as long as it takes for the intern to just give up and go get a job in another industry.
Eru Vásquez
Eru Vásquez 12 dias atrás
I think that selling loops, selling beat licenses and working on sync licensing are the best ways to make a living doing music these days.
Philly Tee
Philly Tee 4 anos atrás
I've recently done two part-time courses at a local music college, in music recording and song writing, for what they cost they were value for money, the tutors were good and pretty helpful and the courses although they were short, both a few hours one day a week for eight weeks were as comprehensive as they could be, they've helped me develop my skills as a musician and I enjoyed working with the other students in the process. I've been writing my own music tracks for about twenty years as a independent musician. I've been in a few bands and produced demo's and even released a dance record back when dance music or EDM as it's known now was a freelance paradise. We sold quite a few records off our own back, actually distributing the records on our own in our own local area to record shops on a sale or return basis and got a third party independent distributor for the rest of the UK. I've got a few songs that I think could be commercial pop/dance tunes. I understand in this day and age it's become more and more difficult to get your foot in the door in the music business. Although you can release your own music through online distributors onto the online music vendors and streaming services it's hard to get potential listeners to discover your music. What do you think is the best way to promote your music? With social media platforms and places like BRvid for instance, any suggestions would be helpful.
Michael Rose
Michael Rose 2 anos atrás
Two options folks could consider: Taking a course(s) or certificate in Entertainment Technology at a local community college (that's the name for the program at my local community college). They are usually cheaper than any "Pro" school like Full Sail and often cheaper than courses in a state university system. Often you can take a course or two at a time instead of having to be a full-time student. Other option: if your local public library has a subscription to LinkedIn Learning database, with a public library card, you can register within the database and have access to over 1000 courses on music production, DAW software, and more. Some of these are just long videos but a lot of them have testing or learning exercises included.
Master Chief 00117
Master Chief 00117 5 anos atrás
My friends son goes to Manhattan School of Music. He just tried out for the Boston Symphony. He come in 3rd out 500+ and he is only 24. the other two where in there mid 30's.. He was down for about a day. Then I told him. John Powell had taken 20 years to make his break through. So make all the connections you can. As it's about who you know. So if a position opens up. Then remember your name....
smilsmff 4 anos atrás
my son went to one of these schools for music, Studio or something to do with , 15 ,000 dollars one year, ABSOLUTELY NO JOBS AVAILABLE
MonkeyBizArt 5 anos atrás
some of the best pieces of advice I have ever heard. I wish somebody had told me these things 12 years ago, I would have made very different choices, even though luckily in Italy education isn't so expensive
nakedmambo 5 anos atrás
The girl promoting her dance routines is not much different to how those early hip-hop and house kids became their own producers, their own musicians, their own managers because they were shut out of the mainstream. The club scene and youth music tastes offline, like the internet today, were what made record companies start salivating. Call it 'entrepreneurs' if you will, but I get the feeling that those kids of the past were doing it for the love of it as much as wanting to get paid. Today's people are all aching to be mega-stars. I suppose a lot of the hip-hop kids were royally ripped-off too though. Almost every band that I listened to growing up were self-taught on the job - usually after hundreds of actual gigs - and a great deal of their recording knowledge was worked-out in a shed or garage on borrowed and second-hand equipment. This was still going on in the 1990s. What kind of fool would pay almost half a million dollars for a 'recording course'?! It's a bloody joke.
devaski 5 anos atrás
Hi Rick I really like your commentaries and stories, they're very informative and eye opening!
James McGauran
James McGauran 4 anos atrás
I've been watching a heap of your videos lately, Rick, and your subscribers have jumped approximately 4000 in just a few days! Spreading the good word ;) Love your work!
The Edelweiss Pirate
The Edelweiss Pirate 3 anos atrás
I was going to train as a sound engineer until someone in a very famous band told me to not waste my time and money.
glenesis 5 anos atrás
Thanks for another great rant, Rick! The amount of work required to survive in this business is always colossal. At 52, I don't know how to do anything aside from making records. Outside of actual sessions, promotion is often an uphill battle for me, but I found your rant oddly encouraging. The one thing about the endless line of free labor standing behind us is that more often than not, a client gets what they pay for ;-) There is no substitute for our experience. Thanks for sharing so much of yours. Cheers!
Chris Nashvillerocker DiMella
right on Rick! even though one networks, it is a me biz now, back in the day someone would recommend someone, now it is about putting a face on a hit, by the publishing Co. and whoever is in the club. So happy you did this Rant & telling it like it is! Thanks for sharing and letting the up and coming, young artist that get sucked in the smoke & mirrors.
Robert Brown
Robert Brown Anos atrás
Check out the Tom Petty two disc documentary. Excellent. And he fought a couple huge battles with the music industry and won. Amazing!
John Smith
John Smith 2 anos atrás
I never realized that playing music only for personal enjoyment and expression because I’m technically lousy was a damn blessing. The music industry sounds akin to a human trafficking enterprise.
Jamie Thomson
Jamie Thomson 2 anos atrás
Love your work ,I learn something every time I tune in!
Actalzy 4 anos atrás
Listening to your rant on the music industry brings to mind the video for Korn's 'Y'all want a single'. Video is important, song is okay but the video takes it up a lot and really echoes everything and more about your words on the state of the music industry. Great stuff, glad I found your channel.
Todd Hubers
Todd Hubers 5 anos atrás
You make some compelling and eye opening points. BTW, I started learning piano at 4, and don't have absolute pitch, I mustn't have the gene. I like the conclusion though that it's all about having a good ear for relative pitch. My friend actually had some difficulties when learning music - he had absolute pitch. It's very helpful when transcribing music, but hated it, when I pressed the transpose button for a gig, when the singer wanted a pitch change at last minute. (I know, I should be better and not use the transpose button, but I know my limits)
Glenn Peterson
Glenn Peterson 5 anos atrás
Same thing happened to me around 89-90 at Hyde Street Studios in S.F. I worked as an intern for nothing. I remember Satriani coming in to record then. I watched the front counter, cleaned up the studios, coiled cables, moved stuff around, (and made coffee), etc. After many months, I didn't see any training or advancement there, so I left. Got a job in the computer industry so it ended up ok, but it was a frustrating experience.
parnelli jones
parnelli jones 5 anos atrás
Then you've heard the Tequila story. Better to be a has-been than a never-was. Funny how many aspiring audio engineers ended up in computers. I was in it for the tech aspect, not because I wanted to hang around famous musicians. I threw in the towel when a dumb shit intern with no technical skills, but a lot of ass-kissing skills, got hired, even though I'd been interning twice as long.
Glenn Peterson
Glenn Peterson 5 anos atrás
parnelli jones - I went to College for Recording arts then too in 88-89.
parnelli jones
parnelli jones 5 anos atrás
Ha ha! I went to College for Recording Arts in SF in 1990 and made lots of coffee at Music Annex in Menlo Park for the next year after that. I also got the wonderful opportunity to run cassette dups and bulk erase tapes.I got to see Ronnie Montrose walk by while I was erasing tapes. I'm in computers now as well.
georgecaplan11 2 anos atrás
This is great advice for any career and not just music. Thanks.
Lefty Lounge Lizard's Guitars & Amps Extravaganza
Awesome dissertation/rant, Rick. Unfortunately, rackets (and I mean that in the literal sense) like college solely exist to take your $$$. For the tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars you pay for a degree, you'd think you'd get *at least* an actual, viable job lead at the end. Instead, you ultimately invest your $50K (or whatever) in a fancy sheet of paper in a wood frame; one of the biggest sucker games around.
Suresh Parajuli
Suresh Parajuli 5 anos atrás
Rick Beato....... Your words touched my soul in this VIDEO because i went through same situation in music education after having two master degrees one from Indiana University/Purdue University and undergraduate degree in music and i was used by people in music world in USA. So, i decided to study IT computer programming degree. when i make money as programmer, then i can make my own studio...I love to come to your place if you can give opportunity....
Alan Burton
Alan Burton 4 anos atrás
As I watched the end of this video, something occurred to me; the topic of music school and if it's worth it. I think one thing you have to consider is what you are paying for when you go to college. What you are really paying for is time; time to learn the concepts the instructor is talking about, time with like-minded individuals to bounce these ideas/concepts off of, and time to integrate these ideas/concepts into your own gestalt. I think this is a very important consideration when talking about if music school is worth it.
Alan Burton
Alan Burton 4 anos atrás
This is an interesting topic to me, as I did my BME at a private university, then I did my MM at a large public university that is considered a "jazz school". I'm an older guy, so I did this in the dial up days of AOL. I was able to make money playing gigs, still do, but I was naive about taxes. Needless to say, the situation got really messed up and took a long time to get un-messed up. Nowadays, the jazz school I went to now teaches business of music classes. I also counsel younger players about the perils of self-employment taxes, a small part of being an entrepreneur. Great channel!
Ty 9 meses atrás
No one will talk about the deep trouble Academia is in. Not just in music
Rob Harris
Rob Harris 5 anos atrás
I dropped out! I owe roughly $20,000 for one year! I figure if I can find a studio to take me in and teach me the old school way I would learn more! Still no luck! Now I am still broke with 5 kids and now in debt! lol
Tilley Road Affair Productions
Thank you for telling it like it is. You are very polite in your message. It is an industry of slaves to stardom.
The Tardifs Take Japan!
Rick, I have a question. What kind of degree or trade that is related to music in some roundabout way would you recommend to someone who already has a music degree and is in the business and why?
Brian Blackwood
Brian Blackwood 5 anos atrás
Man I absolutely love your channel. I write and record my own music and your breakdown of Andy Wallace has helped my mixing.
David Nelson
David Nelson 5 anos atrás
Great educational video Rick. I do want you to know, that luckily for me, I did see an add for your channel on FB. Never heard of you. Had no idea what you were about, or what your agenda was. Now I have been following your channels for a couple of months, and so glad that add popped up. Keep up the great work, and I push your work every chance I get, because musicians need someone who knows and can explain the business, the music, the work that needs to be done. God Bless my friend .
peter t
peter t 5 anos atrás
Great info Rick!. Hope ur ok!, hope you can continue to be such a helpful light. All the best Rick.
Travis Lohmann
Travis Lohmann 4 anos atrás
Finishing up watching this right now. Your philosophy about not working for free also applies to film composer internships which don't pay? Loving the content!
George Sid
George Sid Anos atrás
I love modern music ranging from electro/gothic/industrial, to pop, to heavy metal. I also like some classical. I love listening to some jazz however. It creates an ambience that makes me feel calm, whereas the other genres raise my heart beat.
U.P. dan
U.P. dan 2 anos atrás
At a Berklee I learned more from other students than teachers. With BRvid, a real teacher, a couple bands playing different types of music people want to hear, you can be an excellent musician and put the college money into living quarters, mobile or stationary connected to your business,
Patrick Dezenzio
Patrick Dezenzio 2 anos atrás
Good stuff Rick! Remember the guy named Threatin who was so unhappy with the way it took so long to get seen and picked up by a label that he created a completely fake PR firm with fake "fans" so that his Facebook page looked like he was hugely popular? Look him up if you haven't. His stuff isn't that bad - he plays all of the instruments and the vocals. Look him up if you haven't heard of him before.
Newyork Filharmonik
Newyork Filharmonik 2 anos atrás
I went to college thinking i was going to be a recording engineer, then discovered how hard it would be (the same for my major- Mass Media Communications) that's how I got to retire from the New York Stock Exchange. I basically did a temp job in their computer room, got hired, worked there long enough to get a small pension after I was elegible, Their 401k program was the difference. I got lucky in finding the right instruments in which to invest.
Mark Doherty Music
Mark Doherty Music 9 meses atrás
Very difficult; I’ve been playing and teaching for many years but all my students have been face to face and gigs were all through face to face connections but not through Social Media. I’ve seen some on You Tube very good talented musicians but hardly any views at all. Good video and yes it’s a load of hard work which music colleges should teach
Barend Chamberlain
Barend Chamberlain 5 anos atrás
You should narrate books. You have a way of telling stories that I just love!
Simon Matthews Guitar
Simon Matthews Guitar 5 anos atrás
Great video. It's very difficult, hard work, networking and luck. I worked out that I have 6 income streams that enables me to work in "music"
Emmanuel Florac
Emmanuel Florac 5 anos atrás
When I was a studio intern back in the 90s, I didn't get paid but I learned everything about the studio, the effects, the hardware, I recorded sessions, edited stuff on Studio Vision and Sound Tools II ( ProTools didn't even exist back then :), mixed, played with effects, wrote down sheet music on Finale, etc. I learned everything possible, for free, but at least I've learned a lot. I didn"t hoover the carpet or make coffee... WTF dude? 5 anos atrás
Dear Rick. First of all I would personally like to thank you for all the good stuff..and i mean all the good stuff you put out.I do not have a music education but i get alot of gigs playing in restaurants ny just a simple business card and a two video of one of my successful gigs. I persist and persist and finally I get a shot ..i HAVE NO BRvid VIDS BUT I GET BERY MODERATELY PAYED GIGS.....Anyway long story short and I am not boasting but just trying to prove to you that what you said about being entrepreneur works. May i very strongly suggest that you kindly put out a few videos about singing because most musicians sing and play an instrument mostly guitar or piano. There are many vocal coaches out there however if you had to put out a series of videos about singing..,,,especially breathy, commercial type singing which is a vocal tone that sells commercially as you know, I am sure that we as musicians will be interested in learning or honing our craft. Maybe you can get someone else to do it or whatever works....This is an important component of the music industry and I guess you should not miss out on it. BYW I am not telling you how to do what you do which you do well imho......however it is definitely in demand, Yours sincerely Simon and many likes from me........Singing commercially in the breathy or textured tone is left out completely or vaguely addressed on BRvid and i am sure that this will attract more singers to view all your other vids. Thank you and hope you respond to my and our request. P.S. my apologies for the spelling mistakes.
The Last Note
The Last Note 5 anos atrás
I relate to what you just said so much. I had a class in a music school in Paris on how to make a living as a musician. He was really honest and said if you wanna make a living in music, you've got to be a really good business man and not a good musician. After finishing my school I did about two years of unemployment and then went back to university. I'm currently finishing my bachelor in management and then going for a master degree in entrepreneurship. Listening to your rant makes me think I've done the right decision and you're right, the information needs to get out of there. Paying $350k sounds ridiculous but then again it's more of a north american system issue and it's a topic where I'd prefer to keep my opinion ;) This channel is awesome ! .
Stricknyne1 5 anos atrás
Rick, I really enjoyed this video as well as many others you have posted. It is so great to benefit from your real life experiences in music. I was curious if you know Steve Freeman (a great guitarist)? I think he is from Atlanta as well. Again thanks for the informative videos. I reposted this on my Facebook page, hope that is alright.
Amrit Mehta
Amrit Mehta 5 anos atrás
*Hey Rick! I was wondering if you could do a breakdown of Traffic's Low Spark of the High Heeled Boys, the song is extremely dear to me. Especially what they do at the end with those dissonant notes of what I think is a synth* Great video as always! :D thanks
Lynn Danielson
Lynn Danielson 3 anos atrás
I remember an interview with Winwood where he mentioned it's an organ run through a distortion effect.
pulkit duggal
pulkit duggal 4 anos atrás
god bless your soul !! rick you are such a great human !!!
andrea cassano
andrea cassano 5 anos atrás
Hi Rick, I just watched till 3:30 and listened to your lovely conversation with Michelle who is so lucky to have perfect pitch because she started at 4. I don't have perfect pitch but I started in the womb as my mother listened to lots of classic music and piano was my favorite toy since my start. My mother used to breastfeed me singing "the sound of music" notes song in the Italian solfa version in whichever random key she took at the moment. So I have this wrong perfect pitch as I ear the notes naming themselves in my brain as if they were in the key of C. I am a professional pianist and amateur composer, with the highest Italian degrees both in piano performance and composing, and during my piano lessons with pupils I have to make violence to myself to name notes in the right key (for example, a missing sharp in G major for my perception affects the B note, and not the F as in reality, so that I have to calculate this rationally, easy of course, but I happen to say the wrong note at the end of a heavy school day. I don't know what I have to say with my comment. I just think I have a kind of perfect pitch wired in a wrong way, and I would like to have your opinion about this. Ciao dell'Italia!
GeoZero 4 anos atrás
Man Rick, I love your videos. I figured this out early on. I bought gear and learned how to use it. $400k I would setup a sweet studio with nice gear, produce others and manage bands. They are just giving all this money to a school for nothing.
The Raul Guerrero G
The Raul Guerrero G 5 anos atrás
wow, this is such and amazing video, ane very interesting even if you're not in the music bussinnes and really makes you think. I'm from México and here we have a massive massive problem with piracy, there's no FBI arresting people, it is everywhere and i'd like to hear you talk about it in the future.
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