A conversation I was not expecting. But a conversation I needed to hear. As a white Woman, it didn’t click right away, but when you mentioned reading the Bible from a woman’s perspective, The light came on. Cuz it’s amazing looking at the Bible from a woman’s perspective. I’ve also started looking at it from a Jewish standpoint to help me understand scripture better, Even though I’m not Jewish. But if I’m honest, there are a lot more black people surrounding me today than Jews. And I need to read from their perspective too, cuz 1. It’s going to enlighten God even more 2. This is meeting them where we are at and diversity won’t actually happen until we come together and see how God has touched their lives in a way that I will probably never completely understand, but I can see the beauty and rejoice along with them because God is so Good to us ALL!
This pretty young lady knows her Bible very will bless her and family wow I love to hear her bless Lord Jesus. More and more from her blow it’s the word🙏🏾📣📣📣📣📣📣👏🏾💃🏽📚🌧🩸🔥🔥🩸🏃🏾♀️🥰
Seek frost Matt 6 : 33 ask he hears us when we call him Matt 7 : 7 ask his time is not our time wait on the Lord he will show him self yes John 3 : 16 for God so love the world wow look 👀 world Jesus Read all is well in him❤
Bless you the Bible is love letters for us to read it till us what our Lord Jesus is saying to each one of us we are so love and cared for our road map home he gave his all for you and all of us that’s love ❤️ John 3 : 16 read psalms139 read all our God cards for us all Just walk with him he will walk all the way with you read Hebrews 4 : 1 -16 rest in him I’m so glad my Lord cards for me I know he’s walking with me teaching me alone the way keep lister and reading God’s word all true love you ❤my sister be bless ok all is well in him rain 🌧 on us all Lord have your way Amen 🙏🏾🏃🏾♀️🙏🏾📣📣📣📣🔥🩸📣📚💃🏽💃🏽💃🏽💃🏽🧎🏾♀️🎶♥️👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Good idea but only problem would be that you're not the person of whom you're imitating perspective. So you won't accurately be able to read the Bible from their perspective. Might come far from doing so. Maybe instead you could ask these people what the verses or passage mean to them?
Topic ideas for future episodes/seasons: 1. Equally yoked/unequally yoked friendships 2. The commodification of pastors (pastors being the “face” of the “brand” for churches, so to speak) 3. Impact of social media on the church 4. Communication in marriage 5. Raising children in a culture that is increasingly hostile to God
"If you think what is normal is what you do in majority culture & The unity means everyone adjusting to you, then that's not unity it's colonization "💪
THAT part. Epigenetics is a thing. Just as black folks deal with the aftershock of enslavement, white folks deal with the aftershock of enslaving. That shows up in MANY,many different ways including masked colonizing in religious and educational spaces🤷🏾♀️
“We all need each other to discern the mind of Christ.” Whew 😅 I already know I’m gonna be listening to this over and over because this group is great. Thank you so much for this conversation.
I've never seen Jackie physically express so much interest and enjoyment in what a guest was saying this season as much as she has shown this gentleman. 👏🏾
It's hard to push the emotion and tears down. Many of these very topics are the reason I separated from a congregation that I cared deeply about but came in conflict with during the height of 2020's racial conflicts and protests. I've been unable to connect to a church since due to my own personal trauma and trust issues. This podcast was so validating and I'm grateful to the Holy Spirit. My heart is full to know God does care just like I thought He did. Please pray that God will heal my entire family and lead us to a place of worship and community. 🙏🏽
Such an important conversation! And such truth. The nations (ethnicities) are represented throughout the Bible. White culture Christians seem to think "all nations" is just a cute phrase in the Bible.
Dr McCaulley!!! Yes! God made me African on purpose; and my redeemed culture has its incomparable contribution to make to the Body of Christ!!! Preach It!!!
It’s awesome. It’s really just necessary to address anything that could be a stumbling block to a fellow believer’s faith even if it is uncomfortable or you feel like it doesn’t directly concern you.
I’ve just taken it for granted that THE Lord of ALL Justice will right every wrong and WILL handle with righteousness and honor EACH AND EVERY monstrosiy of wickedness “Black” people have had to endure here on earth. Not one “tiny” little misdeed has escaped His eye; not one “small” dishonoring, disparaging word has eluded His ear. He KNOWS what has gone on and it WILL be recompensed. We’re talking about THE Lord of Righteousness. There IS nothing unjust in Him. I know He will DO IT because this is His nature and He cannot be otherwise. Therefore, I don’t get caught up in fleeting conversation about man’s “opinions.” My focus is on THE Faithful One... THE One who will do it. HE WILL.
I had been sitting in the pews as a born from above Jewish believer for 20 years. A precious black pastor came into our life, my husband's and mine, and through our friendship, he and his wife contributed so much that only the black culture could. He was elderly when we met him and we had a close connection with him for 20 years. We came to understand and empathize and have compassion for and admiration for what they'd been through because of color. He also helped me to realize that this thing we call Christianity is really Biblical Judaism as opposed to Rabbinical Judaism I identified with this discussion with Dr Esau McCauley because, as a Jew, I'd been led to believe I was now a Gentile and had nothing to contribute. When Brother Ben and sister Sylvia Mitchell came into my life, they honored my identity, as we also did theirs. So if Dr. McCauley speaks again with you, I'd love for him to expound on the contributions he sees that are needful to the body of Messiah from the black culture.
This conversation is so good! I can listen to y’all talk all day. I bought Esau’s book when it 1st dropped & gifted it to a few of my Black & White Pastor friends. Also, I have Josey Johnson’s Hair & the Holy Spirit. Lent is on its way! 🤗🙌🏾🖤✊🏾
Mercy - this took me back to my first Black Studies class in college, except with Jesus!!! Love him, will definitely buy all the books . Thank you Perry's. BTW, loving the intro music and the videos 💜💜💜
"I want my daughter to see people who look like her following Jesus". 😍 These past couple of years i felt led to implement more culture into our library for our family to read. We had books by Ben Carson,on Fredrick Douglas, and Martin Luther King Jr. but i wanted us to expand even more. i've been grateful for biblical teachings of Thabiti Anyabwile and John Onwuchekwa as well as podcast such as this, Let's Talk, and Knowing Faith. Have read both of Jackie's books, gone through Jude (and now the teen study with our daughter) and Dahati Lewis' Among Wolves and Advocate. Jasmine Holmes' book Carved in Ebony for young readers arrived last week and i'm reading it before passing it along = ) It's exciting to hear Preston is working on one as well! Your discussions have been insightful. i hope it encourages you to know there are brothers and sisters in Christ who want to learn from you and see more clearly.
Wowww!!! All the snaps 🫰🏾 all the claps 👏🏾 This conversation was amazing! Dr. Esau was dropping too many gems, Lord. Ima have to rewatch a few times and pick up those books!!
My God!!!!! If I had a handkerchief I would have threw it at my phone in hopes that’d it hit Brotha, Doctor, Reverend, Professor Esau in between the lenses of his spectacles. Lol The wisdom and truth communicated on this episode was 🔥
AMEN!!!!! HE WILL WIPE EVEY TEAR AWAY… HE WILL WIPE AWAY.. E V E R Y TEAR. Thank you Father. I can’t wait to see you Jesus.. I’m tired of the hate and the fear , here on earth.
AMEN! Christianity is intersectional, I’m a white hispanic/white passing? And growing up in a church in Coney Island, you could feel Gods love through the sharing of culture, American black people, Puerto Ricans black people, brown skinned Hondurans, white hispanics, etc etc. And it was never because we DIDNT share our cultural differences. Of course, sharing ethnicity helped to relate, but we also shared class, and most importantly, our passion for Christ. I related with a lot on this podcast, it was so easy to empathize, especially after moving from Brooklyn to a rural town in the south of VA. Now I *understand* why I, despite being white passing, felt so alienated from that church. They didn’t *know* any other ethnicities, or cultures, or how to contextualize the Bible, much less in a biblical way. This isn’t a Christian verse, but I’m beginning to understand, “never attribute malice to what could be explained as incompetence.” This podcast is gift from GOD. It is relevant to problems in the church right now, it speaks to many people. It is the crux of what biblical evangelism should be. Thank you, God bless your ministry.
Amen! This was so good ! I am blessed and excited to have learned more on this subject. It makes sense that we have different redemptive stories… As the body of Christ we need to see this, black,yellow, white ect….listen to each others stories, read Dr Esau’s book! Thanks for doing this one its super important! I grew up in a multicultural setting I don’t understand where everyone is coming from,but I care! I believe i care about this because God has work for me to do .. to educate myself and others, pray and ask the Holy Spirit to empower me to speak up for all his people. Lets seek knowledge and understanding and have conversations about what we learn saints and Aints! God is good and all the time God is good!😊 For real, Jenni
Wow. As an Asian American constantly trying to relearn and unlearn, I found this video very insightful and informational. Thank you so much for sharing!
Maaaaan this was soooo ON POINT! I really hope I can comment this… My husband wrote “ONE is NOT One” -Reconciled and Racist-- Talking about this very thing! Let’s talk about this y’all!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Loving this! We have to talk about the hurt before we heal. Alot of people don't want to do this b/c they are afraid. We have to put off fear in this nation so we can deal the hurt of racism so we can heal. No repentence, no justice, no peace, no healing. This is where we are. I hope we will choose repentence so we can heal.
I know what I am going to say is going to be unpopular. I love being black. I have a black wife, with black kids, black parents, a black owned business and so on. But as i mature in my faith, I realized that my faith can't be in my suffering, gender, ethnicity etc... Not that those things are not important to me, but none of those things can save me. The only way for all regardless of color is through Jesus Christ, so ultimately I am going to follow Paul the Apostles lead who also suffered and place my Identity in Christ because that's where my salvation rests now and eternally. The only worry i have with this video is, Christianity or salvation can't be defined or relegated to a small segment of people. Christianity and salvation is for all people. We all fall short, we blacks are sinners too. We kill, we murder, we enslave, we lie, we cheat, we steal, we conquer, we kidnap, we belittle, we destroy, we burn, we mutilate, we have homosexuality, infidelity, all manner of sexual sin, witchcraft, we have suffered, we have caused suffering, we rape, we set ourselves above other people, we exhibit pride, we worship idles, we have fallen short of Gods standard. Just like every other man and woman who ever lived regardless of race or ethnicity with the exception of Jesus christ. We are not special, we can't save ourselves, we can't earn salvation, we deserve hell just like everyone else, we are not better than others, we are not worse than others, for we all fall short. None of us make to heaven expect through Jesus Christ. *Side note, I have been studying history a lot lately, and found that the horrible things that happened to slaves fro Africa in the Americas is not unique. The vikings enslaved and killed murdered other Europeans, the Khans other Chinese, African nations against African nations, there are millions of people who have been kidnapped and are forced to work as sex slaves even today . Millions of Africans have been killed by Africans, Millions of Europeans have been killed by Europeans, same with Chinese, middle Easterners, etcetera... The suffering our ancestors went through was unspeakable but not unique. Some of the Europeans and African countries warring against each other did not even bother to enslave, they just murdered millions of people not on the other side. Ultimately it is not a skin issue it is a sin issue.... hence why I believe each and everyone of us needs Jesus Christ.
Ditto everything you said. I have been redeeming my education in history as well and what I think is a lot of what they said can be summed up as framing the Bible from a position of trauma/victimization. My gender (woman) is not the same as blackness. Handling finances is not the same as my blackness. God created me as a woman, blackness was created by man and also distinctly in modern America. Also, I reject the idea that I need to see someone that "looks like me" do whatever I aim to pursue. I don't remember that being a major thing in the 90s. I could watch the Cosby's, fresh prince of Bel air, and Clarissa explains it all, Sabrina the teenage witch, etc (pretty sure I'm showing my age) and it wasn't a big deal to me. Back then, we could relate to any of the characters that had similar circumstances as me regardless of their race.
It is so important to read the Bible in its context... culturally, ethnically, etc. God does not erase culture... period. This has been so damaging to our people. There are groups of "they" who benefit from this "one size fits all" interpretation (read Psalm 83:3-5). If you know who Israel is then you'll know who "they" are and they don't want that ESPECIALLY when it comes to eschatology. It's simple. God bless 🙏🏾
The problem with non black Christian’s is that they do not want to admit the black body has been devalued … because we can’t agree on that we can’t move forward with true healing! 🤷🏾♀️
When Rev. Dr. McCaulley called out how we American White Christians respect distinct cultural white theologies but not American Black theology I realized I need to start reading more American Black Christian work and listening to more American Black Christian speakers because they have much to teach about the liberation found in Christ. Thank you for this interview!
So does that mean that if you're a woman you read the Bible and interpret it differently, if you're a man, if you're Chinese if you're Arabic whatever you are you read the Bible from whatever your own perspective is so does that include homosexuality they can read it from their perspective and they can justify their behavior or whatever it is that they think is normal to them?
Man when The Perry are looking like Billy Madison in a Kindergarten class, you know the talk is good. Never ever seen both of y’all soooooooooo engaged at the same time. Beautiful… This talk is fire tho!!
Mr. and Mrs. Perry and Dr. Esau McCaulley, Thank you for this conversation, I will pass it along. However, will one of you three or all, help support me in publishing my journal? In support I mean tell me how step-by-step. Thank you
Okay. I hope this comment section is a safe place. Here goes….I have a hard time reconciling black Christian men who continue to talked about black issues but marry white women. Then want to write books about black hair. I’m honestly struggling with this. I don’t want it to but it legitimately bothers me. This was a good conversation though. I enjoyed it.
I am praying for you. Sometimes, things don't get reconciled on this side of eternity. Sometimes, the goal is the transformation and strengthening that comes only through the wrestling. May the Spirit of Christ both comfort and strengthen you.
@CreativeWriteHer Thank you for your comment. While I agree with your thoughts I still have concerns with us only being allowed to presume the best possible likelihoods and not allowed space to deal with presumptions that may not be ideal but just as true if not more. I just want to be clear, that I enjoyed the conversation and thought it was very insightful like I mentioned in my original comment. I’ve enjoyed Dr. Esau on many of other panels and platforms as well. And again, I would love to be unbothered by these types of circumstances, but am. If you feel inclined, pray for me. ❤️
This may be an area that you need to give to God, sis. His studies and career path may have led to predominantly white environments. Regardless of how or why, his marrying a white woman does not make him any less black nor automatically lessen the discrimination he may face. In fact, it may make it more prominent. Also, his disdain for how the evangelical church views blackness does not have to be translated to all white people in general for it to be true. Additionally, his studies of the Bible seem to have led Him to some truths of God's word: His love transcends culture, socioeconomic status, and race, and He has charged the Body of Christ to be unified even though many continue to refuse. Esau may view his ability to love and marry a white woman (in the face of American racism and all he has learned) as a testament to His faith and trust in God. Or, he could just really love her. No matter the reasons, the truth of his message can only be diminished by our own biases and hangups, not his family. This man did not create racism, so it is not criminal for him to rise above it. Be blessed
Loved what you said Esau about Christ's rejection of the evil done to black people by resurrecting them! God's response to Cain murdering his brother was Genesis 4:10 "And He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground." Even in death the Lord hears the cries of the oppressed and violated! Justice will be served praise God!! As an incredibly scared little white girl I was lovingly taken in by my neighbors who were of mixed race. I was so incredibly blessed by their family and culture and finally felt a freedom from my social anxiety that was crippling at the time. I felt sort of rescued by the black culture in many ways so this video just warms my heart!
I was actually thinking about this the other day. What do I want to look like in eternity? I know I will be black, but will I still be looking like my overweight self, do I need to lose weight now so I will look better in eternity? Yes, I know I will be totally healthy. Then I say to myself, who cares??? You will be with God. 😄😄😄
