A Mechanics Nightmare, the Ferdinand | Cursed by Design 

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Many tank destroyers were built during the second world war. Of these several stand out as being extremely successful while others were nothing but failures. The Ferdinand/Elefant is an odd case as it fits into both categories. Stay tuned as we discuss the story of this infamous Porsche product.
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0:00 - 3:42 Intro
3:42 - 5:25 The Chassis
5:25 - 11:14 Design and Conversion
11:14 - 22:30 Combat Service
22:30 - 25:06 Survivors and Conclusion
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@ConeOfArc 2 meses atrás
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@darknut9696 2 meses atrás
Can you cover the porche JadgTiger 2, it's the one with the porshe styled suspension there's one in Bovington but i can not find info on the reasons why it was used other than it being experimental/available
@zeronzentroxus6344 2 meses atrás
Cool vid, as always! How about analyzing the TR-125 P? I'd like to see your opinion on this tank. I'm no expert on heavy military vehicles, but I'd say it is a pretty good hardware, even for nowadays standards.
@giga_chad8548 2 meses atrás
Hey,can you please do a jagdtiger video
@HaVoC117X 2 meses atrás
I really challenge you to provide a primary source were it's written that Germans used five Famos on a single tank. Those fuckers had a towing capacity of 28 to 35 tons and a very powerful engine driven winch!
@ConeOfArc 2 meses atrás
@@HaVoC117X as the pop-up said in the video there is a photograph of it happening
@T29Heavy 2 meses atrás
The German solution to the Ferdinand reliability problems is to add more weight to it
@BHuang92 2 meses atrás
Fixing complexity *with MORE complexity the German way!*
@1994CivicGLi 2 meses atrás
they took “bigger is better” a bit too seriously
@warlloverespanol2897 2 meses atrás
They say that the german tank weight graphic only goes up
@kingleech16 2 meses atrás
They were big fans of Giles Corey.
@wanderschlosser1857 2 meses atrás
​@@warlloverespanol2897As for any other country.
@evilfingers4302 2 meses atrás
The Ferdinand/Elefant may have the highest kill ratio, but it should've been used mainly as a Defensive Anti-Tank Weapon rather than what is was used for without infantry support in the Battle of Kursk
@Paciat 2 meses atrás
If so then it should be mobile, cause in defense the enemy decides where it attacks. It is a shit tank destroyer if it cant arrive in time to prepare an ambush and the kill count dosnt change that. Cause youre just adding 0:0 most of the time.
@lyndoncmp5751 2 meses atrás
It WAS. Kursk only lasted a short period of July 1943. From August 1943, through 1944 and even into early 1945 the Ferdinand/Elefant WAS used very successfully in a defensive tank destroyer role by and large. A few even made it back to help defend Berlin.
@johnludmon7419 2 meses atrás
​@lyndoncmp5751 when the Elephant was given to former stug crews who used it like one it was very successful. They were able to pick their targets off at range it wasn't meant to be used like a tank despite the armour.
@lyndoncmp5751 2 meses atrás
@@johnludmon7419 Exactly. After Kursk, the Ferdinand was used as a long range anti tank sniper, particularly in the defensive fighting of the River Dnieper bend battles. It took a long time for the rest of the Ferdinands to be lost. They lasted well into and through 1944 and even into 1945.
@SargentoDuke 2 meses atrás
No, the highest Kill Ratio was the Commander of the Elephants unit... the Tiger P 003, that had the same new reliable engines and the 200 front armor like a elephant but more agile and with turret... but is was destroyed on a rush of an orde of T34s to hunt them from killing the tanks that tried to surround the Elephants... there was a lot of war histories about that tiger and there is even a movie, and actually we had real pictures about it, sad it was lost in the tundra.
The prominent failure at Kursk with mines was due to stupidity of deployment. Specifically with the 653. s.Pz.Jg.Abt. It was with the if I recall correctly the 2. Panzer Divisions Pioneers where they were sent out to clear the mines. This Soviet shad defenses on top of hills and artillery observers, so each time the pioneers went to clear the mines, Soviet artillery would batter them. Some idiot made a decision to use the Ferdinand’s to charge into the minefield to clear a path. The Ferdinand’s particularity got hit by Soviet infantry because of the specific tenacity of the Soviet 15th Rifle Division. While the 15th rifle division utterly collapsed and died due to the 27 Tigers of the 505. s.Pz.Abt. and Infantry of the 6. infanterie Division, the north of the 15th Soviet rifle division held up much better, it was specifically ordered by the leader in area to stay in their trenches and let the tanks pass over them, once the tanks passed, pop back out and halting the incoming infantry. This effectively isolated the Ferdinand’s where they could be hit from the front, side, and rear, not only by infantry, but by anti tank infantry and light anti tank guns. It’s was due to the sheer tenacity and the Germans blunder that the Ferdinand’s faced particular losses here. It still boggle me why charging a whole battalion through a minefield was an acceptable idea, then the employment and use was just against the doctrine it was meant to do.
@junibug6790 2 meses atrás
​@@KuK137Looks like we just found Putin's personal BRvid account 😂
@bromine_35 2 meses atrás
Huh... Sounds identical to the current Russian tactic in Ukraine lmao
@lindgrenland 2 meses atrás
Ah, as opposed to the brilliant russian strategy of displaying utter incompetence, corrupt military leadership and embarassing oneself completely in front of the whole world, against a much, much smaller, militarily much weaker nation😂 @@KuK137
@larryfoulke1596 2 meses atrás
Desperate,but Kursk is very early on the war ,They still have few offensive after Kursk aren't they?
@ValphaVolf 2 meses atrás
​@@junibug6790they might be exageratting on numbers, but the new offensive on the south is (at the very least) terrible. Barely any gains, alot of casualties. And no, just cus I'm saying Ukraine is doing bad (on this part of the war) doesn't mean I support Russia.
@venn2001ad 2 meses atrás
Despite all its flaws, Ferdinand/Elephant remains as one of my two favorite tank destroyers from WW2 (the other being Hetzer). There's just something about its big size, quirky design, odd boxy look, and the history of being spawned from a losing tank design that just grab my interest... lol. x3
@romaboo6218 2 meses atrás
StuG 3 Aufs G
@Paciat 2 meses atrás
@@romaboo6218 Your mother. Stug III wasnt big, quirky nor designed on a chassis of a failed tank.
@HunterSteel29 2 meses atrás
@@romaboo6218 StuG isn't a Tank Destroyer, its an Assault Gun.
@TheTonytiger89 2 meses atrás
My favourites are rarely the best, something doesn’t have to be good to be endearing!
@thatdude1435 Mês atrás
@@Paciat the hetzer was smaller than a stug
@TheBrandon40500 2 meses atrás
Always loved the elephant despite its many flaws it was a powerful and wicked looking beast.
@jonowens460 2 meses atrás
All the Big Katz were horribly Beautiful ❤️😂
@HiTechOilCo Mês atrás
"wicked looking"? It's a good thing that has absolutely nothing to do with combat effectiveness.
@stevehill4615 2 meses atrás
The part of the Ferdinand/Elephant story i've never quite understood is how Porshe was able to get away with and also his confidence in getting the Tiger contract that 100 hulls were produced.
@TrollOfReason 2 meses atrás
Because Porche considered himself a genius, which isn't being unkind. The man was rich within a highly hierarchical society, driven to skirt the Versailles treaty limitations & he had powerful political connections. Plus, the Nazis had a very loose, permissive relationship with German industry & the capitalist class. If the Nazis got their bribes & their weapons, they'd supply slaves & state money, & be largely hands off with the industrial sector.
@ConeOfArc 2 meses atrás
You should definitely watch my previous video on the Tiger (P) in that case. The common misconception that he ordered them without approval is wrong
@nahuelleandroarroyo 2 meses atrás
Porsche was very close to the 3rd reich, that was no penalty was given
@TrollOfReason 2 meses atrás
@@ConeOfArc That is fair, & I'm guilty of hyperbole & lying for children. Sorry.
@Tomfooleryman57 2 meses atrás
Hey Cone, would you ever do a series or video on the Italian tank destroyers of WW2?
@NewRepublicTexas 2 meses atrás
Id like to see that
@frenzalrhomb6919 2 meses atrás
Name one. Betcha can't.
@amoistwalrus2739 2 meses atrás
75/34 m43
@decemberheat3708 2 meses atrás
I love this tank destroyer. it gets a bad wrap but it is actually an awesome killing machine. As you said, it may be the most successful tank destroyer of the war. It is a truly creative unit, being both the result of innovation, rejection, and improvisation. To be tested under such conditions is highly unusual so this tank deserves the utmost respect.
@rdallas81 2 meses atrás
That title belongs to STUG.
@admiraltiberius1989 2 meses atrás
I remember reading/hearing one story about the Elephant at Kursk, from David Fletcher i think, how a Heer company that used the Elephant sat back and hammered oncoming Soviet armor and took zero losses. Meanwhile a SS Company that'd converted from towed AT guns charged around, got picked off one by one and was eventually destroyed.
@sinisterthoughts2896 2 meses atrás
I suppose that serves as an example of the difference of fighting with discipline vs fighting with zeal.
@ODST6262 2 meses atrás
The Waffen SS never used the Ferdinand/Elephant. Heer only.
@parker1ray Mês atrás
Often during war, things are rushed into service with short development time and hence bad reviews. Most of these vehicles were improved through the course of the war, and this was the case with the Ferdinand!
@guerrinlove3416 2 meses atrás
Good video man, learned a lot. The Ferdinand is one of those axis vehicles I knew about, but didnt really know about most of the details/specifications. I have always been a Porsche guy, so I love hearing more about the brain that created these beastly wartime machines. Respect to German engineering (the transmissions dont count lol)
@sadwingsraging3044 2 meses atrás
What speaks volumes to me is the fact that even with the known problems they had and the scheduling of the refitting is the fact they were held in place to fight rather than being sent back. To me that means the issues were nowhere near 'fatal flaws' territory and merely 'maintenance pig' headaches.
@Corellian_Smuggler 2 meses atrás
I remember seeing one of the surviving ones at Bovington Tank Museum next to the Tiger 2P. I had no idea it was on display that day and I've never been so excited...
@lunarvidar 2 meses atrás
Hey Cone, have you done a video on the Jagdpanzer 38(t)? If not, i would love to see one. From what ive seen, it doenst really get too much attention, and i just love the Hetzer so much to not hear its history
@wolfehoffmann2697 2 meses atrás
What? Doesn't get much attention? Everyone and their brother has done a video or two about the Jagdpanzer 38(t) except for Cone. Multiple videos from Chieftain, both major tank museums in Europe, Military History Visualized, Spookston, and more. Go to almost any of them to learn why it's also not really called a Hetzer as well.
@robertharris6092 18 dias atrás
The hetzer is likely the most talked about tank destroyer.
@datpieceofbread9570 2 meses atrás
I remember talking to a member of the 653rd. He said that between STuG, JgPz6(P), and Jagdtiger, the JgPz6(P) was the unit's favorite. It was a bit overweight, but it was significantly better than Jagdtiger with a more efficient gun, it was more survivable and comfortable than STuG, and when they needed to bail out, everyone had a better chance to. My opinion of it is; of the heavy SPG's, it was probably the best; it's biggest issue being a heavy SPG, which was just a bad class to exist. Argument could be made for ISU series being better, but the driver and gunner situations are really bad
@SPSteve 2 meses atrás
Despite its issues, I'm a big fan of the Elephant. Like all German heavy armor of WWII, highly effective when operational but often needing extensive maintenance. I built a model of an Italian Elephant that I recently posted on my BRvid channel.
@marklopez8658 2 meses atrás
Imagine destroying a panzer 3 and a double kill display appears on your HUD for destroying the ferdinand
@Flacto-vs6np 2 meses atrás
imagjne the crew reporting how they lost their ferdinand
Better than anything you could do in War Thunder
@CrniWuk 7 dias atrás
What's interesting is that the Historican Herman Töppel had the chance to talk to a lot of German tankers who serverd in various vehicles, like the Tiger I, Panther and also the Ferdinand. He mentioned that the Ferdinand crews actually liked the tank quite a bit. Most likely due to the security the tank provided due to the thick armor and powerfull gun. Mechanically the tank might have been a night mare but if you know that your tank is difficult to destroy I guess that counts for something. Töppel also mentioned that the Russians have been pretty impressed by Ferdinand as well. Not so much by the Panther though.
The ferdinand, I think I read somewhere in the official US army account of the second world war that it had a bitch specific issue of needing to often work blindsided due to the armor you were often forced to work blind, wish I remembered the exact book I read it in
@matt0xx76 2 meses atrás
I have the hardback version of the combat history of heavy tank destroyer battalion 653 and the research and photography in that book are second to none , wasn't cheap at £80 when published but worth every penny
@abyssus9304 2 meses atrás
Part of the reasons for the loses was the Ferdinand being used to push assaults instead of its intended role as a defensive unit.
It was an informative and wonderful introduction video about Ferdinand anti-tank vehicles ..German designed it as a fast responsive to the ward's higher quantity of Soviets T-34 tanks in east front... thank you for sharing
@joeavent5554 Mês atrás
The 88mm gun is mounted within a casement which sits atop the superstructure which of course is affixed to the chassis. I flinched when the narrator called the casemate a superstructure. The hull and suspension make up the chassis.
@fro99er2 2 meses atrás
great video, i learned a bunch about the Ferdinand
@user-hn3vt3mj8t 2 meses atrás
hello coneofarc i have been watching your youtube channel for a while now and i wanted to thank you for making such good videos!
@stoneylonesome4062 2 meses atrás
It would’ve been much more reliable if they just gave it a 3.0 litre air cooled, 6-cylinder boxer mounted behind the rear axle driving the rear wheels.
@roastedsand5917 2 meses atrás
As it mention in the video, the Engine was proven, since it has been used in Panzer III and IV But the rush conversion cause lot of issue, like fuel and engine overheating do to bad layout Also since it was a Hybrid, the one who move the tank was electric motor not the engine it self
@JoshuaC923 2 meses atrás
And called the 911?😂
@filmandfirearms 2 meses atrás
@@roastedsand5917 It wasn't a hybrid, it was a petrol-electric drive. A hybrid, in one way or another, uses both an ICE and electric motor to drive the vehicle. A petrol-electric just uses a gas engine to generate electricity, it serves no other purpose
@roastedsand5917 2 meses atrás
@@filmandfirearms yeah i know that, i should say Petrol-Electric But it slip into my mind about that BMW hybrid car i saw on TV when write that comment, so i write Hybrid instead Petrol-Electric 😅😂
@jimjamauto 2 meses atrás
@@JoshuaC923 Ferdinand Carrera
@carlsterum6029 Mês atrás
I could imagine that it would have been a very ideal tank destroyer it is impossible to pen from the front, atleast by allied guns in the war.
@syahareensharani6869 2 meses atrás
Fritz: Hans we need better transmission Hans: More armor you say ? Fritz: Nien better transmission Hans: Bigger cannon you say ? Fritz: Goddamn it Hans Hans: Oh battleship cannons Fritz: ..... Ja Hans JAAAAAA
@brennanleadbetter9708 2 meses atrás
German engineering in a nutshell
@johnnycab8986 2 meses atrás
No one actually watched the video...
Its actually spelled nein and not nien.
@Demonslayer20111 Mês atrás
​@@johnnycab8986for real. All I see are comments spewing the same, wrong, misconceptions that are debunked in the video.
@ibalistichedge1098 2 meses atrás
I always wondered why they built these things instead of just building the hulls into complete Tiger P tanks instead since that seems like it would’ve been easier, quicker and that the better tested Tiger P design would theoretically have less issues.
@clothar23 2 meses atrás
Because that electrical transmission was a pipedream. Germany did not have the resources to build it and still supply the U-boats with their electrical engines. And the Kriegsmarine was very vocal in telling the Heer it could f off with stealing their stuff.
@Ulani101 2 meses atrás
They wanted the 88mm L71, and the Tiger turret was incapable of taking it. A fixed superstructure could.
@MatthewChenault 2 meses atrás
The Elephant is at Fort Lee, which also has a German railway gun (you can see that one from the roadside) and is close to the Petersburg National Battlefield Park.
@aldenconsolver3428 2 meses atrás
That was about the best they could have done with those hulls. I suspect they might have done more good in larger units, versus the way they dribbled them out a few here and a few there;
@alessiobubbles5345 2 meses atrás
Imagine being the radio operator during the battle of Kursk: you can't do anything except use the radio, you're stuck at the front with the overheating stressed engine, you are in the most vulnerable position and can't see much of the outside world😔
@gustaveliasson5395 2 meses atrás
To be fair, the radioman also had a machinegun, and was sitting behind a 200mm thick wall of armour. It wouldn't have been a great place to be, but as long as your unit isn't ordered ro change straight through a minefield and get itself surrounded by antifa... oh, wait... yeah, no, I wouldn't want to be a radioman in one of these things either.
I wouldn't want to be in one of these tanks, nevermind the position I find myself in lol.
@pavelslama5543 2 meses atrás
4:98 Yes, but you also have to count the hundreds of manhours required to produce the unique spare parts that only Ferdinands (and the single befelstiger Porsche) could use.
@leesander1802 2 meses atrás
Great as usual I am in the group that turning them into recovery and maintenance vehicles was a better option
@MGB-learning 25 dias atrás
Great tank, I was able to see the Elephant and climb inside. Wow, what a monster.
@skylerlentz9908 2 meses atrás
Top notch content as always cone ❤️
@Chris-dz3rs 22 dias atrás
In WOT ,it works very well as a somewhat mobile,long range sniper. Once you get in close however,they make easy targets
@abakedpotato239 2 meses atrás
awesome video very informative Would you do a video on the pvkv 2 someday?
@vynicle2284 2 meses atrás
15:28 Who would've known that the most effective Ferdinand killer was a Panzer III Turret
@assidiq178 2 meses atrás
nice video IMHO, Ferdinand/Elefant should be a side project for improving other things. kinda sad they are only good for defensive tactic rather offensive one
You know… the Ferdinands did at least something and had an ok reputation Even though everyone hates it
@firstcynic92 2 meses atrás
Watching the plants in the game footage lay down before the tank rolls over them, and even springing back up when the tank reverses is very funny.
@TheTyrantOfMars 2 meses atrás
From being young enough to read through books with my granpa I remember falling in love with this vehicle, it’s so unashamedly hideous and such a characteristically brutal response the advances of allied forces
It was a good way to reuse the already built hulls since scrapping them to build other tanks would have taken too long.
9:20 I think we need a video on the mechanism that's holding aloft 65 tons of weight there. Good god
@SabinStargem 2 meses atrás
I would like to make a documentary recommendation for Cone and others. It is a very dry series, that consists solely of genuine footage from WW2: "The Panzers", from the German War Files collection. There are about 9 hours to it, each video covering a category of German vehicle. Sadly there is no dedicated video for the Ferdinand, but there are two episodes focusing on the Stug and Hummel.
@TheArklyte 2 meses atrás
Tbh I sometimes wish to call it Jagdtiger because that's what it it by definition, unlike the later failure. And speaking of Jagdtiger, it makes all the claims about weight, transportation and reliability of Ferdinand/Elephant quite ironic by simply existing after it.
@Jesse-nl8tv Mês atrás
I love the Ferdinand //Elefant favorite armored vehicle of all time
@bkjeong4302 2 meses atrás
You know a tank is bad when the Jagdtiger is more reliable.
@pukalo 2 meses atrás
The Ferdinand/Elefant is my favourite German WWII vehicle, despite its quirks.
@adamhealy5635 2 meses atrás
You're telling me throughout the entire r&d process of creating these vehicles, they never thought of added just one single machine gun mount?😮
@kittehgo 2 meses atrás
I guess in the rush it was overlooked or they made the mistake thinking no infantry would get close..🤔
@sinisterthoughts2896 2 meses atrás
hyper rushed, and the design seemed to change quite a bit during their refit.
@HunterSteel29 2 meses atrás
Because the tanks were supposed to be used as Tank destroyers, not Assault Guns. But the army lacking any big tanks with thicc armour and big guns needed breakthrough vehicles so the Ferdis were used as Assault Guns instead. A role they were not intended for. The Germans should've taken a few hulls to design as assault guns (maybe using a 105mm gun instead of an 8.8cm gun) for breakthrough vehicles.
@adamhealy5635 2 meses atrás
​@@HunterSteel29 Yeah, all i'm saying is in hindsight, maybe the application of the American doctrine of putting at least one machine gun on every single vehicle that was put into service would have been wise. I'm sure Germany still had the industry to churn out mg 34s.
@clothar23 2 meses atrás
​@@adamhealy5635You're talking about a nation whose main combat arm was a bolt action rifle , who only issued automatic weapons to squad and platoon leaders , which still was using horse drawn wagons to haul most of their stuff around. And adding hull machine guns wouldn't have helped. You can't use a Tank Destroyer as an assault gun regardless whether or not it has machine guns or not.
@brooksmyers6044 2 meses atrás
I got to see the Ferdinand in Ft. Lee while I was there. it was truly a sight to behold!
@user-zm6sc6sy3w Mês atrás
Fascinating informative video thank you brother liked and subscribed
@1joshjosh1 Mês atrás
That that picture of the Tigers single bent piece(3 of them)80mm turret armor is cool.
@TrailerTrashBuddah 2 meses atrás
Ive always been curious how a tank like that gets flipped on its top
@thefirstkingdogo1126 2 meses atrás
So heavy if fell through the planet
About 50kg of TNT on one side could do it
@user-qf6yt3id3w 2 meses atrás
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Panzerjager Tiger (P) The Strong? I thought not. It’s not a story the Allies would tell you. It’s a Wehraboo legend.
@agentepolaris4914 2 meses atrás
No matter what people say, this big guy is my favorite WWII vehicle ever
@df8340 2 meses atrás
The biggest enemy is a slight incline or a hill. But still a 5-10% loss rate due to engine fires is not positive.
@lyndoncmp5751 2 meses atrás
No it isn't, but a 10:1 plus kill ratio very much is.
@danmorris8714 2 meses atrás
I figured the Sturmgeschutz 3 would've had the highest kill count due to longer service life, but that 88 is devastating.
@lyndoncmp5751 2 meses atrás
Its kill RATIO, as in the number of enemy tanks destroyed for each Ferdinand destroyed by enemy tanks. It was very high.
@johnCiulla375-tr7cz 2 meses atrás
Awesome video :) I love the Ferdinand can u do a vid on the bulldog or the french amxs
@salvagedb2470 2 meses atrás
For all its short comings I still like the Ferdinand , but coming in at 65 tons it wouldnt be worth recovering but they still tried.. it makes a great Model
@ODST6262 2 meses atrás
65 long tons I think. That is 2200 pounds per ton.
@mikepj67 2 meses atrás
Have a soft spot in my head for this design.
@robertsolomielke5134 2 meses atrás
The debut on Kursk saw minefields 3-5 Km deep, all covered by MG's , mortars, AT guns, with hordes of artillery waiting as last so not spoil the mines. A big reserve of T-34 's wait for their timely need if you break in. No wonder things did not go well for the brutes.
@whya2ndaccount 2 meses atrás
Arguably tank destroyers have continued, they are just now armed with ATGMs instead of guns.
@jarink1 2 meses atrás
There's relatively few ATGM-only vehicles these days.
@KRAMPUS_G60_16V 2 meses atrás
It would be even more superb if used properly and if they'd have time to fix the issues.
@thefirstkingdogo1126 2 meses atrás
Yea, to bad german was stuck in a arms race for tanks
Very interesting! Thanks The one thing I can’t figure out is why so many fell to infantry anti tank teams in Russia. They should have been 2km back well out of reach of infantry. The fact that infantry got anywhere close to them I think reveals doctrinal deficiencies
@sinisterthoughts2896 2 meses atrás
as he mentioned, they kept using them as assault tanks to break enemy lines. a very foolish use.
@clothar23 2 meses atrás
​@@sinisterthoughts2896 Foolish but necessary, the Heer didn't have many options when it came to breakthroughs. If their own infantry could have kept pace as well as light vehicles it might have worked. After all even the most die hard party member knew they weren't going to win a waiting game or a war of attrition with the Russians. Aggression was their only hope.
@herbertpocket8855 2 meses atrás
Could they have turned the hulls into more recovery vehicles for their tanks? That may have been a better option for em
@stephenfowlie742 2 meses atrás
Im probably wrong here but I believe the discrepancy with the production numbers is that 90 x Porsche Ferdinands were produced but also 1 x Porsche Tiger in its original configuration and was used as a command vehicle.
@bryannoyce 14 dias atrás
How to create a problem where there isn't one: "what are we going to do with all these tiger P chassis?" "What do you mean? Just finish them, put the Krupp turret on there and send them out" "well that doesn't seem very complicated? we're going to need a different plan."
@dennisswaim8210 Mês atrás
The necessity for the Germans of getting as many AFVs into action for the upcoming Kursk battle cause many problems for not only the Ferdinand but the Panther as well. Of these the lack of a bow machine gun was the most glaring. But the main problem for the Ferdinand was using them in a tactical roll they weren't suited for. Even as early as 43 the Germans were showing signs of desperation that forced them into some bad decisions.
@patangman2117 2 meses atrás
The greatest flaw was the lack of combat testing. The inability to reduce some of the issues with the design, together with its assault talk role, doomed much of its further use.
@TheKamiran85 2 meses atrás
You have a tank which is used best in a defensive, hidden position and kill the enemy at big range. Both, being hidden and being far away, lessens the need for big armor. Staying with 100mm and simply angling it at 45° would protect the tank against 98% the enemy can field. This would save at least 5-6 tons of weight. And a tank destroyer, which always needs to face an enemy don't need much side armour, also saving like 5 tons...
@@TheKamiran85 incorrect, the Ferdinand/Elefant was an offensive vehicles explicitly stated as a offensive vehicle and used as an offensive vehicle. Many people do not understand the doctrine of a tank destroyer, let alone a Heavy Tank Destroyer special role. As stated by German doctrine, a Heavy Tank Destroyer is not a towed gun, it is NOT a static weapon platform and should not be used as such. It is a mobile element. Now what makes it offensive? It’s an Breakthrough Support vehicle. When on offensive breakthrough is to be commenced, speed, surprise and firepower are needed to crush the enemy. Speed puts the enemy in a state of shock allowing for exploitation, surprise catches the enemy off guard and unprepared, firepower allows the destruction of enemy assets. What are the man components of a breakthrough? The tank specifically made for that, Heavy Breakthrough Tanks, Tigers. If not available, then just medium tank. The breakthrough tanks gain in its simplest form is to destroy the enemy defense and make a gap in the enemy defensive line for exploitation. Now where does the Elefant come in? Well, when breakthrough tanks attempt to make a breakthrough, what might the enemy do? They’d likely send tanks as a countermeasure. Why is this an issue for breakthrough tanks? Breakthrough tanks are to focus on making a breakthrough, creating a gap in the enemy line, the more time they spend fighting, the more time is wasted and enemy reserves can replace losses, they can regroup and reorganize a defense making the attack fail, they can allow time for better rear line defenses so that if the frontline breaks though, it’s grinds to a halt and becomes stagnant by the next defensive line. Additionally fighting enemy tanks mean potentially higher losses of friendly tanks, thus meaning loss in overall firepower, less firepower means it’s less capabilities to breakthrough, weaker capabilities means less chance to win, or more time wasted to win. Lastly surprise, the more time is wasted, the less surprise takes effect, if the attack takes too long because the breakthrough tanks now have to deal with enemy tanks and the front line defenses, the enemy is not in a much larger advantage. Ferdinand/Elefant are to relieve the workload on the breakthrough tanks, they are to go on the offensive WITH breakthrough tanks, when enemy tanks are to arrive to counter the breakthrough force, the heavy tank destroyers would relieve the stress and deal with enemy tanks while the breakthrough force focuses on destroying enemy defenses quickly. That is THE purpose of ALL German Heavy tank destroyers including the Jagdpanther, and Jagdtiger, even in 1944 with Wacht am Rhein (Battle of the Bulge), the Jagdtiger was deployed there for specifically that purpose. The reason it has thick armor is because it’s a frontline vehicle made for the offensive assault, it is NOT an assault gun, it’s a tank destroyer meant to support friendly breakthrough tanks by reducing their workload. It’s purpose is best suited for the offensive, it was used in the offensive well when the idiotic generals didn’t fuck up the doctrine, and it does well in a defensive. It is NOT a defensively orientated vehicle
Look to my reply to the other guy, you are incorrect with the assault tank role you described
@margareteadie8941 Mês atrás
I wonder what kill rate, it would have got,if it worked and was used correctly.
@mateopandolfo2375 2 meses atrás
nice video cone! quick unrelated question, i remember watching some streams of you and pompom, what happened to her? why did she quit streaming and youtube?
@strongback6550 2 meses atrás
Ferdinand stands in the position in terms of armor and armament where it can pretty effectively bully most tanks that existed, so it stands to reason that it would get a pretty respectable kill-count when deployed correctly. Let's say you got your tank column halted on the road and one of these peeks out from like 2 kilometers. What would you even reasonably expect to have that can return fire on it? An SU-152? You can only drop smoke and wait for air strike or artillery in that scenario.
It’s armour isn’t much different to the Tiger one so any calibre above 75mm will be able to pen in the right situation
In the "kill ratio" calculation they should include all the Panzer IVs or Stugs that could have been built instead.
@richardbell7678 2 meses atrás
The biggest improvement that was missed when converting the Tiger (P) hulls to tank destroyers was Porsche admitting that it was never going to reach its designed speed and swapping out the final drive gearing for something that would allow the motors to run cooler for the same power to the treads. Heat generated in the DC electric motors is proportional to the square of the torque and power is torque times the motor speed. Producing the same power at a higher motor speed drastically lowers the cooling requirements for the motors, by lowering the torque needed to produce the same power.
@irondog068 2 meses atrás
I thought the Chieftan said the M18 Hellcat was the most deadly tank destroyer.
@hafenbraut 2 meses atrás
I think that given the fact that Porsche was so sure his design was superior, and already "wasted" significant resources on building the hulls in anticipation of them becoming the Tiger, using them to create the Ferdinand/Elefant wasn't a bad idea in general. If it could have been a light variant is up for debate, but in essence the mistakes were made early on and kinda made this vehicle (or another one like it) to reuse the hulls inevitable.
@Dreachon 2 meses atrás
There was no 'Porsche being so sure his design was superior' that is just pop history nonsense, the reality is that Porsche got a full contract from the Waffenamt for 101 vehicles.
@hafenbraut 2 meses atrás
@@Dreachon You are indeed correct. Should have done my homework properly ;) In that case, blame of course shifts to the HWA. Luckily for me, this does not affect my conclusion at least.
@unbekannternr.1353 2 meses atrás
Even Tiger One would have been a hybrid according to Ferdi, and only nowadays we realize how unimagineably stupid it becoms to generate another kind of energy from one You already have.
@janosgrobits4673 2 meses atrás
To say that the Ferdinand did not have close defensive armaments is a faulty assumption. It is a fact that it did not have a ball-maunted MG, but it had pistolports from which they could fire . It was also equipped with several Mp40 machine guns (and maybi an mg43 ?? ).
@thethirdman225 7 dias atrás
The problem with the Ferdinand was that the whole concept was flawed and the Heer didn’t want it. They were forced to accept it and fit it into their battle planning. It soaked up too many resources and was too limited in its capabilities to be of much use. In short, there wasn’t much it could do that couldn’t already be done by a carriage mounted 88mm PaK43.
@Ausf.Afrikakorps 2 meses atrás
I think the Jagdpanther was the best tank (destroyer) of WW2. The best gun, the KwK 43 combined with good mobility, low profile and sloped frontal armor.
It’s my fav vehicle in War Thunder. The long barrelled 88 can usually one shot almost everything and it’s got enough armour that it can bounce some shots. It’s also pretty quick compared to the Tiger and Panther. The Nashorn is also great but easy pickings for aircraft
@thomasatteneder3953 22 dias atrás
I live in St. Valentin/Austria next to the "Nibelungenwerk". Today it´s a tractor factory still using some of the original buildings remaining.
@dluff 28 dias atrás
From all the materials used for these vehicles I wonder how many Hetzers could instead been built ?
Ferdi is just the definition of "make do"
@ethanjones9078 2 meses atrás
Are there any more books like that goes into the specifics of a tank or unit that book is very interesting
@ryanbarker5217 Mês atrás
i think anyone would have made the decision to use the hulls instead of scrapping them. we only know how good a decision it is in hindsight, but when you don't have that luxury you're probably going to do what they did.
@leongt1954 22 dias atrás
It was ment to be mobile artillery but then put into service as a tank killer
@kittehgo 2 meses atrás
Being tired as it's morning here, I was wondering why the heck the germans had a lot of holes left over. Then it clicked Cone had said Hull's and not Holes 😸
@paulfrantizek102 2 meses atrás
Nashorn was overall a better way to give mobility to the big 88.
@thethirdman225 7 dias atrás
Far too vulnerable. All those open top vehicles, like the Marder and the Hummel had the same problem.
Over 4% failure rate due to engine fire is actually quite a bit, statisticslly speaking.
@ThemightyEnterprise 2 meses atrás
why dosent porche make these anymore, sad face, much better than the sports cars also, can you do a video on the jumbo or jackson?
@cowgoesmoo3850 2 meses atrás
I agree. MUCH better than sports cars 😝😝
Not even close
@GavinMFR 2 meses atrás
Still a relatively nice tank.
Yeah but in defence it did pretty well just like the nashorn
@tiguan1964 2 meses atrás
Kevin wheatfield has one being restored from parts and pieces also
@sherman790 2 meses atrás
To me the Ferdinand/Elephant where great tanks but the problem was their way they use it if they didn't use them as assualt and intead follow the tiger tanks they might be able to remain in service
@TheKamiran85 2 meses atrás
I think best use would be simply in following the spearhead with some infantry cover. If the faster mobile forces fight hard resistance, they only need to hold the line, till Ferdinands arrive and support the attack. If the attack is repelled, any counter attack would run into the waiting Ferdinand and could be crushed.
@SargentoDuke 2 meses atrás
Lol you forget that the vehicles were upgraded with 2x realiable maybach powerplants each, but they weighted a lot and can be flanked... but people forgot that one more special vehicle were commanding an defending the Elephants... A FREAKING TIGER P, with the new engine and armor upgrades as the Elephants, but more agile and with a turret... a tank that can reverse at full speed, soviet soldiers talk about a ghost invencible even for the 85mm guns, that Tiger that atacked and dissapeared at same speed over the years... but soviets concentrated forces and finally destroyed it. What is the only Tiger1 that can stop 85mm shoots and reverse at same speed as forward? it actually existed, not only the war histories and the myth... we had pictures of it. It was the elephants command vehicle, the Tiger P 003... so it actually was freaking hard to flank the elephants until they destroyed that TigerP... imagine the Kill Ratio of that Tiger Porsche that had 200mm front armor and Two Maybach powerplants. So it actually was very hard to flank the Elephants with a freaking upgraded TigerP commanding them until soviets completly destroyed it.
@robertwilkinson2232 9 dias atrás
Would have been much more effective hidden Away camouflaged taking out enemy vehicles from distance. Then move before alrcaft brought in
@davidfoster8172 Mês atrás
wow, i thought they were mostly in kursk offensive. i had no idea 2 survived for battle for berlin
@edi9892 2 meses atrás
I would have preferred Hetzer and Jagdtpanther as tank destroyers. Both were lighter, more mobile, and more reliable. Overall, I think they were the better designs. Still, I'd like to mention the Jagdttiger as the closer competitor to the Elephant...
@TheKamiran85 2 meses atrás
Agree. Both have greatly angled armor and good guns. A much better total package. Shifting all tank hunter concepts to those two, a light and a heavy tank hunter, would have been the best solution for the third Reich.