A Mechanics Nightmare, the Ferdinand | Cursed by Design 

Can you cover the porche JadgTiger 2, it's the one with the porshe styled suspension there's one in Bovington but i can not find info on the reasons why it was used other than it being experimental/available

Cool vid, as always! How about analyzing the TR-125 P? I'd like to see your opinion on this tank. I'm no expert on heavy military vehicles, but I'd say it is a pretty good hardware, even for nowadays standards.

Hey,can you please do a jagdtiger video

I really challenge you to provide a primary source were it's written that Germans used five Famos on a single tank. Those fuckers had a towing capacity of 28 to 35 tons and a very powerful engine driven winch!

@@HaVoC117X as the pop-up said in the video there is a photograph of it happening

Fixing complexity *with MORE complexity the German way!*

they took “bigger is better” a bit too seriously

They say that the german tank weight graphic only goes up

They were big fans of Giles Corey.

​@@warlloverespanol2897As for any other country.

If so then it should be mobile, cause in defense the enemy decides where it attacks. It is a shit tank destroyer if it cant arrive in time to prepare an ambush and the kill count dosnt change that. Cause youre just adding 0:0 most of the time.

It WAS. Kursk only lasted a short period of July 1943. From August 1943, through 1944 and even into early 1945 the Ferdinand/Elefant WAS used very successfully in a defensive tank destroyer role by and large. A few even made it back to help defend Berlin.

​@lyndoncmp5751 when the Elephant was given to former stug crews who used it like one it was very successful. They were able to pick their targets off at range it wasn't meant to be used like a tank despite the armour.

@@johnludmon7419 Exactly. After Kursk, the Ferdinand was used as a long range anti tank sniper, particularly in the defensive fighting of the River Dnieper bend battles. It took a long time for the rest of the Ferdinands to be lost. They lasted well into and through 1944 and even into 1945.

No, the highest Kill Ratio was the Commander of the Elephants unit... the Tiger P 003, that had the same new reliable engines and the 200 front armor like a elephant but more agile and with turret... but is was destroyed on a rush of an orde of T34s to hunt them from killing the tanks that tried to surround the Elephants... there was a lot of war histories about that tiger and there is even a movie, and actually we had real pictures about it, sad it was lost in the tundra.

​@@KuK137Looks like we just found Putin's personal BRvid account 😂

Huh... Sounds identical to the current Russian tactic in Ukraine lmao

Ah, as opposed to the brilliant russian strategy of displaying utter incompetence, corrupt military leadership and embarassing oneself completely in front of the whole world, against a much, much smaller, militarily much weaker nation😂 @@KuK137

Desperate,but Kursk is very early on the war ,They still have few offensive after Kursk aren't they?

​@@junibug6790they might be exageratting on numbers, but the new offensive on the south is (at the very least) terrible. Barely any gains, alot of casualties. And no, just cus I'm saying Ukraine is doing bad (on this part of the war) doesn't mean I support Russia.

StuG 3 Aufs G

@@romaboo6218 Your mother. Stug III wasnt big, quirky nor designed on a chassis of a failed tank.

@@romaboo6218 StuG isn't a Tank Destroyer, its an Assault Gun.

My favourites are rarely the best, something doesn’t have to be good to be endearing!

@@Paciat the hetzer was smaller than a stug

All the Big Katz were horribly Beautiful ❤️😂

"wicked looking"? It's a good thing that has absolutely nothing to do with combat effectiveness.

Because Porche considered himself a genius, which isn't being unkind. The man was rich within a highly hierarchical society, driven to skirt the Versailles treaty limitations & he had powerful political connections. Plus, the Nazis had a very loose, permissive relationship with German industry & the capitalist class. If the Nazis got their bribes & their weapons, they'd supply slaves & state money, & be largely hands off with the industrial sector.

You should definitely watch my previous video on the Tiger (P) in that case. The common misconception that he ordered them without approval is wrong

Porsche was very close to the 3rd reich, that was no penalty was given

@@ConeOfArc That is fair, & I'm guilty of hyperbole & lying for children. Sorry.

Id like to see that

Name one. Betcha can't.

75/34 m43

That title belongs to STUG.

I suppose that serves as an example of the difference of fighting with discipline vs fighting with zeal.

The Waffen SS never used the Ferdinand/Elephant. Heer only.

What? Doesn't get much attention? Everyone and their brother has done a video or two about the Jagdpanzer 38(t) except for Cone. Multiple videos from Chieftain, both major tank museums in Europe, Military History Visualized, Spookston, and more. Go to almost any of them to learn why it's also not really called a Hetzer as well. brvid.net?search_query=jagdpanzer+38(t)

The hetzer is likely the most talked about tank destroyer.

imagjne the crew reporting how they lost their ferdinand

Better than anything you could do in War Thunder

As it mention in the video, the Engine was proven, since it has been used in Panzer III and IV But the rush conversion cause lot of issue, like fuel and engine overheating do to bad layout Also since it was a Hybrid, the one who move the tank was electric motor not the engine it self

And called the 911?😂

@@roastedsand5917 It wasn't a hybrid, it was a petrol-electric drive. A hybrid, in one way or another, uses both an ICE and electric motor to drive the vehicle. A petrol-electric just uses a gas engine to generate electricity, it serves no other purpose

@@filmandfirearms yeah i know that, i should say Petrol-Electric But it slip into my mind about that BMW hybrid car i saw on TV when write that comment, so i write Hybrid instead Petrol-Electric 😅😂

@@JoshuaC923 Ferdinand Carrera

German engineering in a nutshell

No one actually watched the video...

Its actually spelled nein and not nien.

​@@johnnycab8986for real. All I see are comments spewing the same, wrong, misconceptions that are debunked in the video.

Because that electrical transmission was a pipedream. Germany did not have the resources to build it and still supply the U-boats with their electrical engines. And the Kriegsmarine was very vocal in telling the Heer it could f off with stealing their stuff.

They wanted the 88mm L71, and the Tiger turret was incapable of taking it. A fixed superstructure could.

To be fair, the radioman also had a machinegun, and was sitting behind a 200mm thick wall of armour. It wouldn't have been a great place to be, but as long as your unit isn't ordered ro change straight through a minefield and get itself surrounded by antifa... oh, wait... yeah, no, I wouldn't want to be a radioman in one of these things either.

I wouldn't want to be in one of these tanks, nevermind the position I find myself in lol.

I guess in the rush it was overlooked or they made the mistake thinking no infantry would get close..🤔

hyper rushed, and the design seemed to change quite a bit during their refit.

Because the tanks were supposed to be used as Tank destroyers, not Assault Guns. But the army lacking any big tanks with thicc armour and big guns needed breakthrough vehicles so the Ferdis were used as Assault Guns instead. A role they were not intended for. The Germans should've taken a few hulls to design as assault guns (maybe using a 105mm gun instead of an 8.8cm gun) for breakthrough vehicles.

​@@HunterSteel29 Yeah, all i'm saying is in hindsight, maybe the application of the American doctrine of putting at least one machine gun on every single vehicle that was put into service would have been wise. I'm sure Germany still had the industry to churn out mg 34s.

​@@adamhealy5635You're talking about a nation whose main combat arm was a bolt action rifle , who only issued automatic weapons to squad and platoon leaders , which still was using horse drawn wagons to haul most of their stuff around. And adding hull machine guns wouldn't have helped. You can't use a Tank Destroyer as an assault gun regardless whether or not it has machine guns or not.

So heavy if fell through the planet

About 50kg of TNT on one side could do it

No it isn't, but a 10:1 plus kill ratio very much is.

Its kill RATIO, as in the number of enemy tanks destroyed for each Ferdinand destroyed by enemy tanks. It was very high.

65 long tons I think. That is 2200 pounds per ton.

There's relatively few ATGM-only vehicles these days.

Yea, to bad german was stuck in a arms race for tanks

as he mentioned, they kept using them as assault tanks to break enemy lines. a very foolish use.

​@@sinisterthoughts2896 Foolish but necessary, the Heer didn't have many options when it came to breakthroughs. If their own infantry could have kept pace as well as light vehicles it might have worked. After all even the most die hard party member knew they weren't going to win a waiting game or a war of attrition with the Russians. Aggression was their only hope.

You have a tank which is used best in a defensive, hidden position and kill the enemy at big range. Both, being hidden and being far away, lessens the need for big armor. Staying with 100mm and simply angling it at 45° would protect the tank against 98% the enemy can field. This would save at least 5-6 tons of weight. And a tank destroyer, which always needs to face an enemy don't need much side armour, also saving like 5 tons...

@@TheKamiran85 incorrect, the Ferdinand/Elefant was an offensive vehicles explicitly stated as a offensive vehicle and used as an offensive vehicle. Many people do not understand the doctrine of a tank destroyer, let alone a Heavy Tank Destroyer special role. As stated by German doctrine, a Heavy Tank Destroyer is not a towed gun, it is NOT a static weapon platform and should not be used as such. It is a mobile element. Now what makes it offensive? It’s an Breakthrough Support vehicle. When on offensive breakthrough is to be commenced, speed, surprise and firepower are needed to crush the enemy. Speed puts the enemy in a state of shock allowing for exploitation, surprise catches the enemy off guard and unprepared, firepower allows the destruction of enemy assets. What are the man components of a breakthrough? The tank specifically made for that, Heavy Breakthrough Tanks, Tigers. If not available, then just medium tank. The breakthrough tanks gain in its simplest form is to destroy the enemy defense and make a gap in the enemy defensive line for exploitation. Now where does the Elefant come in? Well, when breakthrough tanks attempt to make a breakthrough, what might the enemy do? They’d likely send tanks as a countermeasure. Why is this an issue for breakthrough tanks? Breakthrough tanks are to focus on making a breakthrough, creating a gap in the enemy line, the more time they spend fighting, the more time is wasted and enemy reserves can replace losses, they can regroup and reorganize a defense making the attack fail, they can allow time for better rear line defenses so that if the frontline breaks though, it’s grinds to a halt and becomes stagnant by the next defensive line. Additionally fighting enemy tanks mean potentially higher losses of friendly tanks, thus meaning loss in overall firepower, less firepower means it’s less capabilities to breakthrough, weaker capabilities means less chance to win, or more time wasted to win. Lastly surprise, the more time is wasted, the less surprise takes effect, if the attack takes too long because the breakthrough tanks now have to deal with enemy tanks and the front line defenses, the enemy is not in a much larger advantage. Ferdinand/Elefant are to relieve the workload on the breakthrough tanks, they are to go on the offensive WITH breakthrough tanks, when enemy tanks are to arrive to counter the breakthrough force, the heavy tank destroyers would relieve the stress and deal with enemy tanks while the breakthrough force focuses on destroying enemy defenses quickly. That is THE purpose of ALL German Heavy tank destroyers including the Jagdpanther, and Jagdtiger, even in 1944 with Wacht am Rhein (Battle of the Bulge), the Jagdtiger was deployed there for specifically that purpose. The reason it has thick armor is because it’s a frontline vehicle made for the offensive assault, it is NOT an assault gun, it’s a tank destroyer meant to support friendly breakthrough tanks by reducing their workload. It’s purpose is best suited for the offensive, it was used in the offensive well when the idiotic generals didn’t fuck up the doctrine, and it does well in a defensive. It is NOT a defensively orientated vehicle

Look to my reply to the other guy, you are incorrect with the assault tank role you described

It’s armour isn’t much different to the Tiger one so any calibre above 75mm will be able to pen in the right situation

There was no 'Porsche being so sure his design was superior' that is just pop history nonsense, the reality is that Porsche got a full contract from the Waffenamt for 101 vehicles.

@@Dreachon You are indeed correct. Should have done my homework properly ;) In that case, blame of course shifts to the HWA. Luckily for me, this does not affect my conclusion at least.

It’s my fav vehicle in War Thunder. The long barrelled 88 can usually one shot almost everything and it’s got enough armour that it can bounce some shots. It’s also pretty quick compared to the Tiger and Panther. The Nashorn is also great but easy pickings for aircraft

Far too vulnerable. All those open top vehicles, like the Marder and the Hummel had the same problem.

I agree. MUCH better than sports cars 😝😝

Not even close

I think best use would be simply in following the spearhead with some infantry cover. If the faster mobile forces fight hard resistance, they only need to hold the line, till Ferdinands arrive and support the attack. If the attack is repelled, any counter attack would run into the waiting Ferdinand and could be crushed.

Lol you forget that the vehicles were upgraded with 2x realiable maybach powerplants each, but they weighted a lot and can be flanked... but people forgot that one more special vehicle were commanding an defending the Elephants... A FREAKING TIGER P, with the new engine and armor upgrades as the Elephants, but more agile and with a turret... a tank that can reverse at full speed, soviet soldiers talk about a ghost invencible even for the 85mm guns, that Tiger that atacked and dissapeared at same speed over the years... but soviets concentrated forces and finally destroyed it. What is the only Tiger1 that can stop 85mm shoots and reverse at same speed as forward? it actually existed, not only the war histories and the myth... we had pictures of it. It was the elephants command vehicle, the Tiger P 003... so it actually was freaking hard to flank the elephants until they destroyed that TigerP... imagine the Kill Ratio of that Tiger Porsche that had 200mm front armor and Two Maybach powerplants. So it actually was very hard to flank the Elephants with a freaking upgraded TigerP commanding them until soviets completly destroyed it.

Agree. Both have greatly angled armor and good guns. A much better total package. Shifting all tank hunter concepts to those two, a light and a heavy tank hunter, would have been the best solution for the third Reich.