Minecraft's Biggest Cheater Just Made A Shocking Confession...

This is why I cant speedrun anything...too many cheaters. You think you caught them all...but no...never. Theres always another way.

@Zlatko Lon you are in my book

Please note that I am not a legend, so stop calling me like one.

common Karl W

Vitamins from Alex Jones are much better for you *and* your skin.

I was thinking of someone who purposely cheats just to see if they can get away with it. He cheats to the best of his ability the first day and than if he gets caught, he looks at the feedback given from other players. And obvious things he could’ve changed, After that he cheats again but he improves it. He continuously does this until the run is so perfect that it’s almost unrecognizable as a cheat, he plays a few games legitimately to throw people off- idk I just thought it would be interesting.

Lol

​@Joseph Still a tas can include a mod that increases odds for stuff, like a data pack that makes 1/1e90 chances happen every time

@Joseph Still not quite. What TASers do is that they simply replay the part of the game that requires RNG over and over until the desired outcome happen, aka re-recording . You don't see the skip in the final TAS because most TAS tools/emus with TAS tools can just load states or go back in time. Note that TASers have a few more tools than just that like slow motion or advancing frame per frame selecting inputs manually.

Cheating% is, by definition, TAS. I think above all else, the speedrunning community should stop with the mindless worship of luck and improvision and appreciate the efffort and skill TAS also requires.

That’s why tas exist

I just want to see the armies of dream supporters get their fingers out to defend monecravenger ;)

The community stans the big fish and crush the smallers.

he knew because he use it XD

How about just not cheating?

@Jacob Shirley narcissistic people always prioritize their own live over others, they love themselves so much that everything else is not so important, it's not just the way they look, it's loving most things about them in a exaggerated manner and depending on the grade it can be just having small priorities when taking choices, or it could be not accepting any criticism against them for their bad actions.

For the same reason they cheat, pride.

It would make no difference to me. Cheaters are trash, I don't care what reasons they had to be trash.

@Stomping Peak huh? huh? huh? huh? huh? huh? huh? huh? huh? huh? huh? huh?

@a wise man a wise man once said "what is this jenga tower of cheaters"

Dream helped catch drem and then this bruh what ia this jenga tower of cheaters

yes and no. I mean after watching cheaters and knowing how they play you can sometimes spot it. but its rare

Reminds me of election data experts

unfortunately most of the cheated runs you find are clickbait or obvious jokes so it's hard to find the serious ones

lmao I hate cheaters but this lowkey makes me wanna test how long it would take ppl to notice if I was cheating (not gonna but i am curious)

@JoJoVersus well make it again

you can search up for runs like big tony and drem did but most of faked speedruns videos are clickbait nowadays

He already made that video

@Laezar exactly

So basically penn & teller "fool us" but for speedruns?

@Super Cyclone That already exists - there's a datapack that removes almost all RNG (drop rates, dragon perch, mobs) which people do runs using.

It also lets people get better at finding cheats

I agree! One, that sounds entertaining to watch, and two, it's a good outlet for cheating. There could also be a reduced RNG category where loot and dragon behaviors are made more consistent through a community chosen resource pack. I would never try speed running minecraft now because of all the RNG on top of the high skill ceiling, but something like this would help.

That really does sum it up

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@NobleLaika 😂😂😂

I would imagine it as "this player is cheating. No that player is cheating"

@kraptastic333 prestige was just overall a masterpiece

The only thing that makes it truly difficult is that there are so many small details to fix that most will fail. At least until someone is caught because of those and they learn from there But they have to consistently do it regardless.

Dolphins AI turns off when the player gets far enough away. I don’t know if that is relevant, by just a weird fact

@zartex krontaculys I have never played Minecraft but speed running any game is always interesting to watch and also how people try to cheat them.

@Hannes Steffenhagen no I didn't realize that why, oh. Ohhh...

@zartex krontaculys you do realise that this channel covers a bunch of topics related to speedrunning, not just Minecraft right?

Why are you watching a minecraft cheating video if you don't even play the game 💀

bruh jack the ripper

This is the Zodiac Speaking...

Dang we really live in the worst timeline

😂

yep, I wouldn't be surprised if there's not a single run on the leader boards that's legit.

tbh moment he said there was more cheating first thing I thought of was the gravel manipulation. Unfortunately that one wouldn't mater cause you can keep replaying the seed til it happens unless streaming. Then it becomes very easily caught. But basically look how instinctual it was for him to just immediately use it vs trying to reset it or redo the gravel.

Minecraftavngr even mentions some runners he suspects are cheating, because of how many good runs there runners get in a short period of time

@Reagan Dow they get that entitlement from their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. this generation ain't special, mate.

@Reagan Dow because they can. People are dumb enough to care about "competitive minecraft speedrunning" (impossible to say without laughing), why not cheat? :P

Yeah, exposing yourself that way isn't something most people have the balls to do

@Trackpad "decade-long elite level career" ....clearly it wasnt "elite level" if they have to cheat 😮‍💨

@Proxima Oh cool, that's clever and simple.

@blargg The RNG is given to the player from an external server, so this would be detectable by observing the run and noticing mismatches between the recorded roll and what actually happens in the run

@Proxima Couldn't the cheater just mod the auditing code to make it look like nothing is wrong with the rolls?

Wasn't there only one major trackmania cheating scandal? Outside of maybe really early on (like almost a decade ago), just the one with some players playing at half-speed while off-stream because the replay recorder system didn't track that particular variable? The developers fixed that one issue in the patch and there hasn't been any problem since, because the game's deterministic physics, accurate replay recording system, and how easy it is to verify runs using those tools.

No no don't scrutinize my older runs. They were legit I promise.

Cheating is wrong. PERIOD.

Nonsense reasons, as obviously none of those require you to then go and upload it to the internet and earn prestige/money from pretending like you're doing it legit. You can completely get away with learning and adjusting the code, and having fun with your code changing results, to give you more time to spend on other parts of your life, by playing singleplayer/private and/or being open about it when uploading videos about it in public.

@intrnl It would stand if MinecrAvenger wasn't too incompetent to get away with it, yeah

@Displayer yeah, but no one caught him until way later, so his reasoning still stands, don't you think?

@GammaJK This is why I like set seed runs

@GammaJK Yeah, that's an interesting idea. There's probably people who deserve to be way higher on the Minecraft leader boards, but just aren't because of bad RNG. And there's certainly people who shouldn't be as high as they are on the leader boards, but good RNG just put them there. significantly increasing the luck so players can just mostly test their skill if they so choose is a good solution. Either that, or you may just have to find a new game to speed run that's not so luck dependent.

@Steven, A.D. Exactly, I think speedrunning just gets boring when it's entirely dependent on RNG. Everyone using the same speed and just playing over and over and over again to get that tiny little bit of RNG advantage over everyone else. There should be a speedrun category of "100% luck" so that the things that reduce time aren't dumb things "lucky chest loot" or "lucky mob drop", but actual skill. Every mob drops what you need every time, every chest is has its maximum possible natural loot. Then people can improve their skills and look for better seeds to break the record, not just replay the same runs over and over again.

if he was bad at the game his cheating wouldn't have been so subtle

idk minecraft speedruns take a lot of skill but fuck there's so much RNG, right? most of the cheats he used were to improve things that are controlled by RNG. and i think if the dude actually sucked at runs people would have been suspicious way earlier

nice, everybody loves a snitch

Basically Penn and Teller: Bullshit! for speedrunning.

This is a common practice in cybersecurity, the role of a white-hat hacker is to attack a system in every way they can imagine, to alert the managers/developers/owners of the system to the exploits they can find. It should be a more widespread practice.

Fun fact, there are people who work in cybersecurity and physical security (i.e. physically entering businesses, corporate offices, etc.) who do exactly that. They're called "penetration testers", or "pentesters" for short. Probably the most well-known pentesting expert is a man named Deviant Ollam- if you want to know more about pentesting, look up his DEFCON talks on BRvid, they're quite entertaining. Professional penetration testing is actually paid contract work that has been deliberately requested and paid for by the "target" themselves. Some people do pentesting with perfectly good intentions, but without actually getting permission to do so, and as such are unauthorized. In cybersecurity those people are typically referred to as "White-hat" hackers (alternatively, there's "Grey-hat" if their intentions behind attempting a hack are questionable, and "Black-hat" if their intentions are nefarious).

I believe some people did this in a few game communities that had rampant cheating. They basically submitted blatantly cheated runs in communities with rampant cheating as the only way to get a WR. In order to expose how lax the moderators were. As a result they were permabanned from the entire platform for being a known Cheater. Lesson learned don’t expose bad moderation because moderators would rather cover up cheating sometimes than have it exposed thst they will let cheating slip through for their game getting progression of records because it brings their game more Attention as having an active community with progressing records.

@ArchibaldClumpy You don't need to be some vfx god to make splices undetectable to humans or machines. You just have to be smart and meticulous about how and where you make and conceal the edits. A frame/pixel/bit perfect splice can't magically be detected by some complex algorithm or AI, no matter how powerful.

Yeah.. sorry but Minecraft speedruns can't be taken seriously..

@Xenro66 You can only cover up what you are currently aware is observable. Another method yet unthought of might be able to measure something previously unseen.

@ArchibaldClumpy If someone is dedicated enough to make high quality, seamless splices, they're going to have knowledge about the waveform not lining up. Not to give ideas, but as a musician using a DAW, all it would take is analysing what sounds are being played and what needs to *keep* (or start) playing, get those sounds from the game files, overlay them with a linear fade with the correct frame timings and volume... and the splice will be absolutely undetectable. I don't know if anybody would actually be willing to go to those lengths, but you never know and you would never find out.

Software wise there is things we can do. For one, if someone were to build a VM image and take the hash of it and require all valid speedruns to take place within that VM. Within the VM, you have a preinstalled MC which has been modded to display the hash of the binaries (and the VM) as a watermark. You could even have a an api call which reports those hashes to the website when the MC client is closed pre submission. Now combine that with someone that has the editing chops to analyze the videos themselves and you have something significantly harder to cheat I'd think.

@Elisabeth Heiman I don't know... It is hard to believe that NiceTwice did not know about his brothers cheating, especially since he also does speedruns. This is not how things work in the real world. I believe NiceTwice started minecraft speedrunning before MinecrAvenger and clearly was an inspiration for his brother to try it as well. Or maybe it was quite opposite. It does not matter. In any case they certainly discussed speedrunning a lot. If you have common hobbies within your family, then you just do. Always. Under these circumstances it is impossible to hide that you are cheating on such a large scale with hours of investigation, cracking internal alhorithms, massive code changes and such. No way. And you probably would not hide it from your brother anyway. We-e-ell... maybe it would be possible if they were sworn competitors... but MinecrAvenger did not mention it in his list of cheat reasons. But even if NiceTwice knew it, I do not hold him responsible for not reporting it. In many countries even courts can't force you to testify against close relatives. Normally this kind of stuff is discussed privately. Or maybe NiceTwice just did not want to be involved. Or did not care. He probably could not do much about it anyway apart from making it public... which 95% of people would not do even being in bad relations with the cheater. Family bonds kinda take priority. And I do not think that he is a cheater himself. Using his brothers cheats would be immediately apparent and it is very unlikely that he did his own code investigation when his brothers work is readily available.

@Aaron Exton​Agreed. Also, Karl did say that there’s no evidence NiceTwice had any idea that his brother was cheating in the first place nor any evidence that he was also a cheater. Unless there’s actual hard evidence that NiceTwice is also a cheater, he shouldn’t be treated as such simply due to the fact that his brother is one.

@PointsofData You're still falling into the fallacy though. _"if NiceTwice isn't thoroughly investigated and cleared, he could also just...not be coming forward and hoping his own cheating goes under the radar."_ This could be said about literally any runner in the game. Literally any of them. The fact that NiceTwice happened to crawl out of the same vagina that MineCravenger did has nothing to do with the likelihood of him cheating. To believe otherwise is logically fallacious.

@DarkZodiacZZ as far as I'm aware, no mobs are going after NiceTwice. So the phrase "guilty by association" only comes into this because the person I replied to used it. NiceTwice's reputation is still tarnished by his brother's actions by suspicion.

@DarkZodiacZZ Yes. "Suspicious by association" would be fine in my opinion.

@bounded scythe AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ANOTHER HAND HAS TOUCHED THE BEACON!!!

I'm so dumb, I didn't even notice that he had a grappling hook the whole time

@1th to comment. explains why he had accessory slots in the first place

Explains the Last Prism he was using.

What a horrible comparison lol

@Zinras difficult to ask them for help when the majority of them won't even admit they did it.

I identified the 13 year old

@ogre589 that's grey hat. white hat is done only with the prior agreement of the victim

Nah, he used those already, remember?

That scene in The Matrix.

@King Grigori We can only hope that the same people who would try to make this client would try to test things like this to safeguard against it and continually improve the cheat detection as the cheating gets more sophisticated.

Hate to break it to you but it’s generally considered that this effort will be futile. It’s fairly trivial to get around this type of cheat detection, either faking the client, faking whatever logs or verification, or modifying the code of the client to allow your changes.

I mean, what other video has something like 'Shocking Confession' in the title and said confession is *_actually_* shocking.

Graystillplays

Mr beast's content has only gone downhill since the squid game vid. I would say its mostly due to the fact that his content was only entertaining as he would always top his last video. Also, most of his content has moments that pull on your heart strings. It's hard to be biased towards things that make you emotionally feel something.

Mr Beast

I'd love to see different types of cheaters use different techniques to climb the ladder or show crazy game breaking runs, TAS or not!

Cheat% does sound like a fun thing to watch. I would be very curious at how quickly a Cheat% All Achievements Run goes.

I would watch a cheat%

I personally find cheat run inspecting to be incredibly fun, I barely watch normal runs unless they involve convoluted strategies But I'll admit TAS ones are my favorite, they're the funniest ones imo alongside the more obvious crude cheat splicing attempts

@The Monster Under Your Bed But we dont have the tools. If the cheats went undetected until the cheater confessed. Like who can tell the dolphin was planted there

Shouldn't make you sad. It should make you glad that you now have the tools to spot cheating and teach you skepticism and critical thinking.

@MothGang It's sad that basic observation skills and knowledge about a subject is considered "looking too deep into something." No wonder the world is falling apart.

@ForeverLaxx you’re looking way too deep into some random person you watched 1 video on