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Maybe I Was Wrong About Perfection in Today’s Music?

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A subscriber points out why I was wrong about pitch and timing correction. My thoughts.

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Brian Cherry
Brian Cherry 9 meses atrás
I remember being in a studio and an important part of the lyric was the word “can’t”. When the singer sung, the word sounded like “can”, this totally changed the whole meaning of the song. The engineer ended up recording the singer making a T sound. Using protools he added the T every time the word was sung. I hope this gives you a wee chuckle to yourself.
peter thornton
peter thornton 7 meses atrás
The timing's off, but his tuning sucks
peter thornton
peter thornton 7 meses atrás
Although, no auto tune or beat detected used on "45"
peter thornton
peter thornton 7 meses atrás
I know all about this working on a record you also produce songs on.
cson1304
cson1304 8 meses atrás
and if you double the track or sing a harmony line you leave the consonants out ;-)
Kirk Mooneyham
Kirk Mooneyham 10 meses atrás
The worst part of autotune programs being so heavily used? All the singers who now try to sound like they are autotuned. It grates on the ears. EDITED TO ADD: I appreciate all the effort Rick puts in on these videos to teach people, both how to make music the right way, and how to listen to really listen to music.
pete gerard
pete gerard 10 meses atrás
I used to really struggle with imperfections in recording- especially my voice. Now I'm pretty comfortable with my flaws. It's all psychological. It's about the songwriting. If the song sucks, auto-tune and quantizing can't help it.
J. Bugz
J. Bugz 10 meses atrás
Exactly.. And if the song is really good (But like, really really good...) It can't be ruined either.
Jon Binnie
Jon Binnie 10 meses atrás
@Lavender Bee love that! Yes! It's the imperfections that create the magic in music 💜 perfectly imperfect
Lavender Bee
Lavender Bee 10 meses atrás
Nailed it... Bob Dylan didn't have what you would call a good voice, and he's a legend. In fact when other people covered his songs, it didn't sound right with a few rare exceptions.
Jon Binnie
Jon Binnie 10 meses atrás
@Matt Bailey that's cool. I just use reverb on my vocals. Even reverb alone has a massive impact, such as brining more breadth and strength to high notes where my voice may be weaker. I feel all tools are valid it's just up to us what we do with them 💜
Matt Bailey
Matt Bailey 10 meses atrás
Me too! I even got someone else to sing my own song when I first started out and didn’t like his voice so I decided to sing . I always focused on the songwriting and now I don’t care about using auto tune . I wish auto tune didn’t get such a bad name
Jonny Brutal
Jonny Brutal 10 meses atrás
I think one of the main issues is with the modern recording process. The EARS have been replaced by the eyes. You have the recording on a screen. You can see where the drums don't line up and that then tells your ears. The great producers and bands will be known for NOT following trends and trusting the ol' lug 'oles 😁
RFDlic
RFDlic 7 meses atrás
@Ricky Moore " I WISH most of today's rappers were selling drugs or washing cars instead." Cars get washed automatically. If those guy can't tell our children, that it is music, what they're doing, they will burden our social funds.
Yowie Power
Yowie Power 8 meses atrás
@Anemic Peasantry who made you the arbiter of all this, knob jockey?
Yowie Power
Yowie Power 8 meses atrás
@Anemic Peasantry Do you tell people of other races besides caucasians that they shouldn't be proud of themselves? Because that'd be pretty racist of you.
GaryR55
GaryR55 9 meses atrás
Like Rudy Van Gelder.
_Mootin
_Mootin 10 meses atrás
I was actually thinking about this today when recording my guitar
Barry Hull
Barry Hull 10 meses atrás
I enjoy listening to my old albums hearing all the flaws and mistakes. It puts me right in the room with the artist and I love it. So much better.
Heath Palace
Heath Palace 9 meses atrás
@Mike Nichols Mike i really really HATE AUTO TUNE IT'S A LONG SLIPPERY SLOPE TO MUSICAL HELL
Heath Palace
Heath Palace 9 meses atrás
@Mike Nichols MIKE NICHOLS YOU JUST QUOTED THE MAN WHO IS AS CLOSE TO A HERO AS IT GETS FOR ME .MY 15 YEAR OLD SON IS CALLED STRUMMER CLASH PALACE
Heath Palace
Heath Palace 9 meses atrás
I really like the warmth of 60s 70s bass sound
The Melodream
The Melodream 10 meses atrás
Couldn't agree more!
Jurgen Gosch
Jurgen Gosch 10 meses atrás
Exactly
Robert Connell
Robert Connell 10 meses atrás
I love what Pat Metheny said. As you move towards perfection, it moves further away. What is perfection? What is quality? Technique and structure/ feel and phrasing. Finding the balance.
Thumbnail Green
Thumbnail Green 9 meses atrás
I think Prince moved too close later in his career. This is where D'Angelo Voodoo saved us all.
M H
M H 10 meses atrás
As one of my professors used to say "The closer you get to perfection, the more your imperfections show."
Davidm1956
Davidm1956 10 meses atrás
"What is quality?" is the subject of Zen And The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Interesting read.
rabukan 58
rabukan 58 10 meses atrás
I am glad that I grew up in the 60s and 70s, played and recorded live back then, and found beauty in my mistakes and the mistakes of others. We fixed parts by recording more takes, not by manipulating sounds technologically. It was live, natural, analogue, and human.
Hartlor Tayley
Hartlor Tayley 10 meses atrás
Same with me. I remember trying to do a punch in over a flub but it never sounded right. The only real solution was to play better. The idea of conforming to absolute pitches and timing is the complete opposite of what we were trying to do. We were trying to put more life into a song not less.
Aye Carumba
Aye Carumba 10 meses atrás
Imagine if producers “fixed” Jimi Hendrix saying “excuse me, I know I missed a verse” on his version of Like A Rolling Stone 50 years ago? That line STILL cracks me up 50 years later. I would have missed 5 decades of enjoying that mistake.
Rowbags
Rowbags 10 meses atrás
Hi Rick. It all depends on how you define "perfection". In terms of rhythm and tempo, a "perfect" situation for me is where I can lock in with a real drummer in a live situation and we can interact through simple eye-contact. There's nothing to beat it, and rigid quantised stuff is only ever a second best - all the musical tension and give and take is removed. Pitch correction is slightly different. I've worked with singers who desperately needed it - but it always came at the expense of robbing their vocals of much of the quality that made them interesting in the first place. I'll always remember the manager of one band I was in cutting through the cr*p and putting it bluntly about the vocalist: "Gag him or sack him!". None of the rest of us dared say it - but it needed to be said! In the end, I can't help but relate back to the classic recordings from the era when neither timing nor pitch correction were options; simple and brutal, either you could cut it or you couldn't - and the resulting recordings still have a vibrance and vitality which we've lost in the quest for a notional different idea of "perfection". Or, as Ringo once said - "I AM the f*cking click track!" - which is all a long-winded way of saying that , for me at least, you had it right the first time. ;)
Syklone
Syklone 9 meses atrás
Maybe folk should stop to ask what the goal is. EDM and industrial are purposefully robotic, and even metal bands like Fear Factory try to make their sound as mechanical, as possible. There's no one right answer in music.
See Hear Now
See Hear Now 10 meses atrás
I bet Quincy Jones would do an interview with you! Can you imagine anybody else still alive today that's pretty much been through it all from the early Be Bop through high tech etc? I bet he has some stories to tell. Many people don't know that in the early 50s he went on the road with Lionel Hampton as a trumpeter/arranger after studying at The Schillinger House in Boston. Ever heard of that place? It's now called ...... (wait for it) ..... (the one and only) ..... Berklee College of Music ;-)
Larry Hall
Larry Hall 5 meses atrás
That's a good idea.
M Dobinson
M Dobinson 9 meses atrás
@Farque Le You but Sting isn't?
noir
noir 9 meses atrás
@See Hear Now you’re completely right, i enjoy the videos of rick which are more music theory and less “rant” if i’ll be honest, but he is a great all round resource for any musician!
See Hear Now
See Hear Now 9 meses atrás
@noir Well I have to admit - I hadn't heard of him either but because of you, now I have and I'm joining the ranks of musicians in awe !!! A new true genious for sure. Please don't count Rick out though. I think you would be surprised at what he knows and more importantly, he is becoming a "grand central station" for learning. We all need each other ✌
See Hear Now
See Hear Now 9 meses atrás
@Farque Le You Aren't you being a bit "snarky" ? Rick has had a lot of successful people on his site. Plus, Quincy has been known to give back & support good things he believes in ...... That would be Rick Beato. My family always said "If you don't ask - the answer is no!"
André Lambert
André Lambert 10 meses atrás
I pray David Gilmour will say yes to an interview. But someone you mentioned in this video, Tony Levin, would make for an AMAZING interview. He played with EVERYBODY I love!
Robert Dore
Robert Dore 10 meses atrás
Agreed upon. Jon Herrington would be a great interview ee too...
Ving13
Ving13 10 meses atrás
And Levin played with Gilmour!
Paul Applewhite
Paul Applewhite 10 meses atrás
Perfect pitch doesn't mean you can hit the notes when you sing - it just means that you're painfully aware when you miss them 😀
spud2go
spud2go 10 meses atrás
Depends on the music - personally, I think Tom Waits is a genius, & I'm pretty sure there's not a straight note on at least 85% of his recordings.
John Fields
John Fields 10 meses atrás
it ain't over yet. the art of real recording and producing is still happening in my studio. some of us are still in the trenches rocking it daily. Cheers from minneapolis
Billy Ray Valentine
Billy Ray Valentine 10 meses atrás
With some blessings it won't be over for me. I spent the 1980s in the studio and I have plans to get back to it . I will have the modern capabilities but my foundation will be analog and 2 inch tape. To me that process is a musical instrument. And some people have lost that music is felt and heard. My best to all of you worldwide who are keeping that artform alive.
Erik Knudsen
Erik Knudsen 10 meses atrás
I'm glad to hear studio's are still rocking it old school
TheSpiceLord
TheSpiceLord 10 meses atrás
I love your mixes man. Really inspiring.
John Martini
John Martini 10 meses atrás
Same here in lakeland fl!
Moshe Yankovsky
Moshe Yankovsky 10 meses atrás
It's not over in Jerusalem! Cheers from Israel :-) Rick, i really L O V E your channel! Thank you!!
Nicholas Bohannan
Nicholas Bohannan 10 meses atrás
I’m a 25 year old from Oklahoma City, still in the trenches rocking it daily like John Fields said! What’s incredible nowadays is that we don’t all have to beg and scrape for a studio apprenticeship, we can all just watch Beato!! What a time to be alive!
Raivis Te
Raivis Te 10 meses atrás
I recently listened to DeepPurple "Smoke on the water", and mentioned that tempo varies through all the song. And many pitch and time inaccuracies of other instruments, especially bass. So I realized how far auto-tune and quantize of modern music has changed my attention to this. As well, how "human played imperfect" the Deep Purple sounds.
Luigi Perrone
Luigi Perrone 10 meses atrás
I'm not a musician, but I love getting insight into how music is made by Rick. Fascinating stuff even though I only understand a little bit.
Jellybeantiger
Jellybeantiger 10 meses atrás
I think most music sounds like a machine because of grid lines,I put on Extrapolation by John McLaughlin and you can hear the little time shifts ,absolutely wonderful. I hate sloppy musos but today everything is too perfect.
Craig Willms
Craig Willms 10 meses atrás
We use these same tools in the studio I work at. However, the goal is to use as little of these as possible. "Autotune" is used to fix a note here and there of an otherwise great take - particularly harmony parts. Never is it used across the board and never do we shoot for artificial artefacts. Occasionally you have to fix a drum part - or slide a bass guitar note to follow the kick drum. No one has ever accused us of producing perfect - in more ways than one....
Mel McMurrin
Mel McMurrin 10 meses atrás
To fix individual notes why use autotune at all? Just bump the note (or even segments of a note) up or down the needed cents til it sounds nice and maintain the natural pitch variation within a note. Even a second of autotune turns vocals in synthesizers to my ear. But good on you for not going for "perfect."
Aneraxx Music
Aneraxx Music 10 meses atrás
@Robert Dore this is true, even electronic tracks place drums off the grid intentionally
Robert Dore
Robert Dore 10 meses atrás
The drums should never need fixing IMHO, as Rick said can you imagine trying to quantise Monk, or Purdie or Bonham. There's a reason that the records those artists have recorded sound waaay better than the tech driven offerings we have today. We're in danger of losing our souls in art, literature and life in general.
Dizastro
Dizastro 10 meses atrás
Is the larger question whether a band can match (or nearly match) what consumers heard that brought them to a show?
dhRzztt
dhRzztt 10 meses atrás
Keeping in mind a quote from Paul McCartney. "What people are ultimately listening to is our nerve endings" . People are connecting with that FIRST. Im talking about the people who don't really care about perfection per se or how a piece of music was produced. I think analog recording does this best but thats another subject. Great players, to me, have one thing in common regardless of vocabulary or style. They either innately or intellectually understand the music as a series of "happy accidents". They get to that in as many ways as there are individuals. But I would tend to side with "what you were born with". as the priority. People don't know about the hours Gadd practiced in a bank vault so he could feel safe (for example.) IT takes what it takes. Or as Ringo put it, "It dont come easy".. And then there was Porcaro' who was plagued by "why me? " Thats, I believe, why Miles said "if you wish you could, become a critic. That is what communicates to the "born with " of the listener. The rest is just correcting for the inability to, as Gadd would say, "get beyond the wall that you put in front of yourself. It's difficult for ordinary people. Some love (or are driven to seek the love) the task enough to become "extraordinary. at creating the aforementioned accidents.. And thats just the way it is. I might add that I could be wrong but for me this seems to be true. All these modern tools try to simulate that but never will. But enough to make a buck or two.
Khamadi Ojiambo
Khamadi Ojiambo 10 meses atrás
Love your comment "a record is a record of where you are at!" So true. I am one of those guys that always tries to move things to grid and make them perfect but you have opened up my mind. Make music with the heart. Work to get it good but don't overdo the perfection bit (In my humble opinion).
DanFed Music
DanFed Music 10 meses atrás
Generally speaking, I don’t care how they’re getting the sound to me, as long as it’s a great song, I’m pretty happy… I was listening to a top 10 from Apple Music that you did several months ago. And you’re certainly much kinder than I am my friend, I think a lot of the music today is really well produced, well executed by the musicians but I don’t think well written… Everything sounds extremely manufactured, not at all handcrafted. It’s all incredibly forgettable, here today, gone tomorrow. I’ve been listening to music for over 30 years, I’ve always listen to everything, and I’m the kind of person that only has a few hundred songs in my Apple library. I was having this conversation with someone the other day, the more music you listen to, the less music you’re going to like overtime and if that doesn’t happen, it means a person isn’t really listening.
Will S
Will S 2 meses atrás
I have listened to nearly all the spectrum of live and recorded music over the years. My dad liked jazz and country, my mom big band and 1950's pop. I eventually came round to mainstream pop after the 1970's crap died out. Always liked rock... but prefer when it sounds different like Yes, or Tool. The only reason I do not listen to as much a wide variety of genres now is because I have become lazier in searching for it. Not because some mythical narrowing of taste over aging.
12port
12port 10 meses atrás
The most authentic and independent rock musician I have seen / heard in the past two decades is without a doubt Devin Townsend. A success outside of the music industry, creates only what he wants and still maintains a huge following. 5 octave vocal range and kills the guitar... What makes this artist great???
Jesse MacDonough
Jesse MacDonough 10 meses atrás
Manu Katche was on Simple Minds' album "Street Fighting Years". His drumming style was very different from Mel Gaynor, but matched well with the style they used on that album. It came out in 1989. Superb album by the way.
Chris Colbourne
Chris Colbourne 6 meses atrás
Yeah agreed, I have a longtime drummer friend that's always raved about that guy for years. I'm just a piano/ synth nerd but he's got his own good thing going on.
gmazel
gmazel 10 meses atrás
Thank you, Rick. Perfection is never a goal. It’s really a symptom. And the symptoms have changed as the tools in the industry change. Your sincerity and honesty is so valuable to musicians and listeners.
Rob Astley
Rob Astley 10 meses atrás
Hi Rick greetings from the Uk, I only discovered your channel a couple of months ago, and since been hooked and viewed just about everything you have posted , your musical taste is impeccable my friend, and feel honoured you like so much from my humble Land, just curious that you never mention ‘ Deep Purple’ and in particular the Genius that is ‘ Ritchie Blackmore’ I’d love to know your thoughts on the band and the man himself Cheers Rob Ps I know you like ‘ The Cure’ they come from my home town ‘Crawley’ and used to watch them play at my local pub before they made it, keep up the great work fella
C C
C C 10 meses atrás
This is awesome. A great testament to the virtues of 'feel' and precision, over technically rigid production and playing. (I'm a guitar hobbyist. I stopped playing last summer.. intermittently noodling here and there.. no real practice to speak of... burned out on everything.) That said, I finally found a bit of energy and inspiration. I had gradually stopped browsing my fave online vids as the year progressed. Anyway, auto-tune is killing my love of vocal music. People use it as a special audio effect these days, and it is so annoying. I don't dislike it, I've just gotten tired of all the pop misuse.
K Matsu
K Matsu 10 meses atrás
No Rick - you were completely correct the first time. The more "perfect" music is, the less of an emotional impact it has. I could listen to Blind Boy Fuller twang on a single discordant string for hours, but most of todays overblown, bass-dominated multi-track-overdubbed pop song extravaganzas leave me bored. And when applied to voices, "perfection" becomes uniformity, and uniformity becomes Muzak. I can recognize many '70s and '80s singers' voices within two or three notes. It is the "imperfections" that make them recognizable. For many of today's singers, I couldnt recognise a new song of theirs if my life depended on it, because Ive never heard their "real" voice.
Mark Devlin
Mark Devlin 10 meses atrás
Can you imagine Jimi Hendrix auto tuned? Bob Dylan? Great video Rick! Makes me understand what happened to music. I use to blame producers, but now I understand the business pressure they are under. Over all it's sad, computerized music. Imperfection is human.
Tony Faelens
Tony Faelens 10 meses atrás
Can you imagine Neil Young auto tuned ?
Youtube2 Snoopy
Youtube2 Snoopy 10 meses atrás
"Grace and Danger" by John Martyn, the original mix, had some of the best guitar/voice/bass music I've ever heard. Maybe you could do a 'what makes' episode on "Johnny Too Bad" or "What Kind of Love is This?", could interview that bass player, he's fantastic (I think). Also James Hetfield would probably like your vibe. Dolly Parton would be another good interview. That woman has lived. Chrissie Hynde would probably be another good female interview. Lots of organic nuance with both of them... and John Martyn.
Youtube2 Snoopy
Youtube2 Snoopy 10 meses atrás
@Garry Stanton Yah... think it was the booze but who knows. I was suggesting Rick interview the bass player that worked with Martyn for several years - who shows up on "Grace and Danger".
Garry Stanton
Garry Stanton 10 meses atrás
John Martyn is dead, sadly.
Taggart Smith
Taggart Smith 10 meses atrás
Hey Rick, great lesson today. Sooo pleased you dropped in Jim Croce today, I would love to see a deeper dive into his music and possibly how he has influenced music that most of us a possibly not aware of.
Les Corlett
Les Corlett 10 meses atrás
Would Jimmy Page's weird guitar change/mistake in 'Black Dog' have ever been recorded if it had been quantized? Would you have ever listened to Jeff Beck if he'd played to a click track?
Bronson Nishikida
Bronson Nishikida 9 meses atrás
Yes
Craig T
Craig T 10 meses atrás
Rick thank you for explaining why I stopped hearing good music from the ninety’s on Nothing worse than a bad song over produced I’ll take live music any day of the week over all the editing and remixing And I agree with you when I question a song with 11 song writing credits Of course I loved analog verses chopped up digital recordings Rick on From Las Vegas Craig
GaryR55
GaryR55 9 meses atrás
Sessions players were commonplace when singers who played no instruments were popular (i.e, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, et al). It wasn't until rock 'n' roll became popular, then dominant, that musicians who played instruments AND sang became the new standard.
Christ of ROCK n ROLL
Christ of ROCK n ROLL 10 meses atrás
The problem is not the use of auto-tune per se but its unjudicious and often indiscriminate use of it. Not every singer needs it or at least not every song or genre needs it. Discretion and proper judgement call is needed and that's where the problem lies.
Mladen S
Mladen S 10 meses atrás
@Anthony Metcalf There indeed are several types of intelligence. I just don't know how they're classified. The "talent" I was referring to would most likely be the same thing as the "natural ability" you've mentioned. Some people have a better understanding of music, not sure if it's genetic or due to musical parents or early musical education, but there are a lot of cases who had neither of the latter and yet they excel at music, no matter the instrument. Of course, it's better to start early so you can develop the skills but, as I've tried to explain to the "privilege guy", plenty of famous musicians never had any type of "privilege", but they exceled. It's all about practice and good understanding of music. No amount of the former will matter if you don't have the latter.
Anthony Metcalf
Anthony Metcalf 10 meses atrás
The thing about pitch correction.. ah… um… Just look at Charli XCX. Pretty indiscriminate yet creative use of it if you ask me. And somehow it still sounds unmistakably like her. She is a very skilled singer too and I think that it helps to have a really good carrier for the pitch modulation, vocoding, or whatever.
Anthony Metcalf
Anthony Metcalf 10 meses atrás
@Mladen S There’s a lot more nuance to it than “good musicians talented” or “good musicians privileged”. Many of the greatest songwriters are not naturally gifted. They were able to practice until they got better. It’s the story of the underdog and the golden child. It’s very rare that a person cannot learn to play music skillfully, although it’s possible. I’ve found that for the most part two main things stop people from progressing in their skill. One is that their minds prevent them from practicing properly due to the fact that they just believe they will never be good enough or something like that, like a placebo effect or a self-fulfilling prophecy. The other is lack of proper guidance, which can in some situations be a matter of privilege. However, natural ability is a real factor. Don’t quote me on this, but I heard something about “multiple intelligences” in neuroscience and musical intelligence is apparently one of them. Just remember neuroplasticity.
John Carl Ramirez
John Carl Ramirez 10 meses atrás
@Crimadella Phone And almost everything you said on your post is subjective. So saying today's music "sucks" (to fuse your dense description about today's music) probably has mostly to do with your preferences. Absolutely not the truth though. There's great music today that can go on par with even the classics, at least for me. Try going to online music platforms (RYM, Reddit, or heck, even /mu/) and you'll maybe find what music today you'll like because once you delve with it's massive goldmine, it'll always have everything for everyone. Me personally like prog rock, art/experimental pop, disco/synthpop/wave, and experimental/conscious rap, and if you like those genres, I had recommendations for you, but not necessarily something you'll like. I highly suggest you, with open mind, to listen at what the younger generations are producing because some of it is great and promising.
Tony Baseballs
Tony Baseballs 10 meses atrás
@Clikcer Productions Nobody said that people didn't work their asses off. You're arguing points that I'm not making. So you keep talking to yourself and I'll be over here with everybody else, admiring the talented.
J Muller
J Muller 10 meses atrás
Leland Sklar has such a charming yt-channel. He discusses playing with jackson Brown, CSN etc and how he thoroughly enjoyed playing with all those fabulous session players on those compositions by those fabulous artists.
Amol Amrit
Amol Amrit 10 meses atrás
Love his channel. He played bass for the Spanish records from 95-98 for Enrique Iglesias.
Erik Knudsen
Erik Knudsen 10 meses atrás
Yes, I love his channel as well and his stories are fun and mind blowing.
Peter Frost
Peter Frost 10 meses atrás
Hi Rick, I love your channel but it has made me realise that I will never be a guitar or any other musical instrument player. I used to dabble with playing many years ago but I can see now that there is so much more to being a musician. Looking forward to your interviews with prominent players - love your channel.
Hard_Cold_Truth
Hard_Cold_Truth 9 meses atrás
Please keep playing for you ..
James Fry
James Fry 10 meses atrás
Rick, I did 'work experience' at a very well-known (then) classical label here in the UK in 1994. I was party to the digital splicing of alternate takes on a classical piano recording, to the point of taking a tiny part of a trill from one take and fixing a minor discrepancy on an otherwise 'perfect' take. A couple of years later I had the luxury of discussing this with some prominent musicians and they noted that there was already a shift in attitude to performance; the recordings were getting so precise that students were aspiring to something potentially unachievable. Things have got more ridiculous since (I know because I've done it). However. I wonder, does the same thing persist with vocals and elsewhere? Does it get to the point where the good people are hearing the 'good' autotune and giving up?
Jeremiah Glass
Jeremiah Glass 10 meses atrás
i started a playlist, using heavily “perfect” songs, next to some “non-perfect” songs. Listen to them ‘back to back”….it’s a no brainer. Two songs to try--Cher, ‘Believe”, and then follow it up by Fleetwood Mac - Silver Springs. They sound so different it is not even a comparison
E B
E B 10 meses atrás
It was done in the name of science
TallicaMan1986
TallicaMan1986 10 meses atrás
@t3hgir I think this is one of the only times Auto Tune is excusable. This track Made that sound. While Auto Tune existed before it. No pop song had it cranked to 11 the entire time. I wasn't until T-Pain that autotune truly became it's own thing. Before that it was the Cher thing as opposed to Autotune.
t3hgir
t3hgir 10 meses atrás
@Marplea I listened to it today and I kinda like the techno drums, nice hats and bassline. The autotune is a bit much lol.
Marplea
Marplea 10 meses atrás
It's catchy though. The producing is terrible though I agree
t3hgir
t3hgir 10 meses atrás
@Brian Turnbo DO YOU BELIEVEEE IN LIFE AFTER LOVE?🎶🎶🎶 I CAN FEEL SOMETHINNN INSIDE MEE SAYYY
Cale Gibbard
Cale Gibbard 10 meses atrás
Another way in which autotune is imperfect is that it's (at least typically) automatically tuning everything to the 12 equal grid. Well, the 12 equal grid is great, but it's a huge *compromise* that was made to make it more economical to build instruments and have them all work together no matter which key they're in. When you take a part that was sung by a really great singer with a good ear, and auto tune it, you're usually going to be turning what is basically just intonation -- stuff that's really in tune with the harmonic series -- and turning it into something much farther from perfectly tuned. 12 equal's major thirds are super sharp, its minor thirds are super flat, its minor seconds and ninths are incredibly flat and out of tune compared to what they can be. The harmonic seventh isn't even on the piano keyboard. Try auto tuning a barbershop quartet and you'll destroy the entire effect, because they use a ton of harmonic sevenths, which are 31 cents flatter than 12 equal's minor seventh. If you're using your ears to really lock into the chord that's being sung and relieve the tension that's normally created by the minor seventh, that's what'll happen, you don't even have to understand it to do it. In Adele's "Easy On Me", there's a part where she sings a whole bunch of notes from the harmonic series over the tonic, and there are some notes in there which are a quarter tone off the 12 equal grid, but everything is perfectly in line with the harmonic series over the bass note, and it sounds fucking great. I don't know if it was intentional, or just the consequence of physics and an incredible singer using her ear, but either way, it's worth paying attention to where the compromises we've made to be able to add fixed metal frets to guitars, and build pianos with not too many keys per octave are just the wrong compromises to be making. We have computers now that could free us of all these constraints, if we just don't cripple the software from the outset.
Evan Courtney
Evan Courtney 4 meses atrás
As a guy familiar with computers, signal processing and music I'd imagine the reason you tell the auto-tuner what the target key is, is so that it can correct pitch using just intonation. I mean why not? Equal temperament is a compromise for pianos and some strings so that they can (close-enough) play in multiple keys without retuning. The computer can calculate small ratio integer ratios just fine and the D/A converter doesn't need to retune to produce a waveform of arbitrary frequencies.
C-K Country-Kiwi
C-K Country-Kiwi 10 meses atrás
Exactly. Imagine the Mona Lisa confined to twelve equal colours.
Cale Gibbard
Cale Gibbard 10 meses atrás
@D. Rowley True, though often it's harder to do things beyond 12 equal than one might like. Certainly piano rolls become quite awkward a lot of the time if you want more pitches per octave, and a lot of stuff doesn't yet work with custom tunings. But it's getting easier all the time at least. :)
Ursula
Ursula 10 meses atrás
That's a great aspect you mention. Would love to hear Rick's thought about singers going for just intonation in certain moments. I don't think my ears are good enough to detect those moments but I know that there's in general a world of pitch information, of tonal color beyond the equal 12 tone grid a great singer can tap into when phrasing and all those nuances just get brushed away with the use of autotune. Imagine autotuning Aretha for example, you would lose so much of what makes her Aretha.
D. Rowley
D. Rowley 10 meses atrás
There is still a human using software making decisions on inputs and outputs.
Ree B
Ree B 10 meses atrás
I love when I hear something that sounds off. It gives realness to it. It usually becomes the anticipated point of the song for me.
Robin McMillan
Robin McMillan 10 meses atrás
Can you imagine someone like Ian Dury on hit me with your rhythm stick being auto tuned 🤪. Listen to that song and check how fantastic his vocals are. It’s called character and it’s about being unique that’s what brings variety and change. A lot was built on live performances first now it is ultimately through media controlled ultimately by corporates driving the lowest cost and fastest buck. Maybe I am being too negative?
Matt K
Matt K 10 meses atrás
Speaking of auto tune, I have always loved the singing of Dylan, Knopfler, Nick cave and many of those vocally limited singer songwriters and also so many of the singers of rock, soul and blues genres. I reckon this auto-tune phase will bore people and not dominate forever. I remember wondering if in the 80's, the guitar was on the way out when New Wave came along - barring a few exceptions - and sensibilities seemed to have adjusted to something else. Then along came Grunge. I think artistic sensibilities come and go in cycles. I reckon real singing will always be around.
cflowers69
cflowers69 10 meses atrás
You have got to be the most instantly familiar and welcomed personality on the tube. You seem so approachable too. The everyday person’s inspiration. Very much appreciate all that you do.
Miss. Wright
Miss. Wright 7 meses atrás
When I listen to an album from 50 yrs ago, recorded in mono with all its crackles & pops - it still gives me more pleasure than today's "perfect" digitally produced songs with unlimited tracks, virtual instruments, and automation. Why do you think Studer machines are selling for their weight in gold ? Boutique studios are returning to tape (finally) ! DAW's are the crack cocaine to the music industry - quick fix, addictive, nothing good comes of it !
Kyle Hall
Kyle Hall 10 meses atrás
Well in the task of recording my own voice I have found it incredibly difficult to get a tuned vocal sound. But as of now I refuse to use auto-tune. I can sing in tune but I find it very difficult once effects and accompaniment is added for it to sound in tune and crisp. My question is if a non-auto tuned vocal is so easy to make sound amazing, how come we don’t see bedroom studio’s pulling it off and only high budget studio’s with artists like Adele getting great results?
homerzeppelin
homerzeppelin 10 meses atrás
I am no pro, and I am a terrible singer--so there will be others that can give much better advice...but here are some tips I've learned and figured out while tooling around as a hobbyist in recording music. As well as some suggestions to try: 1) Figure out if you really are in tune. Use an autotune. Waves tune is currently on sale for $30. Even if it doesn't go on the final recording...use it to see what it recommends and how it wants to change your tuning. Another tip is to do a track and then tune it with waves. Next, do more tracks of the vocals while listening to your tuned vocal in your ear. You can record and practice with the tuned version as a baseline. This should improve your singing. 2) Double tracking in general. See if you voice is better double tracked or not. And if it is better double tracked with hard pan or single tracks. 3) Vocal EQing. Sounds like you might have an issue with your vocals getting lost in the mix. Watch the EQ bands your vocals hit and in those same bands lessen them in the other instruments until the mix is flatter. 4) Consider using some producers / mixing / mastering from FIVER. There are very inexpensive options out there that can work on your songs and you can see the end results. That way you can play with your own mixing and mastering to try to duplicate those results. Even if you don't want there work in your final mix, you can use that as a guide. 5) Vocal effects. I recently did a very fast song for a coworker who was leaving my job. Only had a couple days to do it so I did it very quickly (goin down by freddie king but with different lyrics and more of a hard rock flair). Couldn't handle the vocal style at all (I suck even in my best songs), and blew the voice out with only 1 terrible vocal track. I ended up using heavy waves tune auto tune to make it better (which i try to avoid, but use sometimes). However, people said that the lyrics got lost in the mix. Only change I made was taking the EXACT same vocal track, and the same effects on the bus like reverb and delay and some mastering program's vocal filtering presets) was duplicate the track, and on that duplicate, pitch shift the track 5 cents, offset the track 15ms later, and run it through a clean amp simulation to get a different EQ curve. The feedback I got was that it went from one of my worst vocal performances (which is saying a lot), to "this is the best you've sang yet...wait, did you get someone else to sing?" Granted, this was with auto tune used, but the previous feedback was that even with auto tune, I was extra garbage. Good luck to you sir, hope you figure it out and get back to enjoying your recording!
Talbot Pearson
Talbot Pearson 10 meses atrás
"Well in the task of recording my own voice I have found it incredibly difficult to get a tuned vocal sound." -Record one vocal phrase at a time and listen back to it. Keep re-recording it until it sounds perfectly in tune to you. Then move on to the next phrase and repeat until the whole song is done. No auto-tune needed, and it will sound more natural and human. "I can sing in tune but I find it very difficult once effects and accompaniment is added for it to sound in tune and crisp." -Go light on the effects and EQ so that it stands out on top of the mix and is clear and in the center. If it's getting buried in the mix, turn down the instruments and drums. "how come we don’t see bedroom studio’s pulling it off and only high budget studio’s with artists like Adele getting great results?" -Some home studios do get great pro-level results. Sometimes it's about note selection and melody composition and the tone of the voice of the vocalist. So re-work your melodies and mix so they sound like something a professional vocalist would sing or of the quality you hear in the radio.
TremblingGiant
TremblingGiant 10 meses atrás
Thank You Rick. This is, as always, an informative and reasoned observation. In reading the comments here, I’ve noticed that nobody is really addressing what us “old timers” know to be true. It’s not about “the grid”. It’s about what we’re hearing as musicians and professionals (which is very true for some of us who have done this a million times). In another century (back when dinosaurs walked the earth) if it wasn’t in tune, we would sing it again and comp the offending words out. If it wasn’t in time we would have the take played until it felt good. It wasn’t about a grid, it was about our ears - and to be fair, not all tolerances are created equal. Listen to a Beatles record and then listen to a Red Hot Chili Peppers record. The intonation and need for it to be within a certain tolerance is very different. This used to be up to the producer. So the tools have changed. Now instead of David Foster making a singer sing the verse for 2 hours until he gets what “he” needs, they use software. Unfortunately the grid has replaced experience. We don’t need a grid, we need to listen and make adjustments based on our individual taste and set of artistic tolerances. Or - and I know this won’t be uniformly popular - go back to an earlier ethic and “get better at playing and singing”.
TremblingGiant
TremblingGiant 10 meses atrás
@Elle Sea recording is typically the art of capturing what “musicians” perform. It’s a privilege to “deal” with the talented ones.
Elle Sea
Elle Sea 10 meses atrás
Still is up to the producer, just without dealing with musicians any more than they need to.
paul torbert
paul torbert 10 meses atrás
Sadly today’s minds have all been “cookie-cutter trained”. The reality is that there are those that make a product for the sake of mass consumption and revenue, and there are the few who aspire to make art(without regard for monetary gain)..... I will say that folks like Coheed & Cambria or Steven Wilson or Underworld are remarkably well in tune with their past and present, and capable of a future, musically.....
peter contarino
peter contarino 10 meses atrás
Thoughtful video Rick thank you. I have been wanting to make a suggestion. Please get Michael Landau on. One of the most prolific session guitarists but what’s more interesting is his own music (Michael landau Group) which I am sure most of your listeners have never heard. I’ve seen him live at the baked potato several times and he is completely unique. I’ve never seen/heard anything like it. Thank you again for all of the great work you do and congratulations on the best channel.
Nick Perkins
Nick Perkins 10 meses atrás
My dad is in his mid 50s. He recently got an electric kit, and we have been recording some songs together. Last night i spent most of the time nudging and cutting alot of his takes. In this case; its a beautiful thing since i cant really just bring in a better drummer without being disowned haha
Rojo Wilson
Rojo Wilson 10 meses atrás
Where you capturing the midi or recording the audio out? If you capture the midi performance you can have more precision with your edit
KayElle
KayElle 10 meses atrás
😆💗
Stephen Pettigrew
Stephen Pettigrew 10 meses atrás
Really! Just quantize and tell him he's great! No matter how old he is. Sure you can do that? 😊🎶
mosart
mosart 10 meses atrás
That's the best reason for using it that I've heard!
Rick DeAguiar - Music Reflections
Love your insight and perspective, Rick. You're doing a wonderful job educating all of us on the music industry :)
Mark Blanche
Mark Blanche 10 meses atrás
Metal drumming is so quantized and sampled that it feels more like EDM than a human
Mark Blanche
Mark Blanche 10 meses atrás
@Sergio Valmont haha fair point! 🥁
Sergio Valmont
Sergio Valmont 10 meses atrás
Disagree, EDM at least you have 2 or 3 differents snare sounds per song, metal you have every band with the exactly same snare sound in every recording. XD
Michael Biebl
Michael Biebl 10 meses atrás
Hey Rick! I really wanna know your take on what makes the Pixies great, cause i can't put my finger on it tbh. Really enjoying your book. Keep it up!
ivajur
ivajur 10 meses atrás
Great observation. I was thinking the same for last 20 years... I could make a PhD about this topic in Musicology. Greetings from Zagreb😊
holidaythailand2010
holidaythailand2010 10 meses atrás
OMG, all this is so true, great video!! (good luck quantizing my playing), so many Players these days, start on their own using Computers, my Son is an example of that, I have got him out now rehearsing with my Band, his musicianship is good, but learning how to play with other musicians in a live setting is difficult for new musicians to get these days.
Cliff Mentzer
Cliff Mentzer 10 meses atrás
It dawned on me:..your whole presentation is why I think i enjoy live music so much. Even older blues albums-I always loved the live recordings better. There was that intangible feel that is so fun to listen to.
Sukhbir Sekhon
Sukhbir Sekhon 10 meses atrás
The imperfections show the music was played by musicians and the instruments were recorded red live. It's why I loved the hiss of a record playing on a turntable. It was a reminder that I was listening to something real. And it was equally why I hated when CDs came on. The vibrations were slowly being removed as was the touch and feel. The best music rises above any imperfections. When AI takes over music which it will, music will officially be dead.
Carl Nielsen
Carl Nielsen 10 meses atrás
Thank you for an interesting and thought provoking video. You hit it by talking of organic nuance. So no: you were not wrong in the criticism og mechanical, mathematic perfection. Because that is simply a misunderstanding of what music is all about. To me it doesn’t make sense to compare session musicians with all that use of machinery. It doesn’t make it un-human. It is just that you want good musicians playing. Who would not want that? Think about Nashville in its great era. In must have been a marvelous experience for all those singers being backed by people like Chet Atkins and Floyd Cramer. In jazz there are many examples of so called all star line ups. Top musicians on every instrument! Or what about all those famous people playing on Kate Bush albums. That’s great. That’s not making it mechanical. It’s that thing about nuance again. When Kare Bush used some star guitarist, pianist or whatever on her recording, it was because she wanted that unique sound of that musician. Actually organic nuance! Good musicians is people who can actually play, but the machinery is a way to disguise if people really can’t do very much. Of course there are exceptions. Auto tuning can be used as an effect, as you have mentioned, and so with that singer you talk about, having perfect pitch but using auto tune. Music is a communication form. Great musicians are not just capable of doing complicated things, but also to communicate. But can a machine do that? You are talking about saving time. But sometimes the whole point is to use time. What if you made paintings just letting a computer doing the thing, and saying, oh that red should be a bit darker, that blue a bit lighter and so on. Well, it’s easier and faster, than some painter using hours blending colors. But the idea of actually making a painting is some person expressing him or her self. And so is playing music. What happened to playing for the love and appreciation of music? Ambitious practicing saying “I got to learn how to do that” - or just happy amateurs that can’t do so much of the difficult stuff, but are having a great time and lots of fun. Isn’t those things what music is all about, or at least should be? What have it turned into instead? -I am not sure what the ansver to that question is. But it is something I don’t like. - And I’m temped to say, that it’s a path leading to a place where music is no longer music at all. Well, only in the most superficial sense of being notes, harmonies and rhythms, but completely missing the point. Thank you for mentioning a list of musicians you admire and want to interview, to remind us all, that there are still some of those people around. But you also talked about what’s gonna happen in the future, with a programming instead of a singer. The more I hear about that kind of things, the more I stick to my old albums. At some point in the video you mentioned Thelonious Monk. Such a character, so individual, so unorthodox. In todays streamlined music industry, where would there be a place for a guy like him?
German Londoño
German Londoño 10 meses atrás
When you listen carefully, there's a noise in Since I've Been Loving You by Zeppelin when the drums start. It's a squeak from the pedal for the bass drum, that probably wasn't oiled. I love the fact it was kept that way and I also love listening to it. Check it out. Those types of imperfections also make the songs.
Al Banana
Al Banana 9 meses atrás
Engineering imperfections on a recording can go both ways. As an audiophile, with a good quality system, I don't actually care so much if I hear the "error" - it adds much more interest - or just enjoy a corrected version. Bugs the crap out of other people, but they usually have a higher price audio system that they have to justify.
Geof Suits
Geof Suits 9 meses atrás
Regarding Since I’ve Been Loving You… yep the Ludwig Speed King. Oil really didn’t help, at least not for long. JPJ has errors all over that song, just listen. Zepp was notorious for gaffs, tempo “issues” etc. Relative to today’s “perfect” Zepp was actually a pretty sloppy band. But it WORKED, as did most of the 60’s and 70’s recordings.
MrJohnnyDistortion
MrJohnnyDistortion 10 meses atrás
@Scott V Indeed. Had some lately? Its the sound mostly from the mouths of Democrats.😆
Scott V
Scott V 10 meses atrás
@MrJohnnyDistortion flagellation
Kevin Babineaux
Kevin Babineaux 10 meses atrás
Erick Johnson is a great artist. He lives and plays here a lot in new Orleans. Thursday nights he has a live stream..
G.S
G.S 10 meses atrás
I mean to be honest it's the recording and producers themselves that spearheaded these plug ins to make their lives easier. Basically one producer or engineer got so tired of cutting tapes or some other engineering problem and decided to make a program for it. Or some want to simulate their sound and have it consistent in any gear or venue they use it on. Its why guitar players are using kempers, they're tired of the sound sounding good in one place then having it suck in the next place.
David Wollpert
David Wollpert 10 meses atrás
I hope you get 5 million subscribers! Your channel rocks! Some of those folks you want to interview would be amazing.
David Ainslie
David Ainslie 10 meses atrás
Love all your content Rick. Happy New Year from an old rocker in Scotland. I'm a white haired dude who is the exact same age as you and thought I would leave a comment to recommend your excellent Beato Book. As a musician you never stop learning and your book is an amazing tool for that. Congrats on finding your calling. You have the best music channel on BRvid and I watch everything you put out. I can't thank you enough for your incredible contribution to the world of music. If anyone reading this knows how to contact Jimmy Page (Happy Birthday Mr Page), Paul McCartney, David Gilmour, Jeff Beck or Eric Clapton or anyone else Rick mentioned, please turn them on to Rick's Channel and hopefully they will contact Rick and set up an interview. Rick you and your team are amazing. Keep up the good work.
Nate Ridgeway
Nate Ridgeway 10 meses atrás
David Hood should be on that list of amazing session Bass players. - And Spooner Oldham as a keyboard sideman...one of the handful of sidemen to ever be inducted into the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame (also was recently inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame).
Tim Stevens
Tim Stevens 10 meses atrás
I would like to see you do a breakdown of anything from Snarky Puppy's "We Like it Here" album (Lingus in particular). The video production is superb and the complicated arrangements seem like the perfect source for a Rick Beato analysis. Keep up the good work!!
Igor Sampaio
Igor Sampaio 10 meses atrás
There are great string and choir parts in the latest Sepultura Album (Quadra). Given it a listen!
Eric Harizanos
Eric Harizanos 10 meses atrás
I'd love to see more interviews of legends musos too. Your way of conducting itw much better than your usual promo/magazine.
David Andrews
David Andrews 10 meses atrás
Great video and discussion Mr. B. Yes, there are incredible technical performances on T'kTahk, Insta and YT, but they are no different to me than an Auto-tuned recording. You see it time and time again, when some social media 'phenom' actually gets put on a stage with a professional band in a live-without-a-net situation...Splat! What saddens me more is the loss of live music, played by the musicians that wrote it together as a group. Sure the singer or guitar player might have had the main spotlight, but the parts that supported their performances were written/ played by their 'mates in the band, and became as much a signature part of the overall sound as their part. I find it almost impossible now to assemble a live trio to write complete songs 'organically' and develop a overall signature sound. Between the onslaught of modeling amps, drum machines and the now-standard use of DAWs and their respective plugins/VSTs, everything and everyone sounds more and more generic and overproduced. We used to just get together as a band at someone's house and play, and oftentimes be inspired by those jams to write songs and parts that enhanced the overall song/performance.
Tom Wrobel
Tom Wrobel 10 meses atrás
This video makes me ponder the exit of Danny Seraphine from Chicago. I've heard multiple different versions of how/why it happened, but this adds additional context around David Foster's bringing in studio drummers starting with the Chicago 16 recordings.
gilbert godfrey
gilbert godfrey 10 meses atrás
One of the most magnificent aspects of Rick is his willingness to see all sides of an issue, and to question everything, INCLUDING HIS OWN OPINIONS. Now, if only he would quit praising certain musicians and songs that I think are just crap... (for those of you who are mentally challenged, that last sentence was an attempt at ironic self deprecation ...oh, never mind.)
Dane Paul Stewart
Dane Paul Stewart 10 meses atrás
GREAT talk! It leaves as many questions as it does answers, but music production is a very complex world of human variables. It is very much worth thinking about and taking about. 👍👍
steved2112
steved2112 10 meses atrás
Once I picked up on your comparing fixing things to the old days of having great studio musicians, it felt like I had already known that. That's what it feels like to listen to a great teacher.
Sporting1210
Sporting1210 10 meses atrás
there is a great interview with Questlove, where he tells the story how he was blown away by the beats of J Dilla, but could not quite figure out why - until he did and it was that Dilla intentionally played an ever so slightly imperfect beat in kind of a dragging/sluggish manner, which he - Questlove - then spend quite some time learning to play aka unlearning what he learned over his entire career before. The album where i heard that in a very distinctive manner - compared to most other productions in this particular genre at the time and which is one of my all time favourites - was "Voodoo" by D'Angelo on which Questlove played drums and wrote 4 songs, which was also recorded & mixed with analouge equipment and old school recording techniques . But yes, over produced Music gets boring and singers, who sound like hundreds of other singers due to auto-tune give the entire "pop music" sector kind of generic feeling. One of the reasons i rarely listen to music stations anymore except some small, uncomercial ones.
'easy'
'easy' 10 meses atrás
Happy New Year Rick n' all you guys n' gals who work with ya! After an intensive year practicing, watchin' your tutorials striving to learn more, note by note, I have curiously just taken out a few weeks in the past few weeks to re-charge my di-lythiums too. You have become my daily 'kick up the butt' keeping me pushing and maintaining the inspiration through this guitar journey of mine. I'm a dreamer and spent time in my dreams with a few superstars eg. Watching a movie in a cinema with Jimmy Stuart sat chatting next to me; meeting Neil Young at a tube station and helping him set up at a pub gig in London and at long last I spent an afternoon in Portsmouth walking round HMS Victory with you chatting about History and of course.. Music production in my dreams. Yeah, I admit it..I did ask for your autograph. 🙄 You were gracious, curious about the history of the place with your insatiable passion for learning. You're up there with the greats to my mind Rick and I'm nae being cranky to be sure. 'Rick Beato', fast becoming if not already, a living legend. The David Attenborough of music inspiration and passion. It's the 'passion' that sets you apart from the rest. Keep on rockin' throughout 2022 mate, I cant wait to see what you have lined up for us all...✌😎 Ooops! In all the excitement since you were talking about great session/ band musicians I forgot to suggest that it would be FAB to invite 'Steve Hunter' for an interview? Would've been even better to have Dick Wagner RIP there too. As a sparring guitar duo they were my inspiration back in the day.
edwardcaine
edwardcaine 10 meses atrás
Thank you Rick. I would like to point out that Danny Carey of Tool, one of the best metal drummers in the world does not use quantization or even a click track because he believes it takes away from the organic sound of the music.
Jon Binnie
Jon Binnie 10 meses atrás
Thank you Rick! I have released 83 albums on Spotify, all recorded live (digitally) with no quantization or autotune. To be honest writing a song everyday, I don't have time to edit using a PC. I just record to my Tascam Model 24 mixing desk. Love your insights thank you!
Scott McDavid
Scott McDavid 10 meses atrás
As an independent musician/producer and composer, a lot of the time I’m doing everything myself. From writing the song all the way to mastering it. So, it takes a lot of time for me to put out an album or EP of my own work. I play all the instruments, but keyboards and drums are my fortes and bass is usually ‘Practice practice, record about 30 takes, pick out the good ones, and use copy paste when possible’. I can play simple guitar parts… so… convenience means a lot. I can’t always afford to pay for players, and I can’t bring myself to ask them to play for free. I work in Logic, and it has a tuning feature that I use to spot correct a good capture of a vocal, but I don’t like tuning the whole track for the same reasons you spoke of. Organic nuances. And for me, I guess it might always be this way because maybe my music sucks, as I can’t seem to gather much of an audience. Having real players on my music is the most desirable way to produce, but, usually I can only afford to have a guitarist on 2 or 3 songs. I’m ok with working this way on my own projects, but man it’s slow. Thank goodness for the modern (tech) tools we have today, or I might not ever be able to get my music out there for nobody to hear. 😬
Scott McDavid
Scott McDavid 10 meses atrás
@Rob0neMusic I can see how it would be difficult without being versed in some sort of instrument, but it's certainly not a requirement. Many schools have music departments that sponsor or even host music workshops where composers, like yourself, no matter your level of experience, can gather and work on music in a broad manner, and you will find musicians there who are very instrument capable and probably willing to work on your music just for the experience. They may even bring ideas to your pieces that never occurred to you, and it ends up being a growing experience for the both of you. I believe it's worth your time to at least look into that option. When I lived in Birmingham, and then Atlanta, I did that kind of thing and found it quite helpful in meeting other musicians. Of course, playing gigs every week was especially helpful for that as well, but you see what I mean. The more you network yourself, the more talent you'll run into. I'm not telling you something you don't already know, but there it is.... keep at it. You probably have a certain sense about your own work, and this is why you pursue it. If it moves you, it will likely inspire others................................ at least that's what I keep telling myself. :O - Best of luck!!!
Rob0neMusic
Rob0neMusic 10 meses atrás
@Scott McDavid I actually wanted to start recording 7strings guitar and bass for my third concept album. I also wanted to work with a friend on it. The problem is that, by the fact that I started bass one year, ago, I suck at guitar and I can't even play my compositions ! I also tried to simplify the riffs, and I still couldn't record properly. So I decided to replace every guitar/bass parts with synths ans by thé fact that my friend found a time consuming job so I had to continue alone. I'm a composer, not an instrumentist, and I don't have the money to hire a full band. If I had to record every track myself, I wouldn't have release my first album yet
Scott McDavid
Scott McDavid 10 meses atrás
@Rob0neMusic I hear you. I do my fair share of drum programming when its appropriate, but I started out as a drummer and a piano player, so I kinda had a head start that began when I was 12ish. My Bass and guitar playing is very limited, so they have to be simple (very simple) parts, and even then I'll have to do take after take to get it right. Fortunately I have an electronic drum set, and I'll play sampled drums in as midi, where I can make drum sound substitutions or spot corrections. But for intricate parts on bass, guitar, or other instruments, I have to hire someone... I would much rather be able to record with experienced people, but I neither have the space or the $$ to do so, except on occasions.... that's why I make friends with studio owners :) lol
Rob0neMusic
Rob0neMusic 10 meses atrás
Thank you so much for your post. I started to get really annoyed by the people who keep saying that you SHOULD always have "real" drum, "real" bass etc... even though there is a lot of solo project, so that would require to be extremely skilled to be able to do EVERYTHING alone... Not everyone would like to wait 20 years in order to be able to do a solo project...
Scott McDavid
Scott McDavid 10 meses atrás
@Jeremy Thornton It even ends up being faster to just re-sing/punch-in the part, or at least in Logic it does. Good to hear from another DIY'er.
Real Life Peter Griffin
Real Life Peter Griffin 10 meses atrás
Always learning. Always creative. Ty for the inspiration Rick!
DeWayne KO4VNX
DeWayne KO4VNX 10 meses atrás
Drummer Dave Weckl's timing was so good, that he was accused of being a drum machine (literally, they said it wasn't a human drummer) back before we had the ability to digitally correct timing! Great example of the human giving nuance so slight that it doesn't have to be corrected.
Mal-2 KSC
Mal-2 KSC 10 meses atrás
I've found a really good, legit use for Autotune. I take the freestyling of someone who isn't enough of a musician to "make the changes" in a song, but then I send that mix back to them to sing it again, only knowing what note to aim for rather than being lost in space. There may be some pitch correction in the final mix too, but the heavy lifting is done in the stage of "give the singer a better demo", which gets totally filtered out of the final mix.
thebuds956
thebuds956 10 meses atrás
Who cares about the focus when you’re giving this amazing content for free. Love the channel Rick. Been a long time sub
AC Michaels
AC Michaels 10 meses atrás
Made me want to buy all of your books. I love your stuff man I grew up basically on 80’s rock and Grunge, however no one has ever broke it down this way. I’m An artist that is also against “cheating” just to get a good sound. The last album I did was in Long Beach CA, and I loved that the engineer told us “the best way to get a solid sound with you guys is to record it live.” I just love the honest sound of recording in a room, I’m 24 and I don’t want it any other way. Producers are so important. Rock on Rick we love ya 🤘
Rich Morpurgo
Rich Morpurgo 10 meses atrás
These things are just another tool. Production is art. I find I can save spirited takes that have flaws. That makes a better recording. You don’t have to make it perfect!
Martin Krijgsman Music
Martin Krijgsman Music 10 meses atrás
I have been experimenting with speeding up and slowing down the tempo map in a quantized and programmed song (a springsteen cover, No Surrender, it's on my channels). It does add energy and a live feel, but it also sounds like one of those 'make a beautiful painting from your favorite photograph' picture app filters.
Marc Volgers
Marc Volgers 10 meses atrás
26:40 Guitar Pro rules! I use it for complete scores, because you can add any instrument and the RSE sounds pretty ok.
Robin Gill
Robin Gill 10 meses atrás
Some tempos of great songs recorded in the late 60s and early 70s varied dramatically, unintentionally. Compare the tempo of Pink Floyd's "Money" at the start and at the end. I never noticed until I started using DAWs. I also recently read that a University of Madrid study actually confirmed what many of us oldies have known for a long time, that structures and harmonic sequences in popular music are gradually becoming simpler and simpler and simpler. Maybe there`ll come a time when all songs go A minor, F, C, G, are in 4/4, and have a sampled midi kick drum beat and autotuned vocals. Brian Eno, I read, said that displaying music in digital format has actually conditioned how we make it. I suppose it has always been conditioned by context and technology . Any major changes have come when paradigms (not only musical) change. And the big names are often heralded by someone we have hardly heard of.
Free Fallin'68
Free Fallin'68 10 meses atrás
To many of us, the imperfections in a mix add texture and character. Great skill inspires me, not perfection. The human element and the unexpected are what's most profound to me. I think many take issue with the reliance of Autotune and Protools and the extent of their use. But it's a different world now, and I'm trying to keep that in mind.
BricksJamRoom
BricksJamRoom 9 meses atrás
Just discovered your channel. Always been late to most parties. Good listen while I’m building my daily orders of BricksBiggsFix (tuning stability device for Bigsby guitars). Looks like with so many videos that I have plenty of listening time in the bank!
Ian Ireland
Ian Ireland 10 meses atrás
real musicians playing real instruments make real music. How many times has a great bit been found by misplaying something? "Perfection" removes the organic sound. This is why songs from the 60's and 70's are classics and still popular and modern songs disappear after 6 months
D313
D313 10 meses atrás
I'd love to see a video or video series highlighting famous or well known "mistakes" on popular recordings that added to the humanization or made the recording more real or better/gave them character ala the in-tune vocal crack on "Gimme Shelter".
Geoff Pointer
Geoff Pointer 10 meses atrás
I'm a composer who plays and produces everything on my own. I've been playing guitar since I was twelve and composing music since about fifteen and eventually added piano, because it's essential. I went full time almost four years ago, when I added alto/bari sax and drums, plus I have a big interest in what used to be called Musique Concrète . So far, I've mainly been skills building before I try and involve other people. I am on a five year plan, based on the reality of how many hours it takes to build skills at composing, arranging, playing at least six different instruments, sampling, recording and producing. Keep in mind I'm not starting from scratch, as I'm 65 and have been a serious student of music spasmodically for more than 43 years. I'm making no money, I can't afford to pay anyone else to play parts. I have some interest in pop, but zero interest in the pop world as a whole and most of my music is not pop and is relatively difficult to play, which adds significantly to the amount of time I have to practice to get complete, produced arrangements of my pieces. I use autotune, but not as an effect, only for repair. I am not aiming for perfection a la modern production - I want my pieces to sound like they're being played live. These modern producers would probably be horrified by my production, but I like it. Some of my favourite albums were made by artists back in the seventies and eighties, like Frank Zappa or King Crimson et al, who had very skilful bands that could perform complex music live. Zappa’s albums were often based on live tracks with or without overdubbing. In the meantime I guess I'll just have to content myself with my audience of about one hundred listeners and wait until this fad wears off. Although, I'm getting to like doing it this way. All this stuff I have to do feeds back into my composing and I'm very happy with how that's coming along, regardless of anyone else's interest in the results. I have two published tracks on albums. A cover of No More Mr Nice Girl by L Shankar on Lost Meat (also on Spotify) and a cover of Magic Fingers by Frank Zappa on Would You Like A Snack (not yet on Spotify). Both albums are available from Cordelia Records.
jacques Cousteau
jacques Cousteau 10 meses atrás
Here’s one for you. A live demo session in 1969 . The song is called “ Lovin Man “ . It’s on Sound Cloud under Jake Gerber or Randy Benjamin. You know two of the players ,rather who they are.
BurningJoe
BurningJoe 10 meses atrás
modern music is so heavily digitized to begin with (drums, bass, synths, etc), not having perfect vocals on top would sound incredibly odd. the very few actual bands that break into the Pop Charts (on occasion) have to compete with all the digital music so its no wonder that most of them follow the Producers lead and allow the quantizing and "perfecting" of everything. There are always exception to the norm, and the pendulum will swing back to the raw eventually...if its not already on its way back. Think of the 80's and the backlash that Punk and Metal (Heavy and Glam) was to the over produced Disco and that "Yacht Rock" (I hate that term too) of the 70's, its just taken a bit longer for the swing.
BurningJoe
BurningJoe 10 meses atrás
@Don Steele but that has been the standard for years, in all genres. From Janis to Diana Ross, heck even the likes of Sinatra. And that isn't just the producers and AR people making that happen, its the artists themselves, a swell of ego that makes them think that they can do it on their own, very few find the success that they thought they'd have, but the ones that do are beacons for the rest of them....hoping that they will be the success story and not the failure. But there is no denying that music has gone more digital, and that's mainly due to ease of use I think. And like I mentioned, the pendulum I think is swinging back.
Don Steele
Don Steele 10 meses atrás
I think you reason you don't hear many bands today in music is purely monetary. Producers and labels just don't want to deal with trying to keep all the members of a group happy. It's much easier to deal with (read: take advantage of) a solo performer than it is a group of performers who have different opinions, intelligence levels, and requirements. Groups can also suffer when one member leaves, often altering their sound and personality, thereby risking their longevity and ability to repeat past successes.
Mark Blanch
Mark Blanch 10 meses atrás
Such a great post Rick, as always, spot on. As a drummer it's killing me that musicians don't understand who has to keep time in the band. The answer being THE BAND. Pointless trying to work time or a studio if they don't get that. They can't keep time, so they go into the studio and can't use click (and aren't good enough to play time because they thought that was someone else's job) so the whole thing goes Straight Down The Tube. Such a waste of time and money for all, and defs a way to break up a band. Also, the same, if not more, don't understand time. A tight band ebbs and flows together as many songs require, or plays straight down the line. TOGETHER. Too many lazy, uneducated "musicians" getting around and about
Martin Addison
Martin Addison 10 meses atrás
@Elle Sea Billie Eilish is a good recent example.
Elle Sea
Elle Sea 10 meses atrás
If the easiest way into music is at home on their own, I wonder how that would happen.
Mark Blanche
Mark Blanche 10 meses atrás
Well said Mr. Blanch! 😝
Martin Addison
Martin Addison 10 meses atrás
Perfect example is Rush playing Spirit of the Radio, they morph between tempos and do it together. That was cut to tape, no Pro Tools.
Carl Van Den Berg
Carl Van Den Berg 10 meses atrás
This was a real eye opener.Thank you Rick.
C vVv
C vVv 10 meses atrás
Great video as always Rick and a happy new year . 😎👍
W7
W7 10 meses atrás
Listened to Made In Japan the other day, almost started to cry. So groovy and so alive. I don't bash editing, I've done it myself. But MIJ playing touched me and I'm positive it was how they played. These guys, coming from a jazz/blues environment in those days, never played straight 16 notes. Always some hanging somewhere especially drummers. Ian Pace, Mitch Mitchell comes to mind.
John
John 10 meses atrás
The Beato show on Netflix would be legendary!! That’ll get Paul, Jimmy and David!!
grasshoffers
grasshoffers 10 meses atrás
Maybe an entire album production documentary.
muddygti
muddygti 10 meses atrás
It seems like another form of artistry that will be lost to the ages because the majority won’t appreciate the value of it, like things that get mass produced like a nice piece of timber furniture… I love your work Rick, you’re like a music “nerd/geek” and I learn so many things about music from you, keep it up 👍🏻😁 Cheers.
Myth-ter Moth
Myth-ter Moth 10 meses atrás
I think i just realised why i love watching people playing and singing on youtube, and go out to hear bands play live, but i hardly ever listen to any pop music recorded much later than the naughties. Morgan James and some fantastic acoustic guitar player whose name escapes me do a wonderful version of "Ordinary World" on youtube.
Gerald Leary
Gerald Leary 10 meses atrás
I've been listening to music seriously ( and by music, I mean everything from Hard Core Rock to Gregorian Chant ) since the mid 60s and believe I have a pretty educated, critical ear. I also had the good fortune to have had access to some of the best listening equipment ( from the early Heath Kit amps, Gerrard turntables and Voice of the Theatre speakers ) due to my friends in the stereo equipment retail business in the late 60s through the 70s. My personal feeling regarding Auto Tune and the other tools used by producers today is that it AI's the music and performers. I mean this in the sense that it artificializes ( is that a word? ) or sanitizes it in much the same way that HVAC equipment in a building or mall strips all of the refreshment out of clean, crisp fresh air. Over time I've come to prefer Live recordings ( and concert discs ) over the studio perfected product precisely because of their imperfections and individuality.
Floridaclarinetstudio
Floridaclarinetstudio 10 meses atrás
GREAT vid Rick! :) Here's the bottom line- "Modern perfection" in recording will eventually (and has already to a large degree) removed the human creative/spontaneous/artistic aspect out of music and replace it with something machines i.e. computers can and will make. By definition MUSIC must be kept human with all its flaws and warts WHILE STILL aspiring to the highest level of human talent/ability. "Modern perfectionism" must NOT be embraced to the point of killing off the HUMAN aspect of art- ELSE everything we define as art eventually will be made by AI. There's obviously a deeper metaphor here (tech serves us but to WHAT end?), but I've ranted long enough :) Keep up the GREAT work! :)
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