Oh my gosh you called him out on his flatulence. 🤣 Terrible but funny. Thank you both for sharing. I'm going to ask my husband to listen to this podcast. We both need to grow.
Please don’t ever think this podcast isn’t doing WORK because it 100% is. Jackie can speak about the things in my heart so well and Preston helps me see the ways that marriage is hard for my husband. Can’t thank y’all enough ❤ y’all are my therapist(s) 😂
I think the biggest issue for men is summary is to submit themselves to Christ first. If you can't submit to Christ's headship how are you going to lead your wife? Through a man's unsubmissive behavior, he desires Christs headship which is above his own. When we look at Christ's leadership, like Preston was saying, He submitted his authority and power out of love for us. So if you're a guy, learn how to submit to Christ, learn the characteristics of Christs leadership in your life, submit your authority and power out of love for your wife, and lead from that posture.
Amen Aaron! Ephesians 5:22 is often quoted , however, there is submission required on both ends. I think it’s arrogant to think that the wife should just submit to any and everything, yet the husband isn’t submitted the Lordship of Christ. Paul to the Corinthians said, “follow me as I follow Christ” (1 Cor. 11:1)…”as” meaning to the same extent or degree; equally. Where are your directions coming from?!
In the age of the manosphere. Men who are looking for manly advice can find it in submission and humility to Christ. Christ was both God and man .Why wouldn't he know more about us as men than we understand ourselves.
“It’s exhausting to always have our sins put before us. Relaxing and becoming a safer space leads to trust” Not the exact quote but this is so real and can be applied to all of our relationships with others.
Ooooh! Yeah that was a word! Trying to balance out this one in my parenting…not being my child’s “friend” because, well I’m the parent, but at the same time being able to have healthy exchanges that don’t always result in me pointing out flaws or creating that “unsafe” to talk feeling. That was so profoundly on point for me too!
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Im so happy I'm.not a man because being the Head is a huge responsibility. Your wife and kids life is literally in their hands, Dominance/Headship is actually a humble role.
Lol I’m with Jackie but I wouldn’t say aggressive. I like assertiveness. Let me know what it is and stand in it! Say it with your whole chest…ya know. I love y’all talks, it feeds my soul.
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Yes Jackie he said “stifling” correctly ! It was funny when he called you out about correcting him. I could see how “muffle” would also work in the place of “muzzle”. Love this! 😂😊
So good. This is a convo to have before marriage. So much strife would not exist. Whew. Grateful my husband and I figured it out over time. But that was 5 years in! This topic is such a perspective changer.
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As someone who’s currently engaged and has endured long time exposure to the toxicity of my parents’ divorce, I can’t even begin to tell y’all how much this episode means to me. Only God knows how much this podcast has blessed my life. I appreciate the way in which y’all never beat around the bush. It was edifying, convicting and encouraging as per usual. May God continue to bless y’all. Patiently waiting for part 2.
Submission is one thing I struggled real hard with. At first you couldn’t tell me nothing, I never wanted to submit but i prayed to God to soften my heart. I’m still learning to put it in a practical sense
This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to be careful who you marry. You have to make sure that you talk about as much as humanly possible regarding a wide variety of issues that you are going to encounter over the next 50 years.
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“Being humble enough to meet them where they are.” That’s good Preston! 👏🏾 I’m learning to not force my husband to talk when I’m ready but when he’s ready. Thank you both for sharing this
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@Masego Ramasodi Definitely! Someone called me ‘basic’ years ago, & at the time I was super hurt & offended. Now I embrace it! 😂 Jesus loves me, & I’m happy & confident in who I am. That’s all that matters!
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Just wanted to say, God blesses me sooo much through y’all’s marriage/ministry. I love you guys and I’m praying the Holy Spirit continues to empower you to talk through these things. It’s healing generations❤️🔥
You really have to be “whole enough” and healed enough, confident in the lord and your identity enough… to trust and submit to the lords model of submission as a woman, and proper headship as the man. Ultimately the Holy Spirit gone check both to keep them in their perspective roles. Humility is key. Excellent conversation as always 😊
I grew up without a father and didn’t see healthy, affirming examples of manhood until I became an adult, which is pretty recent. I watched the lives of the most important women in my life be made worse on every level from submitting to faulty men. My biggest gripe when it comes down to this convo is that not much grace & reasoning are given to women who don’t want to submit or do want to, but have perspectives similar to mine. I don’t want to lose my identity in marriage and I fear submitting to the wrong man. I appreciate the way y’all framed this convo & I look forward to part 2!
When i read this: i don't intepret it as you "dont want to submit" BUT rather that "You Are Afraid of submitting" due to what you saw. I say this because truly if Jesus came and said to you "This is your man, i created him for you and he is truly submitted to me, my Spirit and my Father plus he knows what you've been through and he will lead you well. At times he will make mistakes but the grace is there for both of you." I don't think you'd say NO. I hope I am correct 🤷🏾♀️
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This was so convicting, and I definitely look forward to part two when it comes. I was most convicted by how Preston says he was early on in his marriage. I heard him describing me, help Holy Spirit
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I love the genuine authenticity of this conversation! Very cool! Y’all talk about things we should talk about more in church, in families, in marriages, and among friends. ❤
To whoever is reading this keep going, you’re doing fine! No matter how slow your progress, each new week is filled with tiny steps forward. Be proud of yourself you got this.
Oh my goodness, I love listening to you two. And I just love how deep in the word you are. I recently got married (well we have been married for 3 years now) and I struggle with the whole submission thing, because of what I have seen in the church and also society I guess. I am even afraid of letting God teach me on the matter because I think there's a part of me that feels like submission favors the man. I am quite immature when it comes to the subject but I am married! Lord help me. lol. And I sometimes avoid Gods true teaching. Thats the Holy Spirits prompting. Please pray for me saints.
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Just a really all around great episode. Preston did a great job at breaking down headship and how we as men can do better. I love the balance between you two 🙌🏾
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Perry’s, thank you for this message and conversation. I enjoy and appreciate the two of you and your wisdom. Preston, has growing up “closer to the streets” affected how you may lead? I ask because I have seen and recognized this for myself and with my own upbringing and environment have been more of a “bully” at times and it’s something I’ve had to grow from and give to Christ.
Trust! When he said that- I was like ahhhhh- That’s the key- make sure you trust your partner or spouse. Also, having that safe place in a person is so important ❤part II please!!!😊
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Great convo! My husband is the leader but I handle certain things. We consult each other before making big decisions but if we disagree on something and can’t compromise (which is rare) he makes the final decision. He makes it easier to submit because he is an awesome husband. I say EASIER not easy because the sinful side of me wants to run the show at all times lol
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I would say Mrs. Perry's assessment of domineering men feeling insecure is SPOT ON.. That insecurity is rooted in what was stated from 43:00 onward - the fear of LOSING. Most men understand to a degree the level of power that women have over them. The line from passivity to domineering is rooted in the man's focus. If the man's focus is on losing the woman he will become passive. If his focus is on the fear of losing his manhood he will become domineering. But the man leads BIBLICALLY fears losing the favor of God. Most men fear losing the woman. But all men need to be taught to Fear God
@BluDrop5 Here is the thing.... the man who fears losing his wife is doing almost everything that the woman wants... and still loses. That was the case with Adam, and that is the case in COUNTLESS marriages where the man tries to do everything to please the wife and it still fails. It is only the man who fears losing God's favor that can do what is necessary to keep his marriage. In fact, in most cases he doesn't even have to worry about that. The man who fears losing his wife places his wife on a throne (like an idol). The man who fears losing his manhood, places his wife as a footstool to rule over. But the man who fears losing God's favor places GOD on the throne so that He can work to keep the marriage intact. That man also has a correct view of who his wife is - not above, not below, but his equal... for only God is above her.
Interesting perspective. I wonder if a men who feared losing his woman would use that a way to honor, value, and cherish her more, instead of being passive. If a man fears losing his car, house, or job , and takes the appropriate steps to ward that off - then they should do the same with their marriage.
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This was excellent truths that will benefit all men, women, married and wanting to be married. The humor is the cherry on top🤣! Jackie is a comedian and doesn’t even know it! Or maybe she does😂
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Thank you two for being obedient to the Lord in your ministry (and marriage) and for being transparent about your journey! So many nuggets of wisdom dropped here!!
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The current angel In my life loves your relationship, your synergy with your old poems and she wants us do a piece somewhat imitating the "Adam and Eve" piece. Thank you. Knowing the possibility of a synergy and oneness in spoken word even though her's are more authentic than mine has created a new path for me in Christ. Plus Ultra.
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This is a good discussion. I have one observation. I sympathatize with the fears that most women have when they hear about submission and marriage. The overwhelming majority of men have failed to live up to the Biblical model of headship, However, I disagree that it is because of men domineering their wives. Most men fail in the SAME WAY that Adam failed -- most men WILLINGLY cower and give up their headship to their wives. From Adam to Ahab and onward the men are all too willing to do what the women want. The ugly truth is that most men are like Adam and need to learn to put God above their wives.
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This is a very packed and filled episode with good information but I guess the question that really got me is what does it mean to truly be under submission versus what I’ve been living like and am I just the issue. My partner and I both have very strong personalities just in different ways and sometimes it’s hard for me to take into account his direction because it comes off harsher than and not so much as wisdom. I could totally relate though when you guys talked about his transition period and “how it was hard to pick him up because you felt you would be condemned for your sins”. I have felt like that and I want my partner to hold me accountable but not overbearing
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I love and appreciate you guys' view and definitions on this topic. Your discussions are refreshing! The fact that each husband (and wife) will have a different view of what leadership looks like for them and their marriages is something I'm going to ponder on even after this video!
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“Your sins are in the sea of forgiveness but I swim in them sometimes.” That’s understanding actual forgiveness but our human nature in holding onto things. That’s a real struggle. Thank you so much for the grace y’all consistently show each other and the transparency you choose to have with others.
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I’ve lived a long life under my own headship, submitting only to myself and God when I found it convenient or after I’d majorly messed up very much. After being a mother, trying to stay gainfully employed and solely carry the responsibility and power of being the head of my children and our household; I can say that women who fight to hold that torch have never held it. Women who campaign to wear the fire of God-ordained authority are mad. Those who abuse it (on the other hand) are racking up their reaping. As for me and my life, I would freely and JOYFULLY hand over the job. Because whew child…
Whew!!!! This is going to help my marriage so much. My husband sent this link to me and we both receive this message. It was deep on so many levels. I definitely subscribed to the channel because wisdom like this is refreshing. I have work to do! Thank you both!
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Thank you for this.I feel if I can not "feel" controlled by my husband being in charge I won't feel dominated. I should be proud of my husband and joyful to stay in my position.
Both spouses are to submit. Eph 5:21 KJV. However, we as wives are to submit to a husband that submissive to God. Wonderful conversations between the two of you and I love these discussions.
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Gosh this is so good. I felt the fear of the Lord for any man who practices Christlike headship. Beautiful conversation and exchange Mr. & Mrs. Perry! :)
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This blessed me SOOOOOOO good bc of the level of honesty shared by both of you, especially Preston as a man talking about headship and doing it God’s way. The dominate talk often in marriage is about women and submission but THIS RIGHT HERE !!!!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 thank you both. Sharing this episode and the one on submission to my marriage group.
Hey guys! Thank u for this conversation. I will say that no where in Gen 2 does God tell Adam and Eve one is in authority over another, even Adam doesn't say that. Once I read Gen 2 in The Passion, it helped. Eve was told something by Adam b/c of what she said to the serpant. Adam was given the command and Adam threw Eve under the bus after she was deceived. Adam created the rift in the relationship. I feel bad for him and her. They didn't know what to do I don't think. B/c Adam created the rift, it took Christ, The Second Adam to restore this. Gen 3 is about the curse over each, it's not something we are supposed to emulate. Why do we hold onto this? The word Kephale in the Greek translates to a word that basicslly means strength, not someone who is not equal or subordinate. We forget Eph 5:21, submit one to another and to Jesus. Eph 5:22 does not have the word submit in the Greek, it says Wives to Husbands. I appreciate you all addressing domination. Domination and control are evil and as witchcraft, no matter which partner it comes from. This is why radical feminism and patriarchy are wrong. Both are part of the curse. We must partner and work together, like a Lion and Lionness standing together, side by side. Thank you all for all you do! ❤️🙏
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"Whatever With The Perry's" ABBA Is building a tremendous depth of understanding in Our Young People... You both have come a very long way. YISSIAH is doing a marvelous work in You Both through Your family. I must say that this is part of the great loss we suffered as a Hebrew People when we became Slaves... The things that Abba Yah gave us in His Laws, statutes, and commandments, (TORAH) along with the wisdom and understanding of our elders and Ancestors, was lost in the chain of development that Our YAH instituted as our guidance. The effects of our separation from knowing who we truly are as a People, has bankrupted our lives in ways that has devastated our culture as a Hebrew and ISRAELITE Community, in a massive way. I have found you both and your family again,,, it is quite wonderful. I was qurious, about how YAH would grow Jackie when He allowed her to birth a son,,, I saw that there would be great nuggets there... But to see how YAH is growing Preston and developing his custodianship over his family and mentees is amazing. I am convinced, that the story of your family is indeed a declaration of YAH'S Grace and blessing towards all People, both Straight and LGBTQ People who do not yet know OUR ABBA YAH. I have said in the past, that molestation of our young people is driving the growth of the LGBTQ community. Some People with conflicted genitalia are a special People who YAH has made for Himself. Anyone between these poles,,, Yah can and will restore to Himself and grant an amazing life of testimony of His GRACE.... May ABBA'S Name be Lifted High in Praise and ADORATION for His love and Wonderful Salvation Plan In YISSIAH The CHRIST,,, now and Forever More. We LOVE 💕💕💕 YOU LORD YAH and YISSIAH whom You Have Sent... Amen. May all LGBTQ People,,, Call upon the Lord while He is Near... He will hear YOU.
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@BluDrop5 I've mentioned it once back when we first got married but not since then. Are you asking if he has a relationship with God? I think he used to but I'm not sure. He reads his Bible a lot and I imagine he prays. We don't do that together so I'm guessing.
Thanks for your honesty. Have you tried discussing this with him? If so, what was the outcome? Also, does he submit to God? If so, would you feel better that what he's stating is also God's intention for your marriage?
Such a good convo! Seen too many women be upset with scripture/leave the faith due to having horrific examples of Godly headship that has been corrupted with worldly male dominance. And I’ve also seen way too many men commanding submission from women that they aren’t even married to, and worst yet they aren’t even saved / aren’t submitting to God first. More people need to see this!
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I need to hear from Jackie on how she handled her marriage while her husband was going through the transitions on being a better leader in the marriage. Edit: I wrote too soon becuz she did speak on it , but I would love to hear more from Jackie
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This is great stuff. I love listening to your podcasts. They give me a realistic perspective on how to follow Jesus. I have one request, can you caption your videos? I work in the deaf community, and I would love to share these videos with them as many do not know Jesus, but I can't because they are not captioned. The auto caption doesn't work well - it messes up the words. For example it was captioning headship as hardship. :( Hoping this is something you could add!
