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French mornings with Elisa
Thanks again for the invitation Norbert ! This was so much fun !
BuzzKirill
BuzzKirill Mês atrás
Plug
Le_Trouvere
Le_Trouvere 4 meses atrás
Many of my fav language youtubers all together !
Jonas
Jonas 5 meses atrás
@Rugueuxby Surson31 heu...
Valeria Mirabai Pereira
@FrenchMorningsWithElisa we've been missing Liga Romanica so bad 😭
Rugueuxby Surson31
Rugueuxby Surson31 5 meses atrás
??????/ Pourquoi l'anglais ?
CommonCommie studios
CommonCommie studios 5 meses atrás
Alternative title: The rebels of the family come to visit their great-grandfather
Håkan Storsäter
Håkan Storsäter 15 dias atrás
Kids nowadays. They slur so hard that it's almost incomprehensible. And too many vulgar loanwords from all the Celts and Saxons they hang out with! Uncouth, I say!
Vlodya
Vlodya 2 meses atrás
@wyqtor vulgar latin isn't a thing
Shane Michael Neal
Shane Michael Neal 3 meses atrás
Haha!!
Hrólfr
Hrólfr 4 meses atrás
And Romanian is the daughter that came back to visit after several years with her Slavic boyfriend.
Eric Barlow
Eric Barlow 4 meses atrás
@wyqtor with some influence from dad’s siblings (aunts and uncles) the langue d’öil.
hurtig heinz
hurtig heinz 4 meses atrás
I'm native German and never learned French but I had 4 years of Latin in school. I'm amazed at how much I do understand in both languages. Such a great video!
Busta von Nutz
Busta von Nutz 5 meses atrás
Only through interactions like this do you really see how much German/Frankish & Gaulish have influenced the French lexicon & phonology.
steamfunk19
steamfunk19 4 meses atrás
​@Busta von Nutz I would be careful with this Gaulish-Frankish assumption. As a linguistics student I was told there's only 500 gaulish words in the french language and all of them are related to agriculture so it's very limited. The franks had more influence on phonology than on the vocabulary so to speak (1000 germanic words from this period remain approximately) which might explain why french sounds different. The foreign words come from the arab language, we borrowed a lot of words from the Italians during the renaissance but also from classical latin and greek and yeah lately english turns out to but the first language to be borrowed from
Busta von Nutz
Busta von Nutz 4 meses atrás
@steamfunk19 That means that 1/5 French words don't though. That's heavy, & unlike English those non-Latin words are likely not as redundant or underutilized. Gaulish & Frankish are the biggest two, but now even English (e.g. Weekend, Email, etc) are worming their way into French ironically. Language is fascinating.
steamfunk19
steamfunk19 4 meses atrás
80% of the french vocabulary still comes from latin though
ScorpioMartianus
ScorpioMartianus 5 meses atrás
Merci to everyone! It was a great time.
Goofy GrandLouis
Goofy GrandLouis 4 meses atrás
Can ScorpioMartianus speak ALL romance languages ? I mean since you've figured out the root latin words of each, applying the different "conversion templates" should not be hard for you. Right ?
E B.
E B. 5 meses atrás
it's funny that you add the emphasis on the 5 w words. the h.
Th3Unf0rg1v3n95
Th3Unf0rg1v3n95 5 meses atrás
I didn't know you are former active duty military! That's awesome and thank you for your service
Рауль Каримов
Luke, may I ask you who the conversation partner was in the first Latin dialogue? The voice sounded quite similar to that of the Italian teacher who, together with you and a Polish professor, took part in the games with the Romanian teacher
Romanophonie
Romanophonie 5 meses atrás
Optimus es, Luciī!
Under average cuber
Under average cuber 5 meses atrás
I can vouch for what Luke said at the end about making this more difficult. I've been using LLPSI to learn Latin for the past few months and was a little bit surprised at how hard it to understand the Latin in this video, especially given that I could very easily understand everything he was saying in the other Latin videos on this channel. I breathed a sigh of relief when I heard him say he purposefully made it hard!
eric trombini
eric trombini 3 meses atrás
@Charles Kerkeson yes like comprar in portuguese, but when I'm in the Latin mindset 'comparare' doesnt come to my mind for 'to buy' but rather 'emere'. When I hear comparare, I think of its standard definition 'to compare' or 'to join together'. Comparare does actually become the word 'to buy' in many of the romance language but I guess where it differs is in idiomatic expression.
Charles Kerkeson
Charles Kerkeson 3 meses atrás
@eric trombini what’s funny is comparare is more similar to many of the contemporary Latin words for “to buy.”
eric trombini
eric trombini 4 meses atrás
ya I was kind of confused when he used the verb 'comparare' instead of 'emere' for to buy when he translated that seinfeld joke, as "emere" is just that standard word you see often.
Phil Ramsden
Phil Ramsden 5 meses atrás
Yes, this! I learned Latin at school, and speak a little Spanish and French, and watch a lot of Luke's stuff, and I struggled *mightily* with most of these tasks!
Wolfgang Sourdeau
Wolfgang Sourdeau 5 meses atrás
The dialogues bring a very nice format variation. Also, Luke is a very welcoming host. It's nice to see how he encourages people.
Nadezda Djurovic
Nadezda Djurovic 5 meses atrás
I've been speaking French almost my whole (long) life. I had Latin classes at the University. Nevertheless, I understood only about 20% of everything. Donc, amis francophones, chapeau! Luke, excellent as always. Thank you all, thank you Norbert 🥰
Celine RocaM
Celine RocaM 5 meses atrás
That was fun! 😄 I have roughly the same level of understanding of Latin as the people in this video, so that was definitely interesting to watch. Thank you for the video! 🙏 Greetings from France 🇫🇷
Sem S
Sem S 2 meses atrás
I have more trouble understanding Quebec french than Latin 😅
Couch Polyglot
Couch Polyglot 5 meses atrás
Two of my favourite languages BRvidrs in one video 😍😍😍 I love Elisa's and Luke's channels!! I am always surprised at how much Latin I can understand from such videos, it was not my biggest strength at school 😅
Hasufel y Arod
Hasufel y Arod 5 meses atrás
I love everything you produce and when Lucius Ranierius is here, I know we all are in for a lingüistic treat.
Igor Willian
Igor Willian 5 meses atrás
Como falante de Português, entendi mais o latim do que o francês
Thelaretus
Thelaretus 3 meses atrás
Não preciso de legendas para o latim ou o inglês, mas a francês judiou de mim.
Allejandro David
Allejandro David 5 meses atrás
@SATIN アニメ sim, certo
SATIN アニメ
SATIN アニメ 5 meses atrás
@Allejandro David sim mas não mudou ao extremo pra ficar como "primo distante" das outras linguas latinas.
Allejandro David
Allejandro David 5 meses atrás
​@SATIN アニメ português também ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mohamad mosa
mohamad mosa 5 meses atrás
Words can't describe how I'm happy to see latin series once again 🤩, great job as always Norbert and all participants!! Now what's missing is comparing Catalan, Occitan, Portuguese and Spanish varietes (other than Brazilian and Mexican respectively) with Latin😁!!
Cosmin A.M.
Cosmin A.M. 5 meses atrás
As a romanian, I' ve understood the number 1 around 95%. I just missed one or two words, and that scared me. So I got the word after the first sentence in latin.
Kelly Mcbright
Kelly Mcbright 2 meses atrás
@MOFFAT plures, not "plurales". He did not talk about grammar :)
MOFFAT
MOFFAT 5 meses atrás
@Cosmin A.M. i only speak English but i guessed apartment also, from the "habitant homines" and when the girl asked if it was a singular person or many people and he said "plurales"....i quite surprised myself haha
Cosmin A.M.
Cosmin A.M. 5 meses atrás
@Morrov555 I see that, but you've understood some of the words and you've guessed the idea. I've literally understood every single word.
Morrov555
Morrov555 5 meses atrás
I don't speak any Romanca language and I managed to get roughly what he was talking about. I guessed house/apartment. Cognates and loanwords from Laitn and French in both English and my native Polish were enough hah
Ion Brad
Ion Brad 5 meses atrás
Me too. But I also know French and some Italian & Spanish. Edificiu, habitat - are recent loanwords in Romanian, from Latin thru French and/or Italian.
Aline Vondeling
Aline Vondeling 5 meses atrás
O latim soa maravilhosamente! Também ADORO ❤️ esses jogos linguísticos , são extremamente inteligentes e bem elaborados! Um dia quero participar, amigo 👍 saudações suíço- brasileiras 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇨🇭🇨🇭pozdrowienia 😉
Ecolinguist
Ecolinguist 5 meses atrás
Pozdrowienia! 🤗
Laura S
Laura S 4 meses atrás
I'm French but I agree with what two of them mentioned: I also know Spanish and it helped way more than French. Well, I still didn't get most of it 😅 but what I did understand was mostly based on Spanish knowledge.
Wolfgang Sourdeau
Wolfgang Sourdeau 5 meses atrás
As a French speaker, I am very impressed at the performance of the three "contestants". With the little I remember from Latin and Italian, I could recognize some words here and there but the rythm and the tones were too unsettling to understand anything meaningful. With regards to Luke's comment, I doubt anyone without any knowledge of Latin or any other romance language would fare that well.
Guillermo Rivas
Guillermo Rivas 5 meses atrás
Sardinian (logudorese/nuorese) versus Latin should be done. It would finally show all of us if Sardinians can understand Classical Latin.
Ricky Jaeger
Ricky Jaeger 5 meses atrás
Sure, I imagine it will just be a matter of getting a day when all three Sardinians on the island can have the same day off.
mohamad mosa
mohamad mosa 5 meses atrás
I agree, definitely would be interesting to see!!
Adán Peña
Adán Peña 5 meses atrás
As Spanish speaker, Latin was strangely very familiar to my ears. I could not get everything but in general, I could understand what Luke was saying. Some of the sentences were really close to the Spanish. "Aedificium in quo homines habitant" = Edificio en el que los hombres habitan Tam felix sum! = Tan feliz soy! French, however, sounds really different but written is easy to catch. It was a great video. Thanks for it :)
Álvaro Sánchez Guzmán
​@Guillermo Rivas Junto con saludar, creo que tu afirmación es objetable: es difícil realizar una comparación objetiva, especialmente cuando el español y el italiano perdieron el sistema de casos y declinaciones tan característico del latín. Indudablemente ambas lenguas descienden del latín, pero afirmar que una a veces es más cercana al latín que otra parece provenir más bien de un sesgo de selección (cherry-picking) que de un consenso entre especialistas, más aún al compararlo con el latín clásico que debe haber sido hablado por una minoría culta muy reducida dentro de todo el imperio. Y aún si lo fuera, no tendría ninguna relevancia práctica aparte de la anecdótica. Saludos.
Guillaume CHEVALLIER
Guillaume CHEVALLIER 5 meses atrás
Aedificium in quo homines habitant = Un édifice dans lequel les hommes habitent Maybe it seem different for a foreigner, but as a french speaker these 2 look higgggghly similar :)
Guillermo Rivas
Guillermo Rivas 5 meses atrás
Spanish is not as distant to Latin. It's arguably the 2nd closest language to Latin overall but, at times, it is even closer to Latin than Italian -- especially in the verb conjugation and ossified words.
Tiqerboy
Tiqerboy 5 meses atrás
"Aedificium in quo homines habitant" also easy for anyone who speaks French. You're right about reading French over understanding it spoken. I'm the same way with Spanish. I was able to get around in Mexico because many of the words looked familiar enough to me.
canko15
canko15 5 meses atrás
Luke sheds charisma wherever he is
Bramantyo Prahoro
Bramantyo Prahoro 3 meses atrás
@Deipatrous Bald men attract more women than hairy ones. ☺
Deipatrous
Deipatrous 3 meses atrás
and hairs
Bramantyo Prahoro
Bramantyo Prahoro 4 meses atrás
Hail Caesar Lucius!
MrRichManGuy
MrRichManGuy 4 meses atrás
Yeah if charisma means skin
Amadeus Gabriel Moyano Manchon
Si sos argentino, bonita foto de perfil ... Buena idea para una bandera.
默
5 meses atrás
That was lovely, thanks Norbert, Luke, and all participants!
Reactions
Reactions 5 meses atrás
I would imagine that Latin would be easier to understand to native Italian or Spanish speakers than French.
Adrien
Adrien 4 meses atrás
I also think it depends on how they approach the language, French is my mother tongue and the only romance lanquage I speak but I was surprised by how difficult it is for them to understand as I could make sense of what was said on the first listening. I think it is because of the way by which I learnt to write french, ortographe did not make sense when I was little until I started thinking about the whole semantic field of the words I wanted to write before puting them on the paper so I trained myself into knowing word declinaisons which are closer to latin.
joey C W
joey C W 5 meses atrás
Understand ? For sure . But much easier to read as french has been very conservative in it's spelling
Combatant Ezoteric
Combatant Ezoteric 5 meses atrás
in spanish some latin adverbs like nunca(
amjan
amjan 5 meses atrás
Of course it is. Watch other videos with Latin and Spanish/Italian speakers.
P. Morgan
P. Morgan 5 meses atrás
I'm French and learned some Latin at school although it was a long time ago and frankly I found the challenge really difficult, it's much more difficult for us than understanding Italian for instance which is fairly easy for me. I got the first one right (I thought of a multifamily housing building, and even remembered it was called "insula", I think from some Asterix comic). I got part of the second one, thought it was in a restaurant or a dining room and that the guest was talking to a boy (puer) bringing him food. The other ones were hard: I got that in one case it was windy but that was about all, thought the fourth one was in the airport or something and I heard something about the military, but frankly I could not figure out the story. The last one escaped me entirely, I just understood it was a married couple because the man said "salve uxor" and I vaguely remembered that "uxor" was a married woman. Of course with individual words like the first one it would have been much easier, but still it shows that there is a big gap between understanding individual words, often fairly similar to their French equivalents, and actually understanding a real dialogue in Latin. Veni, vidi, non vici !
Alovio Anidio
Alovio Anidio 5 meses atrás
That was so cruel, Norbert. Loved it.
Ecolinguist
Ecolinguist 5 meses atrás
Cris05
Cris05 5 meses atrás
I always love these Latin challenges. Great job all around! I recognised the Seinfeld quote as soon as you said "I could sell my mother" And during the 3rd challenge I was "screaming" the seaside until Eliza mentioned it.
Pepin The Short
Pepin The Short 5 meses atrás
I felt good about the first two challenges. Figured out the second by the word cibum. Two years of Latin in high school 30 years ago. And being married to a Latin teacher helped me absorb a bit.
Ecolinguist
Ecolinguist 5 meses atrás
Let me know if the French title is translated correctly. I used last minute google translation to be able to publish the video today. :) Also if you spot any issues with the captions please let me know. I hope you're going to enjoy this video as much as I did! 🤗
q̵͑͜w̴̢̅e̵͖͐ŕ̵͙t̴̪̎y̶̻̋u̷͍͠ï̷̤o̷̲͐p̴͈̀a̴̘͛s̸̨͑d̷͠
Do not worry. It's correct. Nothing that will bug any french speaking person.
Ecolinguist
Ecolinguist 5 meses atrás
@paradoxmo To make it easier to switch from one language to the other you can open the transcript of the video (three dots menu under the video). It will be displayed next to the video along with subtitles and you can change the language displayed there so it's different from the captions displayed in the video.
paradoxmo
paradoxmo 5 meses atrás
Hi Norbert. I found the lack of transcriptions burnt into the video (as was normal in previous videos) a bit distracting as I had to keep switching subtitle tracks whenever the language changed. The translated subtitles were also much less accurate, which makes sense since you used machine transcription and translation. Since a lot of people use these for language learning, I think it’s important for the translations to be accurate and complete. Just my preference, but I would rather wait for the video to come out with these features rather than see the video sooner- a lot of people watch these videos years later, and I think quality for the long term is better than expediency in the short term. If you need people to help transcribe or translate in order to put out the video faster, I’m sure you could ask Patreons for assistance.
Kébé Eyong
Kébé Eyong 5 meses atrás
@Ecolinguist 29:50 ...somehow of Spanish than **of** French...
EG Music
EG Music 5 meses atrás
@Ecolinguist You should do a video in Esperanto!
ToscaSam
ToscaSam 5 meses atrás
Brilliant!! I love French, I wish I knew it better and and I'm always interested in hearing native speakers. And Luke❤️ I love his Latin content, he is the best, so encouraging and talented. Thank you for this, Norbert.
Alf
Alf 5 meses atrás
Very good to invite an African! People use to forget that there is more French speaking people in Africa than anywhere else in the world!
Thelaretus
Thelaretus 3 meses atrás
Lingua francogallica āfricāna vērē mālō. Tam clāra est!
Ilario Michelini
Ilario Michelini 5 meses atrás
this is always great! really great! my french is not that good, so I struggled a bit with the speed of the spoken french-quebec parts, but it was fun as always!
Romanophonie
Romanophonie 5 meses atrás
What a wonderful video! Well, any video with Luke is just excellent. Lucius valdē inteligentes est et perbenē Latīne loquitur! J’ai bien aimé l’entendre parler un peu de français. Et les concurrents étaient supers aussi !
Romanophonie
Romanophonie 5 meses atrás
@767scarecrow Yes. A few months ago, they said they were taking a break until September/October. They should be back soon.
767scarecrow
767scarecrow 5 meses atrás
Hey, do you know what happened to liga romanica?
Rubikraft
Rubikraft 3 meses atrás
I'm French without any knowledge of Spanish and a bit of knowledge of Latin, and I think I understood less than them, most of the time (the last challenge is the only one that I understood better than them, not because of my knowledge of French but actually from my knowledge of Latin). I think that this challenge would have been more interesting with French people without any knowledge of other romance languages. Because they all say at the end of the video that their knowledge of Spanish helped them a lot.
Punta Kinte
Punta Kinte 5 meses atrás
This was great, I loved it. I did two years of latin in high school, I don"t remember much of it but I was able to get some of then words. In the beach story I got arena (sand in Spanish). Like Stephanie said, I think that me knowing Spanish helped more than knowing French.
Phil Ramsden
Phil Ramsden 5 meses atrás
Embarrassed to say I didn't make the link between "harena" and Spanish "arena". But yeah, Spanish was definitely an easier route in than French for me, even though I speak it less well. The phonology has undergone far less change, and I think the vocabulary too is closer.
thegoon33
thegoon33 5 meses atrás
Its amazing to see how much influence the Franks and Gauls had on French.
Håkan Storsäter
@Jama I could be wrong, then, or it could maybe be dialectal... =/
Jama
Jama Dia atrás
@Håkan Storsäter Low German has a uvular R? The people I usually hear in the videos on the internet use a trilled R. Surprising suggestion there.
Håkan Storsäter
Håkan Storsäter 15 dias atrás
@Manfred Neilmann There's been a strong influence from Middle Low German in Danish. Possibly that's part of the explanation...
Kelly Mcbright
Kelly Mcbright 2 meses atrás
@Aetius do you have such map?
Aetius
Aetius 4 meses atrás
@ARGENTVM This is wrong. Primarily because the only element the Gauls left is a few words of vocab. And the language was essentially exstinguished when old French developed. Concerning the Frankish influence, if You consider a Map of the Frankish settlements with a Map of the developpent of old French You will see what happened. But what is true though is that their influence wasn't on what WE imagine now (the -R for instance isn't from them). And i don't know why You talked about Prussia
Bee Ostrowsky
Bee Ostrowsky 4 meses atrás
This is amazing! But may I request-for next time-a multilingual caption track that shows what each person says, whether in English ou en français aut latine? I can make sense of any of those, I just can't always hear the words well!
Ecolinguist
Ecolinguist 4 meses atrás
You can turn on the French captions for that. They contain French and English parts.
SA Alex
SA Alex 5 meses atrás
me encanto muchisimo norbert ...... y de los francofonos entendi bastante a elisa y a toni pero me costo muchisimo entender a stephany se que el frances de quebec es complicado.
Håkan Storsäter
Håkan Storsäter 15 dias atrás
Also the connection was bad, it was hard to make out her words, occasionally. No clear reception, alas.
Teddy Jones
Teddy Jones 4 meses atrás
@w花b Yes, it's the accent. I speak French as a third language, and the French girl and African guy were easy to understand. The Quebec girl was a bit harder.
w花b
w花b 5 meses atrás
The vocabulary is roughly the same as the others but maybe it's the accent or which word they choose to use because in that regard, it's a bit different.
Ion Brad
Ion Brad 5 meses atrás
Third challenge: harena is met only as a regional and/or archaic word in Romanian (arină), meaning sand or beach. It gave name to the city of Reni (former in Moldavia, now in Ukraine) - which was along a Danube beach.
Inti Orozco
Inti Orozco 4 meses atrás
In Spanish the common word for sand is 'arena' so that was obvious.
Aetius
Aetius 4 meses atrás
As a French i found it almost impossible to understand, my explanation would be : 1. We kept many latin archaïsms and modified them our way 2. We were geographically cut off the rest of the latin world (Alps and Pyrenees mountains) 3. We initially spoke a Celtic language that probably left traces and later came various Germanic tribes especially in the North were the old French was born So i guess all of this combined makes French quite far from Latin and the other Romance languages...
Martin Martin
Martin Martin 4 meses atrás
omg! The last dialogue is Amphitruo by Plautus! We staged this play in our uni (etiam latine mihi dicendum est!)! Instantly recognized those lines!! 🤩
Alex Morgan
Alex Morgan 5 meses atrás
I was surprised how easy I found the first one. My Spanish isn't the best but it seems more helpful than French for that particular task.
Sleepyjo
Sleepyjo 5 meses atrás
I mean it makes perfect sense. Modern French originated from essentially hillbilly Germanics who were far away from major Latin urban areas. It certainly is interesting how similar middle French sounds too Latin though. As only recently has French become heavy in the accent.
Aetius
Aetius 4 meses atrás
@joey C W Yes but the French variety that prevailed was the gallo-romance speach of the Paris region which was influenced by Germanic presence. Moreover before the great migration, northern Gauls was already relatively cut off from the rest of the empire for geographic, economic and military reasons so they were probably diverging before the arrival of the Franks.
joey C W
joey C W 5 meses atrás
It is the Gallo Romans who spoken latin centuries before the arrival of the germanic tribes
Guillermo Rivas
Guillermo Rivas 5 meses atrás
As a Spanish speaker I understood Latin far greater than French. French sounds like a genuine foreign language whereas Latin sounds like something not so foreign at all. I also understood the gist of what Luke was saying in Latin. Unum, duo, tres = Latin Uno, dos, tres = Spanish Tam felix sum = Latin Tan feliz soy (soy tan feliz) = Spanish
serfin01
serfin01 Dia atrás
@AcirkA productions Il y a un problème avec le français. Le français écris est artificiel. Les nombres en français realmente sont /ã/ /dœ/ /truá/. La phonologie française fait très difficile la compréhension pour la reste des gens qui parlent d’autres langues romaniques.
serfin01
serfin01 Dia atrás
@sans_h W El problema con el francés es su pronunciación. Su fonología, como el portugués europeo, resulta extraña para el resto de los hablantes de lenguas romances. El francés mantiene, artificialmente, una escritura etimológica que lo hace comprensible, pero a la hora de la verdad, en su forma escrita, resulta casi ininteligible.
AcirkA productions
AcirkA productions 25 dias atrás
Un, deux, trois= français Uno, dos, tres =spanish not that far either... ;)
Your Creepy Uncle
Your Creepy Uncle 3 meses atrás
It sounds more "foreign", but it isn't.
Guillermo Rivas
Guillermo Rivas 5 meses atrás
@sans_h W , El latin es un idioma mas complicado que todas las lenguas romances. No obstante, el latin hablado es entendible para nosotros quienes hablamos el espanol -- hasta se oye muy parecido al nuestro idioma tal y como nos sucede con el italiano. Es verdad que el latin basico es mas entendible. El frances hablado casi ni entendemos nada mientras en escrito si lo entendemos mas.
Airin dd
Airin dd 5 meses atrás
OMG my favorite family the romances vs their origin!!!!! And he is the best for this type of Latin videos!! Thank you!!!!!
José Antônio
José Antônio 5 meses atrás
Faça um comparativo de português com latim .
SATIN アニメ
SATIN アニメ 5 meses atrás
já tem uns videos do tipo nesse mesmo canal so pesquisar que tú acha
Mat F
Mat F 5 meses atrás
Merci beaucoup! C'était vraiment intéressant.... Le latin est tellement difficile mais quand on regarde les sous-titres, on peut comprendre un p'tit peu plus ...
Chuis Daniel Langues
Chuis Daniel Langues 5 meses atrás
Dos de los idiomas que mas me gustan 😍😍
Си Ди
Си Ди 5 meses atrás
Moi qui connais un peu de latin, j'ai eu bien des difficultés à comprendre les dialogues, surtout le dernier, peut-être aussi à cause du rithme accéléré du discours ou la qualité du son de mon téléphone. De toute façon il y a un abîme du latin au français, il est étrange que les participants aient compris qqch. Mais en même temps cela a été très enthousiasment et intéressant. Suadeo pergite quod facitis, omnibus salutem calidam dico, praecipue Lucio.
C.M.B. Wagner Bariton
C.M.B. Wagner Bariton 5 meses atrás
So, how again didn’t you show them the written text? At least after the second listen… It would’ve been so much easier for them to understand, though still not too easy… would’ve been so interesting to see how much of a difference it makes! As a scholar of French linguistics and lit, I can tell you that sound is the most difficult for francophone speakers, not written language.
Xerxes2005
Xerxes2005 5 meses atrás
Indeed! And it could have been a bit easier if Luke spoke in ecclesiastical Latin. Classical Latin is more "authentic", but to a French speakers all these v, c and g are hard to understand. Take "vita" or "coeli". Pronounce them in ecclesiastical Latin and it is suddenly much closer to French : "wita" vs "vita" (French "vie") or "koelus" vs "tchelus" (ciel).
Kekmann gegen den Rest der Welt
i hated latin most through most of my school years. where i live we just translate from latin to our language and thats it. we never actually spoke latin or had the goal of learning it. after 5 years of latin lessons in school (and being very bad at it) i found a teacher who could actually speak latin and showed me how easy it can be and what a great language it is. that teacher was not working at my school, but i took private lessons with in order to not fail the class and not getting a degree. anyways i went from being very bad at latin to being very good at latin in less then 6 month. teachers at my school even thought i was cheating until i explained to them in latin that i wasnt cheating. i used to hate latin with a passion but that changed and i still love it. such a beautiful language and actually pretty easy compared to other languages.
Егор Черенков
I am russian, who is studying french and this is very interesting experience for me, because I can understand pretty clearly first two quests and guess it right Great format, wish it would be more)))
Orléans Lecanut
Orléans Lecanut 5 meses atrás
As a French learning Latin, I understood most of what was said (albeit with some gaps preventing me from understanding the details), except the last one, which I still recognized to be from Amphitryō. Otherwise, I think the beach scene was a little misleading because I don't feel like Lūcius and Īrēnē took any acting courses. :)
Orléans Lecanut
Orléans Lecanut 5 meses atrás
@Ouroboros Oh, ok. Please excuse my clumsy English. :)
Ouroboros
Ouroboros 5 meses atrás
@Orléans Lecanut I thought you said you were Latin.
Orléans Lecanut
Orléans Lecanut 5 meses atrás
@Ouroboros Err no… why?
Ouroboros
Ouroboros 5 meses atrás
You're from Lazio?
Flávio Viana Gomide
Flávio Viana Gomide 5 meses atrás
We see how Latin seems to Romance Languages. It's really interesting.
fabio levati
fabio levati 5 meses atrás
After 5 years learning Latin at school I had no problem in understand .Only thing: I'm used to ecclesiastical rather than classical pronunciation.
Deipatrous
Deipatrous 3 meses atrás
guess what the romans were used to?
Blitz Analysis
Blitz Analysis 5 meses atrás
This is weird. Usually I don't understand Latin too well, but I understood the first challenge immediately (apartment building). In the second, I understood that he was surprised because it was so expensive (I thought it was a market).
Carina Busegeanu
Carina Busegeanu 5 meses atrás
For some time I have been a great admirer of your work. You managed an amazing thing: bring a "dead language" to life with your channel. Our society needs more people like you. I have just one thing to say, that might be wrong, and it is about pronunciation. Please, keep in mind I am of Romanian origin and I learned Latin in school and highchool. Always top grades but forgot most of it. Anyway, Romanian, like Italian, has these two combinations "che/chi" and "ce/ci". We pronunce the first as in the word "chemistry" for example and the second as in the word "Cheddar". If that is so for 2 Latin-derived languages, why would we not use them the same in the root language. The word "aedificium" that you used I would pronounce with "ci" not "chi". What is your opinion? PS. Thanks again for your efforts! Amazing!!!
Kelly Mcbright
Kelly Mcbright 2 meses atrás
@Paleogloss Well, my school teachers used the k-articulation as well. I heard about the other one later and was surprized.
Paleogloss
Paleogloss 2 meses atrás
@Kelly Mcbright Indeed! But when every available description by ancient grammarians and every transcription into other languages and all of the philological evidence from the romance languages are in agreement, it's no wonder this has been a settled question for over a hundred years. Arguing this point today is a bit like trying to argue for geocentrism - maybe that was an open question once upon a time, but that time has long passed. It is true that people who dislike the findings of linguists and philologists tend to accuse them of being ideologues, but the reality is that linguists and philologists have extreme disagreements over fundamental aspects of linguistics, so the notion that the areas where agreement have long been reached are just because of academic orthodoxy really has very little basis.
Kelly Mcbright
Kelly Mcbright 2 meses atrás
@Paleogloss well, ideologists usually blame the other side for being ideologists :) But, i take the 5th century for an argument.
Paleogloss
Paleogloss 2 meses atrás
@Kelly Mcbright There is no evidence for a soft articulation of C until the 5th century or so. It's not really a debate - this is a completely settled matter which some people refuse to accept for ideological reasons.
Kelly Mcbright
Kelly Mcbright 2 meses atrás
@Paleogloss for the soft articulation of c.
Julia
Julia 5 meses atrás
I love how you can only understand this if you speak at least three languages. 👌 Super nicez
SeBasstian
SeBasstian 5 meses atrás
Great video Norbert! I believe there are some issues with the subtitles :) whenever Latin is spoken, it still shows the text in Latin. Other than that, great video!
SeBasstian
SeBasstian 5 meses atrás
@Ecolinguist it keeps happening throughout the whole video :( so it's either Latin audio with English captions activated = Latin text Or Latin audio with English captions activated = no text at all
Ecolinguist
Ecolinguist 5 meses atrás
What do you mean? Which part of the video are you referring to? :) It's quite possible you have your Latin captions enabled and that's why they show. Check your video settings and let me know. :)
JustOliver🍰
JustOliver🍰 5 meses atrás
Ooohhh yay another video relating to Latin and Luke! Nicely done!
zorglub20770
zorglub20770 4 meses atrás
excellent ce jeu et tellement original. Mes cours de latin à l'école paraissent si loin !!! Kudos à Luke qui parle latin !!
Amadeus Gabriel Moyano Manchon
J'ai compris quand Luke a dit "Lutetia". C'était l'ancien nom de Paris.
Alex J
Alex J 3 meses atrás
Il a même prononcé le nom complet de la ville: "Lutetia Parisiorum".
Mithrandir the Grey
Mithrandir the Grey 5 meses atrás
I took French in high school. I understood like 2 words of Latin lol.
Håkan Storsäter
Håkan Storsäter 15 dias atrás
It seemed that several of the guests replied in English, even though they were supposed to talk in French. I can see that being a natural social response, especially if they would have to focus on a third, mostly foreign, language, separately...
André Gonçalves
André Gonçalves 5 meses atrás
Penso que,às vezes,o Francês seja mais complicado que o Latim.
Adalberto Silva
Adalberto Silva 4 meses atrás
@Jean Alex Penso o mesmo. Estudei francês por alguns meses na faculdade e consigo entender muita coisa, mesmo estudando só o básico. Parece que quando a gente estuda um pouco da fonética do francês, quase tudo fica mais claro aos ouvidos e o vocabulário ainda é bastante românico/latino.
Jean Alex
Jean Alex 5 meses atrás
Quanto mais você aprende francês mais você nota que o francês na verdade não é tão diferente das outras línguas latinas. Eu acho uma língua relativamente fácil
BrwnSgrGirl
BrwnSgrGirl 5 meses atrás
Since when did you also speak French? You just become more and more impressive!
Sadtrack
Sadtrack 5 meses atrás
It's hard to understand the canadian french at least for me but I can understand barely Latin because I'm spanish native speaker
omenoid
omenoid 5 meses atrás
Background: A Finn that speaks fluent English, and non-fluent Swedish and German. Elementary French. 1) That was easy, I guessed it right away. 2) I thought it was a street-food booth at a marketplace, pretty close. 3) I thought they were having a picnic in a park but didn't understand it was on a beach. I heard the word "flatus" and I got that it has to be something else, like a blow of wind. ;) 4-5) Simply too difficult.
Arvantsa Raihan
Arvantsa Raihan 5 meses atrás
alternative title: The Gaulish-Franks trying to understand Classical Latin.
Maryo Cecilyo
Maryo Cecilyo 5 meses atrás
Interessante
Рауль Каримов
I don’t speak any Romance language at all but I was able to guess the answer to the first challenge on the spot thanks to all the Romanisms in English. When, shortly before the 2nd challenge started, Luke said “you’ll hear it twice”, it immediately gave me flashbacks to language exams 😂
Manuel Ludantulo
Manuel Ludantulo 5 meses atrás
Middle School flashback
Bogdan G.
Bogdan G. 3 meses atrás
Luke, You have a very nice-sounding voice that could be an announcer on radio or TV
Jp A
Jp A 4 meses atrás
I think it's interesting how English is the modern "latin" language, like it's the language of the imperium haha universal language. I wonder if In 1000 years they'll be doing similar videos with whatever language descendents English will have.
Jp A
Jp A 3 meses atrás
@Your Creepy Uncle i don't think you got what i meant 😅 it's like Latin in the sense that it was become the lingua franca of the world. Like Latin was but more wide spread. You can now find English loan words in almost all languages really. At least the major ones. Latin led to romance languages, I'm curious to what languages English will lead too since it's dominance is honestly equal or more to the dominance that Latin had in that age.
Your Creepy Uncle
Your Creepy Uncle 3 meses atrás
English is not the modern Latin language. It doesn't even remotely look like it, not even with all the Latin loans.
Sean Su
Sean Su 2 meses atrás
Even I got the first question. The second one I only heard the word for mother. The third one I heard the word for catch. For the last two questions, I drew completely blank.
Hoàng Kim Việt
Hoàng Kim Việt 5 meses atrás
French:"I am your nephew." Latin: "How can I get such nephew?"
Your Creepy Uncle
Your Creepy Uncle 5 meses atrás
Daughter, not nephew.
F Bordewijk
F Bordewijk 5 meses atrás
The recording samples were pretty long. This is bit of a step away from guessing words.
Thingaloo
Thingaloo 5 meses atrás
ARENA CALET! That amused me, how strongly I heard and understood it the second time while completely zapping over it the first time
Gio_Toro85
Gio_Toro85 5 meses atrás
Es mas entendible el latin que el francés
Aleks_ Ovski
Aleks_ Ovski 4 meses atrás
Now do a video of Latin speakers trying to understand French lol
Les Frères Roblox
Les Frères Roblox 2 meses atrás
Latin is a dead language
Jean Canestri
Jean Canestri 3 meses atrás
I can understand latin! I think I got every single word of the first one. I am brazilian.
Delph Zouzou
Delph Zouzou 5 meses atrás
As a French, I had the first one and that's it. I get roughly 10%, not more.
Mr. Den
Mr. Den 2 meses atrás
French seems to be much farther from Latin than other languages of the group...
Kh. Safir Mahmud
Kh. Safir Mahmud Mês atrás
Some Romanized Celts have not been speaking their new language well...
Greg Coogan
Greg Coogan 3 meses atrás
It seems like the French speakers got the basic gist of what was said in Latin, but not much details. You can see the Latin in French on paper in written French much more easily than hearing it spoken. French went through a few dramatic shifts in its pronunciation that makes it difficult for one with a Latin or other Romance language speaker to understand spoken French. But reading written French is much easier. The woman from Quebec seem to have an easier time understanding the spoken Latin. I wonder if perhaps that's because Canadian French may still retain some older forms of the French language that the two other French speakers are not familiar with.
Jan Havlis
Jan Havlis 5 meses atrás
well, my latin is pretty bad, but still, it is better than my french :D it was quite an entertaining experience.
Thingaloo
Thingaloo 5 meses atrás
In the first few seconds, I thought I was hear some sort of Provençal or other Galloromance language. But no, it was just mr Ranieri trying his best X)
Vince M
Vince M 5 meses atrás
Fun fact: "cur" means "why" in Latin, but it also means "ass" (rear end) in Romanian 😂🇷🇴
pat olt
pat olt 19 dias atrás
@Vince M What is Scuian?
Mod Maker 🇵🇱
Mod Maker 🇵🇱 5 meses atrás
@Manuel Ludantulo The ONLY official language of San Marino is Italian and Romagol is used by the elderly population. Romangol is estimated to go extinct in 2040.
Manuel Ludantulo
Manuel Ludantulo 5 meses atrás
@Mod Maker 🇵🇱 They speak Romangol in San Marino, not Italian
Adán Peña
Adán Peña 5 meses atrás
@wyqtor In Spanish we have feliz (felix in Latin)= happy, felicitar (verb)= to congratulate, to wish, felicidad (noun) = happiness. We use the plural to wish in general: ¡Felicidades! and Feliz + sustantive (cumpleaños, aniversario, año, navidad, etc...) to wish something specific. I know that what in Spanish (felicitar) or Italian (felicitare) would be an infinitive, in Romanian words ended in -are, -ere, -ire are sustantives, right?
wyqtor
wyqtor 5 meses atrás
@Adán Peña 3rd one is more like fericire (=happiness), we also have the word felicitare (=greeting, congratulations - borrowed more recently from French, that's why the 'l' is still there).
Martelkapo
Martelkapo 5 meses atrás
Mi estas simplulo. Kiam mi vidas novan ĝisdatigon de Norbert, mi alklakas ĝin. Ankaŭ estas bone revidi na Luke kaj Elisa en tiu ĉi kanalo!
Martelkapo
Martelkapo 5 meses atrás
@JuliusZeus jes ja!
JuliusZeus
JuliusZeus 5 meses atrás
is this esperanto?
Chloe K
Chloe K 5 meses atrás
i am english and beginner / intermediate in french and i actually understood a surprising amount of this
William
William 5 meses atrás
I loved the previous iterations so much! But I was disappointed in this one because when Luke is speaking Latin, there's no English translation. That's an essential part of the appeal, when you understand what he's talking about and you see the guests struggling to guess the word. I didn't finish the video. Sigh 😢
ꀍ𝕎𝔼𝔻𝔼ℝ𝕆ꀍ
PLEASE make a comparison with logudorese sardinian and latin
Alan T
Alan T 5 meses atrás
I’m French and I could understand a lot. I also know some spanish
Bilingue Blogs
Bilingue Blogs 5 meses atrás
Este video me encanta!!!!
PtolemyauletesXII
PtolemyauletesXII 2 meses atrás
3. They are at the beach, talking about the beautiful day, the sun shining, the wind blowing. She says it's perfect for sandals. She asks if he will open the umbrella. He asks her to help. A gust of wind blows at the umbrella and she tells him to hold on to it. It blows away. She tells him to run to get it, but he complains that the sand is as hot as fire.
Clément
Clément 4 meses atrás
Plus in the monologue #1, he said "caelo" which means "sky". So definetly they were outdoor.
Pedro Henrique Barros Bueno
Being a Portuguese native speaker I can understand spoken Latin way better than spoken French 😛
tim1724
tim1724 4 meses atrás
That's just mean, throwing Plautus at them. That's already hard enough to read for those of us who have studied 1st century Latin, as Plautus's word choice are rather archaic. (In fact I think his work is usually classified as Old Latin, rather than Classical Latin.)
بێزۆرگتێر بۊرگێر
It’s a bit unfortunate that you have to switch between English and Latin subtitles all the time
Sam Calvert
Sam Calvert 5 meses atrás
Bill Burr speaking Latin in a Boston accent would be something to behold! LAUGH OUT LOUD!
Mod Maker 🇵🇱
Mod Maker 🇵🇱 5 meses atrás
EN 🇬🇧🇺🇸 - Latin versus French PL 🇵🇱 - Łacina kontra francuski FR 🇫🇷 - Latin contre français LA 🌿 - Latina contra francica
Workaholic
Workaholic 5 meses atrás
Contra in Italian is contro
Adán Peña
Adán Peña 5 meses atrás
Versus is also Latin. Means “towards”. Contra is “against” in Latin. We say “contra” in: Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Catalan,…. In French is “contre”
Mod Maker 🇵🇱
Mod Maker 🇵🇱 5 meses atrás
@amjan Bo nikt nie może się zdecydować którą flagę używać na język angielski. USA czy UK. Obydwa są używne.
Mod Maker 🇵🇱
Mod Maker 🇵🇱 5 meses atrás
@Manuel Ludantulo On Latin-language Wikipedia; gallica, francica & francogallica are used interchangeably.
Manuel Ludantulo
Manuel Ludantulo 5 meses atrás
*Gallica
SierraSierraFoxtrot
SierraSierraFoxtrot 4 meses atrás
The Seinfeld bit is great, I remember that monologue! PS: Bill Burr too? I did think it was a comedy monologue when I heard and read the subtitles...
EVPaddy
EVPaddy 4 meses atrás
After some duolingo l‘d actually have responded insula to the first question, I‘m proud:)
Manelik Espinosa Miceli
It's kind of funny that i just could understand the Elisa's french accent hahaha
Diogo Rodrigues
Diogo Rodrigues 5 meses atrás
As a Portuguese, that also happened to me, and I had some French classes years ago in school. I think the French from Elisa is the best to understand if you are outside of the French realm.
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