Film Theory: Which of The Incredibles Is THE MOST Incredible? (Disney Pixar's The Incredibles) 

To be fair, Mr Incredible did not give out when the train hit him, the ground beneath his feet did, so he could be much much stronger than his environment allows him to be.

Violet might also have the best reaction time of the family. At the start of the film, she put up a field remotely in Dash’s path to intercept him. So her force fields aren’t just insanely strong but can appear basically instantaneously.

I love how MatPat determines at the beginning that the movie takes place in 1962 and then, a couple of minutes later, uses modern missiles to determine Elastigirl's strength.

If violet is literally stronger than both of her parents at 14, imagine a fully grown version of her

With Elastigirl its actually the suit that helps her survive. If you watch it again, you could see that she actually remembered what Edna said about the suit within the moment the missiles were about to hit the jet. Also if you look closely, you could see that she ducked her head inside with her kids to protect it. Between the four I believe that Violet is the strongest, I've been holding on to that argument ever since I was a kid watching Incredibles multiple times. But from all five, Jack-Jack is by far the strongest seeing how he was able to go through Violet's shield in Incredibles 2.

there's one thing you missed in the calculation: friction. no matter how strong the father is, it's still the rails that hold him. friction only resists up to a certain amount of force, which depends on the rails' friction coefficient and mr incredible's mass, so unless he weighs like a few tons he is gonna slide no matter what.

So you can only push on something as as hard as you can push on something else if that something happens to be the rail ties your standing on you can only push on the train with the breaking force of the ties which is substantially less than the ground and I imagine is less than the force Mr. Incredible can put out. Also with the train he was pushing at an angle which make it even harder. Though I'm just being a nitpick, I really enjoyed the video.

I was kinda surprised you didn't factor in a couple of things, though I don't know if it would have change the end results: -the "fact" that the only thing hard enough to penetrate the Omnidroid was itself -that Bob wasn't able to punch through the Omnidroid -Helen expected Violet to put a force field around a plane, which should give an idea of how wide she can make them, or how wide Helen thinks she can -Violet is able to shield her family from a plane crashing on top of them - though to be fair her parents were wrapped around her at the time, and since we know Helen and their bodysuits can absorb explosive impact to some extent, maybe Violet's force field wasn't doing all of the work there. Anyway, I appreciated that you stressed that strength was not Violet and Dash's area of specialty, since the move itself does the same. Dash can't (or at least doesn't know how yet) to deliver a superspeed punch with enough force to knock a man out. I'd like to think Violet could one day figure out how to coat parts of her body with force fields while she attacks, effectively giving her a suit of armor and increasing her strike power -- kinda like Armor from the X-Men, though not quite the same.

The strenght of the force field would be a lot stronger if you take into account that bullets apply their force over a very tiny surface area. To create a force field that properly blocks bullets from all direction you should be able to apply that force over the whole surface area of the shield and in very short timeframes (hence a lot more power is needed) , which makes it a lot more impressive.

In your analysis of Violet’s powers, you forgot to account for gravity on the robot - mass and weight are not the same thing. Since the robot is under the effect of gravity, its mass should be multiplied by 9.8 m/s to get the weight. Both Violet and Mr. Incredible are vastly more powerful than your calculations show.

As a train nerd, I love to hear MatPat using accurate terms for railway stock. Awesome! -Jack

Idk why anyone doesn't notice that Bob doesn't really get hurt from blunt attacks and only gets wounded by the Omnidroid's sharp claws. His durability is off the charts too and he has a jar containing bullets that bounced off him during his prime and in his room with all the newspaper and achievements, one of them shows he swam through a typhoon in an ocean and rescued a ship full of people off the ocean.

Couldn’t it also be that Mr Incredible is a little smarter than we think he is? I mean, if he had exerted a hundred times the force he used in the train scene, he would have stopped it instantly, killing everyone. We know that he can control his strength due to him being able to punch people and not turn them into a bloody pulp. Also, look at him saving the guy who tried to commit suicide, if Mr. Incredible had used the force he used in the train scene, he would have murdered him. It seems like Mr. Incredible could just be using the absolute minimum force he needs to in every situation we see him in for fear of completely destroying what he is trying to protect. In the robot scene, he uses as much force as he can since he either saves his kids or fails and all three die. I just like this explanation more than the ‘family love’ explanation

When Ms incredible shields them from the explosion it's actually the suit doing the shielding. It's shown previously that they're resistant to explosions.

A couple small things I wanted to mention. Dash and violet are still developing, so its possible their powers can enhance further. Secondly, in that scene you referenced of violets field blocking the bullets, they didn't just stop. They reflected, which should factor in. Apparently, it doesn't just absorb that kinetic energy, it redirects it.

About Mr. Incredible being stronger when his child’s life is in danger, it _can_ be described as hysterical strength, but I believe what you were referring to was neural inhibition which is more well researched. Humans do not use 100% of their actual strength due to neural inhibition, where the nervous system uses a series of inhibitor neurons that are attached to other neurons in the body so that as a signal is sent to to a muscle to move, it gradually loses some of the signal sent which reduces the action potential (the actual movement of that muscle) of a given muscle. While scientists do not know for certain why this exists, what we do know is it essentially keeps you from using all of your strength at any given task. This is likely an evolutionary trait that keeps your body from operating on a knives edge, where using all of your strength without a reliable source of food renders your body incapable of finding something to eat before starving to death whereas a more efficient approach may make you able to last longer between meals as well as keeping strength in reserve for when it’s needed. Scientists know that your body mediates these inhibitors, meaning they are not roadblocks, they are doors that your brain can open or close when needed. What could make them open? Desperation. The mix of endorphins and adrenaline is likely to cause one of the greatest fight or flight responses of your life, which could cause your body to open the neural pathways and giving you access to your body’s full strength, while afterwards you would be incredibly tired and exhausted, you would likely feel almost twice as strong for time. Also the reason this is not scientifically proven is because it can’t be tested with a control, since reproducing an experiment where the subject believes they are going to die is a board of ethics violation, but it is well documented

Remember, violet had been struck MULTIPLE times so she had withstood at least three times the force her dad struggled with! But omg it’s amazing how you can devote so much time and effort into this.

7:44 I believe her suit is designed to be super durable, and in the demonstration, we can see that it is resistant to a large variety of hazards, including intense heat. Now, typically, blast force would be a hazard, but this is a character who is naturally durable as heck, and naturally immune to blunt force, like Luffy from ONE PIECE. However, assuming here body has a similar chemical structure to a character like Luffy, who is composed entirely of rubber, heat would be extremely dangerous, as rubber and other flexible materials are not immune to melting. On the matter of the exposed parts of her form, in the original scene, she can be seen tucking her head and arms into the shield as she rolls into a ball. This was just a thing I noticed and wanted to bring up, so yeah.

A couple quick notes, if I may: 1) When calculating Mr. Incredible's strength using the train, you didn't account for traction. It doesn't matter how strong he was, his feet were planted on wood and concrete, which broke under the force of the train. You can see the wood flying away as he speeds down the track. It doesn't matter how much force he can personally exert, he could exert ten times your estimate and still run into the same problem. If he can't brace himself, he can't slow the train down enough. Not to mention, he wouldn't WANT to stop it dead in its tracks, since that would kill everyone on board. 2) Your missiles are misdated. You made sure the train and passengers were set in the 1940's, but the missiles you referenced began development in the 1970's. 3) You didn't consider Elastagirl's supersuit. Edna Mode SPECIFICALLY stated it was resistant to missiles. In her demonstration scene, she shot two at the suit, and there was no damage at all. 4) This entire premise is based entirely on one definition of raw strength, and doesn't account for usage. Mr. Incredible may have a physical advantage, but his powers would have a hard time injuring anyone in his family. Elastagirl's stretch would make it easy for her to evade direct contact. Dash is just too fast to hit. Usage wise, Violet could potentially have the deadliest powers. Not only can she stealthily attack just about anyone, but her forcefields are solid and can appear anywhere. We see her use them to disrupt electromagnetic fields, so why can't she use them to slice through matter? However, her age is a disadvantage. She has NO IDEA what the capabilities of her powers are. She is one of the least trained of the family. Unlike her parents, with years of experience, she works on instinct, and doesn't even know that her forcefields could deflect bullets.

When Mr. Incredible is stopping the train, he can't exert any more force than the railroad ties can support at a time, so the incredible feat of strength seen at the end of the movie could simply be his full strength without the limitation in the strength of the railroad ties.

This was an incredible movie that I encourage everyone to rewatch. You really appreciate the nostalgia.

something i always thought about was how strong dash would REALLY BE. on top of having unholy amounts of speed, speed = power so if dash swung his arm at top speeds into someone they'd probably be sliced in half and obliterated. also dash should be unstoppable by like, anyone slower than him.

I would like to point out one thing about your calculation with Mr Incredible and the train: while he may have the strength to push large objects, at the same time the train itself is a fragile object. He is most likely not exerting his max force because if he did, he'd tear through the front (it'd be like that scene in Invincible). He'd have to accommodate for the low (relative to him) tensile strength of the train metal and glass and use selective bouts of his strength to decelerate the train rather than push against it with all his might

He forgot a very important part: Edna’s suits. They are the reason elastigirl was able to take the explosion and they enhance everyone’s abilities

Pixar is just Disney without having all the characters singing every 10 minutes

I'm so happy I found this. Incredibles was always my favorite PIXAR movie (It's between it and WALL-E). Also regarding MatPat's idea of "what the movie was about" the director's cut gave a little insight on that; it's a balance between the fantastic and the mundane within family bonds. Hence why the whole climax battle is the family arguing over the remote. :)

Another thing to note about him stopping that train is that he can only exert as much force as reactions will allow which is one of the reasons why people can't exactly stopp themselves from being pushed as well in water as on land.

If you think about it, people with super speed also have super endurance because of the fact that they can run for so long, and so quick. Not to mention, the fact that they would also have really tough or special skin to not give the person friction burns.

Dash’s powers make so much sense when you think about the logistics of stretching and super strength combining. The most obvious answer is speed. He even resembles both his parents. Violet on the other hand…Helen, have something to tell us???

Keep in mind Violet isn't even at her full potential, she's only 14. You could argue that it goes the same for dash, but as mentioned by Matpat, it would take him quite a bit more pounds of force to catch up

When I re-watched this movie, I took the message as being not that you have to be born special to be super, but that even people who aren't born with special powers (Syndrome) have the potential to be super, but because he became too obsessed with the approval of others, he lost sight of his true goal and was brought down by his own inferiority complex. If he had used his intelligence for the betterment of people and not focused on Mr. Incredible's discouragement, he could have been just as heroic as the rest of them. It's not about whether or not his intelligence counts as a power, but how he chose to use it. Thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.

Elastigirl is able to shield the kids specifically because, as Edna tells her, her new suit is "virtually indestructible". She even demonstrates that fact by firing missiles at it in the lab. Elastigirl shields the kids, yes, but it's the suit that pulls the weight in protecting both them and her.

Mr. Incredible probably could have stopped the train faster if the tracks weren't giving out below his feet. Also, are we forgetting that full on training montage of him getting back into shape, which happened in between the train stopping and the robot lifting. Maybe it's not just stocked up to hysterical strength.

I still stand by the theory that Syndrome actually had powers akin to Forge from Marvel Comics that allowed for him to make those inventions, but since it's not flashy no one picked up on it.

In the movie, Edna says that she made Elastigirl's suit missile proof, so the fact that she was able to defend her kids from the missiles could just be her suit.

Violet is still probably stronger though because she’s barely tapped into her potential power. She doesn’t like using her power so unlike the others in the family she’s probably the least practiced at it. Had she been danger rooming the whole time she likely would more than surpass her father’s raw strength.

Actually if Mr Incredible stopped the train at once, it would most likely get destroyed in the impact killing everyone in it, so he couldn't use his full strength on it.

Helen's Suit was designed to absorb exposions so I feel that the estimate of the force she absorbed is faltered.

Fun fact : Violet is called that because Elastagirls original suit is red and Mr. Incredibles is blue. Also, how did they name Dash that without knowing his powers?!

The force needed to stop the train didn't come from Mr. Incredible himself, but from the friction between his feet and the ground, which is dependent on his weight, not his physical strength. Also, the ground wasn't holding up to the high forces as well because it was breaking below his feet. That's why the trains scene isn't the best scene to measure his raw strength. When he saves his children, however, the force he applies on the omnidroid is parallel to the omnidroid's weight. That's the perfect way to measure raw strength.

i'm pretty sure the only reason elastigirl was able to withstand that explosion was because of the suit because we can hear edna describe how much force the suit can take

Me : Reading comments Also me : Missing the whole video Also me : Watching the video again bc Matpat's videos are the best things on BRvid.

MatPat, your 'Hysterical Strength' explanation for Bob Parr's sudden dramatic increase in strength is logical, but there's something you failed to consider. When Mr. Incredible supports the Omnidroid, we see him support the Force directly, even being located at, or very near, to the centre of gravity, resulting in his ideal situation to support such a force. If you watch the train scene though, there is a very different system at work. You see, the limiting factor of the system when stopping a train is not how much force *Mr. Incredible* can exert on the train, but rather how much force his *feet* can exert on the ground. Because Mr. Incredible exerts this force on the train, we know that he is also exerting this force on the ground beneath him. The only way for him to exert this force upon the ground as he goes is through friction. We clearly see throughout the scene that he is moving, with his feet sliding upon the concrete, telling us that he is experiencing the weaker of frictional forces, "moving" or "sliding" friction (as opposed to the stronger "static" friction). Now, the equation of sliding friction is quite simple: F=N*u. F, where F is the force of friction, N is the Normal force (the force acting perpendicular to the surface), and u (technically a Greek letter 'mu') is the 'coefficient of friction', in this case, the 'coefficient of sliding friction'. Now, coefficients of friction vary dramatically with between each set of surfaces, but we have to make a few more assumptions before we get started. 1. When Mr. Incredible pushes against the Omnidroid, he is using close to his maximum strength, meaning that the maximum force he can exert is 181398476 N. 2. We see Mr. Incredible break crossties as he tries to slow the train. Now, these are pretty hefty pieces of wood, so breaking them neatly in half is normally a feat of strength. However, with the forces we're dealing with, it really isn't that much of a challenge, so we'll just accept that they break, and absorb a relatively substantial amount of the force. To account for this, we'll be generous and say that 30% of the total force is absorbed in the breaking of all of these crossties (though it is likely less). That leaves us with only 126978933.2 N of frictional force to exert. As well, to stop the train, the 30% absorption means that a minimum of 933.1 kN must be exerted to stop the train. 3. We also see Mr. Incredible brace for the impact of the train, setting himself at an angle to more easily transfer the force to the ground beneath him. With a protractor, I measured his chest to be at a roughly 45 degree angle to his feet, and his head at roughly a 60 degree angle. I'll be using the 45 degree angle for my calculations, as it will return a more conservative estimate of the frictional force applied by reducing the normal force (using 45 degrees also makes the math easier for me, because I don't have to do trigonometry). 4. Mr. Incredible is a pretty muscular guy, and relatively tall, so we'll put his weight at about 250lbs, or roughly 1.125 kN. This is fairly insignificant in terms of the forces we're dealing with, so we'll just ignore it. Mr. Incredible's weight will have a very limited effect on the end result, being about 1/1000th of the force of the train, even after taking off our 30%. Right, let's begin. Forces can always be split into their perpendicular components along the x and y axes, so we can say that the force Mr. Incredible transfers along his body can be split into components perpendicular and parallel to the ground. So, in order to stop the train, Mr. Incredible must exert a parallel force of 933.1kN. Since he's at a 45 degree angle, we know that he must also exert a perpendicular force that is also 933.1 kN. This perpendicular force is what we will use for our Normal Force. We know the maximum Force Mr. Incredible can exert is 181398476N (as per assumption 1), but he can only use 126978933.2N of that in Frictional Force, so by using our formula F=N*u, we can calculate the coefficient of friction that would be required for Mr. Incredible to use his full force to stop the train, and compare that to coefficients of other interactions to see how reasonable such a coefficient would be. Crunching the numbers, we get a coefficient of friction of... An astonishing 136.083! Now, to most lay-people, that probably doesn't sound very far fetched. Most lay-people, though, don't have experience with coefficients of friction. Anyone who has seen these equations before, though, can tell you, that coefficient of friction output by our calculations is simply ridiculous. To put that number into perspective, most coefficients of friction are less than 1.The highest coefficient of sliding friction I could find was Aluminum on Aluminum, at 1.4. Static coefficients don't help us here either, with Silver on Silver also coming at 1.4 (Aluminum is a bit of an anomaly, with a higher sliding coefficient than static coefficient). Rubber on concrete (a more comparable example) has a maximum coefficient of 0.8 As such, it's pretty simple to see that Mr. Incredible, try as he might, is *certainly* not going to be limited by his strength while stopping the train, but rather, by the strength of his boots. With any reasonable coefficient of friction, only about 3% of Mr. Incredible's strength could actually be used to slow the train, leaving 97% of his *possible* exerted force completely unused. So although hysterical strength is *an* explanation for why he could suddenly lift almost 200x his previous record, a much more likely explanation is that in his previous record, he was only using up to 3% of his possible output.

Ok but nobody is talking about how quickly Dash's brain has to be able to navigate his body that quickly. Not only did he move at 1/24th of a second, his brain had to tell him to get up, move, avoid hitting anyone, place the tack upright, turn around, run back, and sit. His brain would be as fast as a computer.

Maybe he slowed the train taking the longest amount of time possibel(amount of track) so as to not hurt the passengers with the deceleration. That kind of precision is super impressive and makes me think that he’s capable of so much more when he’s not focusing on measuring his strength.

I love how MattyPatty uses the most obscure things to calculate stuff like using trains and history to calculate Mr. Incred's strength

I know you analysed the force and weight of the Omni-droid, but I wanna know more! Like how it is able to learn and predict things that superheroes might do? What’s the force it applies with its claws on an object or person? And it’s speed when rolling?

What if Dash is tapping into the speedforce, considering he doesn't send a huge gust of wind when running to the front of the room and back, essentially putting the Incredibles in the Justice League universe? Just a loooooong stretch but could make a cool theory.

Solid work as usual Matty, there is one small issue though. In the case of Elastigirl, Edna stated that her suit is virtually indestructible and it was even shown to unaffected by small missiles. When protecting her kids, she wrapped them up in a ball and tucked her exposed head into the ball. The explosion hit the suit and not her body. Therefore it is far more likely to assume it is the suit that can withstand such force, and not her.

MatPat, you should do this Film Theory episode again except the Incredibles its the Madrigals from Encanto. They're all pretty powerful too but maybe it's not plausible since not all their abilities are for combat like Mr Incredible or Elastagirl. However, maybe it'd work if they all fought.

To point out.. Helen's power would be massively weaker than the calculations you gave. In the movie we learn when Helen goes to get her super suit from Edna, that the suit was designed to be "explosion proof"... Which means the explosive power that she resisted on the plane wasn't because she was super elastic, it was because of a synthetic material made by Edna. If she had her old super suit, or no super suit at all, she would have probably died, as would her kids. The suit, ironically, would be considered cheating in this contest of strength, and would make Syndrome look like the role model again since to withstand that explosion, Helen needed a synthetic super suit to make herself strong, just like Syndrome MAKES super tech to make himself strong.

Call me crazy but I think friction plays a much bigger part, is not that he wasn't strong enough, it was more like he could get a good footing to stop the train, but on the later case where he jump in to save the kids, he had a good footing and was able to make full use of his strength.

Here's an idea for why Mr Incredible stopping the train was much harder than stopping the Omnidroid, hysterical strength aside. When he tries to hold back the train, the train track boards snap under his feet. He didn't have proper footing and support. Meanwhile, when the Omnidroid slams down on his family, Mr Incredible he has the Earth's crust against his back.

I personally think Mr. incredible was holding back with the train. He knew there were people on board and such a sudden stop would damage them as it did in the movie. Not only that if he didnuse his full strength it's likely the train would bump into him and while hebstood his ground the train would get wrecked up pretty badly

I would like to make what I believe is a valid point: Mrs. Incredible's suit is the thing that saved her against the explosion, NOT her own powers. When she got her suit, the person giving it to her said that the SUIT reflected everything. The SUIT.

Actually the slowest missile in 1962 (which is the time the story is set in) is the LGM-30 Minuteman which had a top speed of 17,508 mph

I read this in an article somewhere so I'm not sure if it's true, but when the hysterical strength thing occurs, the human body's perception of how dangerous it would be to use that kind of power disappears.Often resulting to muscle related injury after they literally lift a car to save their children or whatever.

Maybe Dash dosent actually run fast, but perhaps he can create time bubbles around him that slow down or speed up the environment around him. So the reason he didn’t create huge blasts of wind when he places the tack on his teachers chair is because he isn’t going fast. It’s just time perception. That is my theory on fast superheroes

Violet definitely is the strongest because in the second movie she literally make as force field to protect her family on a boat that’s about to crash onto the shore and her family doesn’t even have a scratch on them!

For the train one I think you’re missing two big things. First it looks like instead of mr.incredible not being able to stop the train it looks like the concrete under him is the thing that is preventing him from stopping it immediately. Secondly even if the ground wouldn’t break he still wouldn’t stop it immediately, not because he isn’t strong enough but because everybody in the train will die if they come to an immediate stop after staying at such a high speed

Imagine how concerned Mat’s parents were when he was a kid

I would like to point out, the Death Battle referance at the very beginning of the video. Brought the biggest smile to my face, my two favorite channels in one place BUT I was really hoping to see Wiz and Boomstick in this episode

Violet is the most powerful. I think her force field can counter anything with any amount of mass but the impact of it is what makes her pass out like in the droid scene.

I see many reasons why Bob is the strongest, including my comment from 3 years ago stating that the guy went through a training montage. On top of him probably holding back to no break the tracks he was standing on or flatten the train. And also Violet also having Hysterical strength saving her brother.

Have any of you noticed that if you play any of MatPat’s cool intros at 0.25x, it sounds really cool

If I’m honest there were sibling instincts so perhaps that was her full strength with the extra adrenaline, but also he has the experience and has anger against syndrome so yeah, mr incredible, also plot armor was at play

So here's a second theory about Mr. Incredible stopping the train vs catching that robot. I don't think he was struggling to stop the train. If he wanted to, he probably could have stopped it dead in its tracks. I think he was more so struggling with slowing it down bit by bit to not harm the passengers with the momentum of the train when it DID come to a sudden stop. It's actually harder to limit yourself sometimes than it is to just go all out. You have to focus much harder in the precise amount of strength you're exerting. I've had to work with moving large, heavy object and moving them carefully and precisely. It is definitely much easier to give it all your might, than it is to limit yourself to something more precise. All and all, 100% is easier to muster than say, 40.2%.

This movie just proves how much mattpat paid attention to math and science.

Rewatching the movie makes me realise that the situation between Syndrome and Mr Incredible is basically the situation between Midoriya Izuku and All Might (back during their first meeting) but if Izuku was any less of an innocent cinnamon roll and if All Might hadn’t backtracked on his words 😅

Isn't this to say that Violet could be stronger in the future as she grows? Mr. Incredible holds the title for obvious reason, but it seems like the children are meant to surpass their parents when they grow.

Just a thought, when the dad was stopping the train, surely he would be trying to stop it for as long as possible without having it topple off the edge, so that the people inside don't get jolted forward so much (obviously didn't work out for him but oh well), as you want as much time to slow down as possible to cause the least amount of damage. This suggests that he wouldn't be using full force on that occasion, so could well have had the strength to hold up Syndrome's droid thingy at the end of the movie, especially when paired with the adrenaline rush you mentioned in the video. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also gotta mention that Elastagirl held the bus in her arms and legs like me carrying all of my mom’s groceries in one trip…for someone not known for having super strength that speaks wonders to her abilities

When Violet grows up and her force fields mature more/become stronger, she’ll most likely be one of, if not the, most powerful supers in the world

In addition to my other comment, can I mention the vectors in play between Bob's train and bobs Droid? The Droid is pushing him directly down towards the ground. The train is pushing him horizontally. Its not that he was stronger for the Droid (though hysterical strength was an interesting mention), but it likely has to do with his purchase. With the Droid, its literally just him vs Droid. With the train. Its train vs (him + friction) because with the train, he needed to dig his feet in, and you can see him digging trenches with his feet, trying to stop it. Horizontal force would be harder to stop, unless you have a solid base to press against.

Fun Fact: In German, Dash is actually called Flash I always thought it was Flash in English as well, but oh well

When calculating Mr Incredibles strength you kinda miss that the wooden beams on the track are snapping from the force and therefore he loses tranction... Meaning should he had to have stopped the force of the train on something more stable like concrete, he will likely stop it sooner = stronger than calculated.

Also, the missiles that attack Mrs. Incredible appear to be vintage WWII British RP-3 unguided rockets. (rocket projectile 3inch) The RP-3 has an average payload of 12.1 lb of tnt equivalent. However as these are unguided it isn’t likely that they would be fired at an aerial target. Adding to that they were used only in WWII which officially ended in early 1945. The movie takes place mostly in the 60s so this is logistically impossible, so yeah.

I came here to see who would win in a death match, but I got an amazing message that family is forever and that our parents love us more then we could ever know. 😭

Maybe Bob wasn't even using all his strength to stop the train, because if he stopped the train with all his force, the people ON the train would feel ALL the inertia of suddenly stopping. So he tried to stop it gradually to limit the amount of force that the innocent civilians were feeling. But anyways nice conclusion MatPat. Great Theory!

Even though I'm pretty late I recently been hooked on your theories, I like to listen to them while doing chores around the house

I thought that helens resistance to the explosion came from her suit , remember, when showing off the Incredibles suits to Helen, Edna shows off the ability for the suit and the person wearing it to be completely unharmed from missile explosions, not only non directly as seen in the plane explosion, but completely head on.

The reason you are capable of such insane strength is because you always have it. The only reason you don’t use it is because if you did you could snap your bones due to the insane force.

Considering Violet is still a teen, and we would not know what would she do if that happened to her future kids, she might still be the strongest

If that's the case, then shouldn't Helen still be the strongest since she can also receive the parental preservation buff too?

There's a simpler explanation: Stopping the train with his full strength would have decelerated it so quickly, it would have killed the passengers. He was hoping he had enough track left to decelerate the train without killing anyone

I guessed violet at the beginning. I think the fact Mr. Incredible is older, stronger both physically and mentally and has way more experience also benefits him over dash and violet.

You know it's not hard to imagine Matpat to kidnapped the incredibles to see who is the strongest

I think dash running and catching the football that Mr incredible threw in like 2 seconds is a bigger feat

I understand that you can relate with syndrome, but he was OK with innocent killing 2 kids. ( He thought he killed dash, violet, and Hellen with a missile during the plane scene ) He even laughed about it to the kids dad.

I think that supers have powers relating to their personality, so babie's power is essentially the undetermined, and it will set into a more concrete power set as they grow and mature.

MatPat's physics teacher has never been more proud

Matpat should do this again now because there is another movie where we can see all them use their powers in diferant scenarios again in a 2nd movie

Side note on the missiles, we know for a fact they're SAMs, they specifically called that out and showed that the smoke trail went way farther than any AAM goes, not to mention that we saw the sequence of events leading to the launch happen on the island in Syndrome's base. Not sure why you treated it as speculation

While hysterical strength may have something to do with it I believe that the train feat isn't his FULL capabilities since it wasn't coming from above like the robot was and the ground gave way which is honestly better as they would have splatted

They actually had an example of hasterical strength in the warrior cats books. Lion blaze pushed an entire TREE of a cat.

There is also the fact that Edna shows Helen how her suit protects her from explosions, so maybe she didn't take on that explosion outright. Looked up the scene and Edna says, "Virtually indestructible," when the rockets fired at the suit, so we can't really tell how much force the suit absorbs from explosions just from Edna's words.

Please tell me how on earth this man did all these calculations. Like I could never. ✨✨

Ok, but can we have some respect that Dash used his powers at the max to put a THUMB TACK ON THE TEACHERS CHAIR. VERY respectable....

Even if MatPat is being the quote-on-quote "supervillian" you gotta give it to him, all the calculations needed for this video...

I think Elastic girl's plane missile thing should not count since the sheilding could all be done by the super suit, it didnt turn out to be damaged after the explosion. plus, Edna already showed how indestructable the suit is