Chaos Space Marines win 10th Edition's Biggest Tournament - Army List that Won the LGT 

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Looks like Chaos Space Marines have taken the crown at the London Grand Tournament - let's take a look at the list used...
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0:00 Intro
1:41 Chosen in Rhinos
4:48 Warp Talons
5:43 Fire Support
7:59 Objectives and Daemons
10:39 Win Path and Runner Up List
12:44 Outro


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5 Dez 2023



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@spoonsrattling 2 meses atrás
Everytime I see a chaos rhino I just imagine "WE NEED A NEW DRIVER, THIS ONE IS DEAD"
@incensedchaos 2 meses atrás
"Faster if you know what's good for you!"
@91rumpnisse 2 meses atrás
Me, an intellectual: METUL BAWKSES!
@robertrowlett2203 2 meses atrás
Lol what is this from ? I have to see it to
@91rumpnisse 2 meses atrás
@@robertrowlett2203 Dawn of War 1. The "need a new driver" and "faster if you know" are voice lines from the Khorne Berzerkers. The METUL BAWKSES line are a voice line from the Chaos Lord in the Soulstorm campaign.
@rhysevans3484 2 meses atrás
@Its_Astro_Sloth 2 meses atrás
I played in LGT and managed to rack up 447vp out of a possible 500 as Ultramarines! Happy for my first tournament. What a great time! Congrats to all the unbeaten players 👏
@ShadowPhoenixMaximus 2 meses atrás
The sting of removing dozens of HH kits from the roster still hurts
Horus heresy kits…?
@Ben-rq5re 2 meses atrás
@@noneofyourbusiness4133 bit awkward if it's the other thing..
@Spacefrisian 2 meses atrás
Its not that hard to use some kits though, iam using the HH Rhino instead of the 40k version, and the Contemptor dread is a Hellbrute (i did some converting stuff, something GW seems hellbent on getting rid of)
@astarfullofskies8735 2 meses atrás
Chaos defeating Aeldari in the Grand Final for the world fate? See? We were the good guys all along
@DBPi3 2 meses atrás
i'll blood for the Blood God to that one Brother
@entilzha1283 2 meses atrás
Not the faction that the community wanted, but the faction that the community needed...
@davidkimball5222 2 meses atrás
I'd love to know the backstory for a slaaneshi Daemon and a bunch of his warp talons hooking up with a nurgle warband... In a similar vein, what a fun little party that aeldari list is. Love to know which of the characters got that crew together! 😂
@kevoreilly6557 2 meses atrás
Game with Vik was very close and Liam was lucky to get the win … Mani also did incredibly well with CSM
@leemarkl35 2 meses atrás
Is it true that the LGT changed rules after locking the lists?
@kevoreilly6557 2 meses atrás
@@leemarkl35 rapid ingress - yeah. Wouldn’t be an LGT without some controversy though :)
@Lomhow 2 meses atrás
Currently very happy with my army from the end of 9th edition. I had just finished painting all of my Chaos Space Marines at the end of 9th edition. It happens to have a hilarious amount of Chosen, Raptors, and Chaos Lords. Bless the Dark Gods. My list is actually competitive. This feels like a meme.
@DBPi3 2 meses atrás
chaos do be rising
@SethBartonSEF 2 meses atrás
Wow... that's a powerful combination of abilities and free stratagems. Advance and charge on units that can either be tougher or fightier for free. It's the tactical flexibility that makes it powerful. And great to see transports at the core of an army! Be interesting to see if a counter is found naturally in the meta or a bump in points cost is needed. Hopefully the former.
@eugenax9345 2 meses atrás
Everybody would take transports with free 12" lone operative ability :)
@daniel_fyr2515 2 meses atrás
@@eugenax9345its not free, and was not used in his last 3 games against eldari. Most games went turn 1 ealdari found a way to pop a rhino with fuegan or warp spiders, then yncarne teleports and kills what is inside. Honestly an impressive comback in the finals. Csm lost blue scribes, forgefiend, rhino, and 2 chaos lords + 4 chosen (yncarne used precision strat)
@eugenax9345 2 meses atrás
@@daniel_fyr2515 it's not aeldari specific
@dmitrykhvostik5975 2 meses atrás
Abaddon: Damn, these new recruits are pretty strong, how did the hell they managed to beat the crap out of eldar? Alpharius: You see,They all were exiled by Guilliman for not being Primaris... So I told them how exactly their once beloved primarch was ressurected
@ProbablyFat 2 meses atrás
Auspex 100% uses servitors, only way this man could be getting these videos out so quick! Love your work man!
@commanderkei9537 2 meses atrás
Bro is making two powerpoints and a script for each, each day
@11AleZZ 2 meses atrás
Any channel of this size, have several people working behind the screens, isn't just a single guy making all the videos.
@nimrath 2 meses atrás
There was a semi serious joke back when 9th leaks were coming out 4 months in advance 3 years ago, his videos were measured in minutes from the leaks and the joke was that "someone sneezes at GW HQ and 30 seconds later you heard "Hello and welcome to Auspex tactics..." The guy is seriously quick with his vids. i love them.
@LakeyWargames 2 meses atrás
Very cool looking list that, thanks for the run down of the list. As someone on the fringe of coming back to 40k from a long time out it's nice to have things broken down as such. :)
@Spacefrisian 2 meses atrás
Been having great succes with Chaos Marines myself, although my list is completly different from what i see here. Loving my Defiler with mark of Nurgle, also funny to see people lining up their heavy hitters in order to try and take it down, for 10 points more it can do so much more than a Forgefiend, i had it tear up Knights in combat.
@Tinytraveler 2 meses atrás
Good for them, glad to see it! Good work on the players part
@Internetbutthurt 2 meses atrás
Thats impressive because on paper that is not an OP list. I think my CSM list would take care of the winning CSM list handily, and has done so against certain Eldar lists, but I think he must have designed the list to compete strongly against tourney Eldar lists. It was no doubt played with a high degree of skill and some luck! Congrats.
@MrMadZag 2 meses atrás
Liam is a well known Belgian Tournament player and I can assure you that you could not "take care of him handily". I've met him and seen him play, he's just astoundingly good at the game!
@chrisrezende 2 meses atrás
@@MrMadZag he didn't say he would take care of Liam handily. He said his list would take care of the winning list handily. Army list versus army list is one thing, player skill versus player skill is a completely different thing.
@Nazdreg1 2 meses atrás
@@chrisrezende Though, I would argue that Liam wouldn't go to one of the biggest tournament with a list that isn't top tier.
@Cypher10110 2 meses atrás
Happy to see a top placing csm list without Abaddon! He feels like a big tax if you consider him a "must have" unit. Many are still unsurprised to see chosen, oblits, and forgefiends, but I do generally think CSM internal balance is pretty good right now.
@Internetbutthurt 2 meses atrás
Abaddon is awesome but he is expensive and its debatable whether you get the value from him; him and a body guard unit overkill many things which is bad in a real competitive environment.
@dzasays5516 Mês atrás
I've been looking at starting an army myself and I want to run a character that ISN'T abby. The other csm units I have decided to put on my list so it's really stuff like the demons I'm trying to figure out
@bobh9492 2 meses atrás
Lots of great games. Lots of good sportsmanship.
@hansvolkel7780 2 meses atrás
Hold your horses guys, it took GW months to balance Eldar to the point where they don't dominate every tournament anymore. CSM have won one major tournament now and if you've seen the match (on Wargames Live), it was a pretty close one with Eldar still in the top rankings. So, as long as CSM don't win every tournament in the next couple of weeks/months by tabling everytrhing in turn 2, I don't see a massive nerf hammer incoming anytime soon.
@lngtimesurfer 2 meses atrás
I think you forget they still nerfed units from TS, Custodes, Sisters and Mechanicus in the last sheet, lol. Doesn't matter if you win they still move things around even for A or B tier lists
@hansvolkel7780 2 meses atrás
@@lngtimesurfer Certainly, I don't doubt that, but many comments here sound like they will nerf CSM into the ground now based on one big win, which I kinda doubt. Chosen for example should probably go back to their old points, why they made them cheaper I really don't get. Anyway, there is so much variety within our index that even if certain units get massive points hikes, there are still a lot of options.
@mouthwide0pen 2 meses atrás
I dont think CSM as a whole have a dominating winrate compared to other armies.
@onionhat745 2 meses atrás
I love seeing ubiquitous Nurglings. It's so flavorful that any list with even a hint of Nurgle should have them.
@DartmoorAR 2 meses atrás
Having a major world city behind the name of your tournament win is awesome ✌🏻
@mrheisenberg83 2 meses atrás
CSM being one of the better armies is shocking to me. Did someone at GW quit their job or what is happening? Let's just hope he is not only on holiday and will nerf them back to oblivion once he returns.
@BenShapiroBearJew 2 meses atrás
Rhinos now have 12 man capacity so you can take 2 chosen units with a Lord in each unit. Nasty!
@11AleZZ 2 meses atrás
Accursed cultist and dark commune are super super cheap and hard to kill, I think they are gonna be nerfed in the next update
@runeh3022 2 meses atrás
Maybe not. If the army sits at about 54% win rate now after the balance data slate and other army books are coming out, as well as the accursed cultists seems not to be in the top winning CSM armies, I suspect that they decide to hit another unit with the nerf-bat that it will likely just be a minor cost-adjustment. It took very little for CSM to drop fast in 9ed it seems like and I suspect they will be a bit more careful this time. That said, I do find it annoying that the regular Legionnaires are really not worth fielding :-/
@lukeherbst7931 2 meses atrás
​@@runeh3022to be fair thousand sons was also at 54% and they nerfed the shit out of them already
@runeh3022 2 meses atrás
@@lukeherbst7931 it happens unfortunately. But if their goal is to keep all armies in the 45-55% win-rat range and we are likely to see some power-creep across the board as new codexes are starting to come out, I don't think a bit of a buffer for those that won't see new codexes for a while is a bad thing overall.
@11AleZZ 2 meses atrás
@@runeh3022 GW don't need high winning rates to nerf a unit, SM Desolators were nerfed two times and the winning % was less than 55%
@willlondon4964 Mês atrás
​@@runeh3022I just watched the tournament winning tau lists video it seems troops are minimally taken in tournament winning lists. Seems there is no room for anything squishy.
A miracle considering that we don’t have an EMPERORS CHILDREN CODEX to use for that victory.
@tomas379 2 meses atrás
Liam had win the From Hell Tournament with the same list, just before win the GP London, big congratulation for him!! A big back to back from hell!
@RedCometNurse 2 meses atrás
It really sucks that loyalist Marines don't have access to a cheap transport that can carry a full 10-man squad of anything besides Tactical Squads or Devastators. CSM clearly can do some good work with their Rhinos. I am glad CSM are doing well, though.
@latralus46and2 2 meses atrás
Huh? SM and CSM rhinos are both 75 points and both can carry 12-man infantry units. Not limited to tactical squads. Am I missing something?
@GoodGuySatan 2 meses atrás
​@@latralus46and2 You can't put primaris into rhinos. That is what he meant.
@HereticDave40k 2 meses atrás
Don't Space Marines have more datasheets than everyone else... you can put 2 units of devastators in a Rhino, each with a character if you really wanted to
@latralus46and2 2 meses atrás
@@GoodGuySatan the codex not allow primaris to board? Because the index does. Index doesn't allow tacticus, phobos, gravis or termies. But the csm rhino also has limitations.
@latralus46and2 2 meses atrás
SM actually has 4 types of dedicated transports. CSM has one.
@Enballgroda1 2 meses atrás
Wargames Live streamed a couple of games with this list, including the final round. Was a great watch!
@styks6480 Mês atrás
The game is up on Wargames live if you didn't see it! Might be worth pointing people in that direction. His coverage improves all the time
These videos got me wanting to buy more models
@brettmanus7904 2 meses atrás
FUCK YEAH, CHAOS!!! It's about damned time! We have 🌬️🐐🐐 since the 5th edition codex split. Nice to hear some good news.
@kevoreilly6557 2 meses atrás
Eldar took 3 out of top 7 … haven’t seen win percentage, but recently 69% in Germany Still ridiculously good
@InvisibleYogurt 2 meses atrás
@ponli7532 2 meses atrás
4 of top 8 actually.
@TheRealRKD 2 meses atrás
Eldar had a 54% win rate this weekend. Still too strong at the top level but eldar are very beatable at mid levels and below.
@MiyusRibbons 2 meses atrás
@@TheRealRKD but as other factions start winning more, the win rate will start to drop due to the good players chasing the meta.
@kevoreilly6557 2 meses atrás
@@ponli7532you’re right it was 4
@brutalbanana8982 2 meses atrás
Last game I played as CSM, the most insane thing happened. One of my forgefiends fired overwatch, with a dark pact and all his weapons hazardous. He failed all 3 hazardous tests, failed the leadership test for the dark pact and then suffered 3 MW. For a total of 12 damage to himself. So it instantly died, and then I rolled a 6 on deadly demise.
@maxchapuis6256 2 meses atrás
@ocularorb4021 2 meses atrás
I feel insane because it feels like every other week is a "wins biggest tournament" video
@chardensama 2 meses atrás
That's a good thing
@ocularorb4021 2 meses atrás
@@chardensama I definitely agree
@ponli7532 2 meses atrás
Top 8 was 4 Aeldari, 2 Chaos Space Marines , 2 Space Marines
@sebastienblaue5188 2 meses atrás
Hmmm, all he really strong chaos lists I meet tend to have terminators in them, and characters also tend to be termie lords. Here we have none.
@midnightclad888 2 meses atrás
Looks like anti-eldar tech paved their way to victory. Oh well wave goodbye to chaos in the next balance dataslate 👋
@Phoenixfire767 2 meses atrás
anyone else noticing syll'esske's stats are all....69?
@AncientIrishCelt 2 meses atrás
@Involution88 2 meses atrás
Syll'Esske needs OC 9 though.
@ottomatix3397 2 meses atrás
I suppose that's appropriate...villains shouldn't be easily Vanquished 🔥✴♠
@basteala525 2 meses atrás
So this is the Chaos Tax Return. Meanwhile marines are getting nerfed like they're the oppressive meta pick.
@SmurphofChaos 2 meses atrás
Lore reasons
@timmogridge1546 2 meses atrás
Great thing for the game ❤
@AnonYmous-ys2if 2 meses atrás
I wish Chaos the best of luck, I'm sure GW will nerf every aspect of them now, just like they did Space Marines. Sorry bros winning a tournament like this is the kiss of death. It was fun while it lasted!
@gobgoble 2 meses atrás
To be fair their detachment rule could use another look at. At the moment it is pretty much army wide lethal/sustained hits on melee and ranged. In theory CSM should be taking a fair amount of damage in return for Dark Pact. In practice, because battleshock is pretty easy to pass (especially with any type of reroll), this cost is pretty meaningless. I have yet to face a CSM player that doesn't just blanket use the dark pact on every attack, never once have they stopped to consider the "Cost." Compare Dark Pacts with half of the games other detachment rules, and it's pretty clear it's heads and shoulders above most others (close to on par with Aeldari). Poor chaos daemons, Tau, Ad mech, Drukhari barely even get a detachment rule compared to CSM.
@jocelynsiouville8499 2 meses atrás
@@gobgoble you just found out why half of human race choosed chaos :p it's powerfull and not hat harmfull if done right :p I'm ok to nerf it but only if you nerf the busted things of other factions
@Internetbutthurt 2 meses atrás
@@gobgoble Its fine. If you dark pact everything then at least 30% of your army is taking mortal wounds each phase; 3-4d3. In one game i failed most of my DP tests one shooting phase and did at least 8D3 across my army. That made me very very shy in future phases and i didnt want to risk further damage. Very few things get to re-roll; Legionaries do but they are not premium units . I dont see any other faction risking damage off their detachment ability.
@TheNeonMatrix 2 meses atrás
@@Internetbutthurtanything that can take a chaos icon gets the reroll, both chosen and possessed both get it and they are some pretty powerful units atm
@Abolistable Mês atrás
Good on you chaos folks the held to your guns.
@mccahill34 2 meses atrás
I'm gonna have to say it - Chosen are Primaris for CSM. Legionaries are only 20 points less for 5 and no way near as good. Why? Clearly a business decision to get you to buy new models (my Legionaries are from the 80s)
@dannyKurt 2 meses atrás
Damn, was hoping Mani would take it.
@DBPi3 2 meses atrás
YEEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! Chaos rising!!!! woooo! finally! now i can rub this in my Loyalist and Xeno friends'' faces now! Chaos Ascends!
@eskhaphey2873 2 meses atrás
I wonder how many people actually put their chaos icon on their champion?... since you just put it on one model, it doesn't specify what model...
@brettmanus7904 2 meses atrás
I've had icon spikes on every unit champion since they first became a thing in 3rd edition.
@Hoacakes 2 meses atrás
@LordKrosis 2 meses atrás
Seems like a very petty thing to say when all space marines got an faq for their second wound right when their codex dropped in 9th while chaos had to wait 2 years to get theirs. But please go on, I am sure we are all very interested to hear your perspective.
@ScilentDeath 2 meses atrás
First things first very proud somebody nut punched some belendari right in the nutz. Kinda sad it wasn’t a crons list… think afew of the new marine detachments will rocket them up the charts abit, i can see loads of vehicles and the iron hands stuff being kinda mean to deal with, i can see ultra smurfs pretending to be salamanders and also salamanders burninating the crap outta some stuff (finally a reason to run flamestorm aggressors and a gravis captain) and i can see both blood angels and space wolves liking the run fast hit hard one quite nicely, sorta a shame most marine stuff spits out ap-2 and 2dmg which is sorta naff, but the fact they can probably get to the fight now really brightens up the wet noodle hotting power.
@WARGORELORD 2 meses atrás
Love your vids my dude
@keyanklupacs6333 2 meses atrás
Give csm a phobos equivalent already.
@chaosclg 2 meses atrás
Chaos are just awesome atm im not using forgefiends or chosen and still won 4 games in a row lok
@LordBelakor 2 meses atrás
this list is 1880 points, wonder why there is still some space left
@DustyPazner 2 meses atrás
Marine players with every unit ever stuck at 44%. Chad chaos marines who lost 90% of their data sheets and have 50% average winrate taking tournaments.
@stolas_goety3886 2 meses atrás
At least no Eldar
@RSBurgener 2 meses atrás
I have almost this entire list. I rage quit like a proper Iron Warrior when all my Forgeworld stuff got nuked, right after I had just finished painting them. Maybe I need to build something similar and take my anger out on everyone at the FLGS! 😂
@incensedchaos 2 meses atrás
Was looking forward to using a Kratos in my lists. Not anymore. Guess I need to bin my Deredeo, Contemptor, Blood Slaughterer and Kytan Ravager now. Thanks GW. Also the Replusor Exectuioner is STILL op and cheaper than a Land Raider. How?
@SarithenVol 2 meses atrás
@AuramiteEX 2 meses atrás
Time to nerf Chaos Marines
@ponctrillas4214 2 meses atrás
I have to ask, what makes Warhammer players so jaded?
@LordKrosis 2 meses atrás
@@ponctrillas4214 Experience...
@ponctrillas4214 2 meses atrás
@@LordKrosis I mean, I can get it, but I really feel like that for some people it's a choice. They choose to be jaded, and to take every bit of news as some shade of bad news... I've been in the hobby for about three years, and in spite of some hiccups, it has been a great experience.
@LordKrosis 2 meses atrás
@@ponctrillas4214 For some people I would agree that is a fair assumption. As someone who has played Night Lords since 3rd edition I can say sometimes you learn to stop expecting anything but the worst case scenarios.
@ponctrillas4214 2 meses atrás
@@LordKrosis Hey! I'm also a Night Lords player! Not as veteran as you though. I understand where you're coming from, I have to admit that I'm a tard nervous about the Night Lords representation in the CSM codex to come. But I have to hope, in my opinion the 9th edition Codex nailed it. The core rules weren't that good, but the rest was on point!
@mitchchisholm180 2 meses atrás
Death to the false emperor! Let the galaxy burn! Charge my brothers, blood for the blood God!!!
@Itsallover57 2 meses atrás
As a chaos player this brings me no joy. Things like forgefiends being "take it or you're playing wrong" tier are always lame. If its things like that making the faction good, its a snoozer
@grzmit5904 2 meses atrás
csm are actually a really well balanced index internally. Theres a bunch of different ways to play the faction and they're all very good. Sure Forgefiends and Oblits may be the *best* tool to get a top placing, but units like chosen, raptors, warp talons, accursed cultists + dark communes, mass possessed, maulerfiends with slaanesh marks, abaddon with and without terminators, venomcrawlers, these and MORE that im forgetting are all really great units that are powerful and can be used in a list that could perform well. Other armies suffer from internal balance problems FAR more than csm does, so this feels like a non complaint.
@scevvin7788 2 meses atrás
Honestly I’m still amazed how little havocs are taken
@grzmit5904 2 meses atrás
@@scevvin7788 havocs are fairly good and quite a few armies would kill for a unit like them, but csm just has better units for anti tank
@Itsallover57 2 meses atrás
@@grzmit5904 this feels like reaching. You're getting smashed by a dude with 3 chaos lords chosen and forgefiends. Stop talking nonsense.
@KappaKiller108 2 meses atrás
​@@grzmit5904they have their place I think. I've been experimenting with running a unit of Havoc with a Warpsmith and Hellbrute sticking close by. It's been decently killy
@Viewer41 2 meses atrás
11:30, coming 2nd in a Tournament with Eldar is NOT impressive. 😅
@christophersmith6510 2 meses atrás
That’s a mean comment.
@toxicmail1482 2 meses atrás
Wow, Chaos never wins anything. GW hates Chaos players.
@Cabooseforprez2012 2 meses atrás
don't worry, the nerfs will be sudden, brutal, and swift
@toxicmail1482 2 meses atrás
@@Cabooseforprez2012 Same thing with the loyalist marines. Every time they get anything good, it gets taken away pretty quickly. God forbid that people have a challenge when facing space marines. 🙁
@axolotlaristotle Mês atrás
Ave Dominus Nox
@eugenax9345 2 meses atrás
This Mark of Nurgle thing is a joke, atleast make it 18" or make is useable only on infantry and monsters. Space marines require a librarian for ~70 points to have a weaker effect... :)
@jamescain9464 2 meses atrás
Is this why i Cant find forgefiemds anywhere??
@jellydamgood 2 meses atrás
@xerneas_31415 2 meses atrás
@joelwashere5382 2 meses atrás
@ThijsSchrijnemakers 2 meses atrás
@Destinybro35 2 meses atrás
Day 9 asking for GSC tier list
@frankcastle9691 2 meses atrás
Why didn't eldar win?
@olegreg4787 2 meses atrás
Because they lost?
@frankcastle9691 2 meses atrás
@olegreg4787 no shit Sherlock.
@olegreg4787 2 meses atrás
@@frankcastle9691then what’re you asking
@olegreg4787 2 meses atrás
The guy just got outplayed and lost. The CSM player played smarter.
@haraldbredsdorff2699 2 meses atrás
I suspect because most people designed their army, based on being able to beat Eldar.
@davidcox6454 2 meses atrás
Forgefiends are lame and why are chosen so cheap they already made legionnaires worthless so why lol I play chaos but Jesus Christ every list is the same shit
@jocelynsiouville8499 2 meses atrás
one one hand you have legionaries, on the other hand ... possessed, chosen, raptors, warp talons .. why bother ?
@hansvolkel7780 2 meses atrás
I's not like SM are taking Intercessors these days. I get it, legionaires are iconic, but with most restrictions regarding list building gone, there are just better alternatives.
@Internetbutthurt 2 meses atrás
Melee legionaries are great for their price. Being able to reroll wounds is excellent and better than the mobility and flexibility of Chosen in some instances.
@jameswennberg7634 2 meses atrás
@@Internetbutthurt Chainsword legionaries led by Lucius + MoE is a neat party trick. You get a unit with fights first rerolls to hit against anything below starting strength, 2 different rules for getting wound rerolls, and two characters with precision attacks for serious character assassination 🎉
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