Almost Famous: The Cruelty of the Music Business 

Rick Beato
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In this episode I tell the story of Cameron Crowe meeting the small town band I Nine. It's a step by step guide on how record labels used to destroy bands careers.
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TiredSentinel 3 anos atrás
I can’t imagine how much great music is just “shelved” somewhere and how many great bands were ruined because of labels.
Leon Musk
Leon Musk 3 anos atrás
Was thinking the same thing. It’s hard to find great music anymore.
Jonathan Sturm
Jonathan Sturm 3 anos atrás
@Leon Musk It is actually _way_ easier than it was before the ubiquity of the Internet.
Alan D Moore
Alan D Moore 3 anos atrás
I don't know if my band was great, but we were definitely destroyed by our label. I hear this kind of story, with variations, all the time in Nashville.
Nathan P
Nathan P 3 anos atrás
@Leon Musk Bandcamp is good...
Leon Musk
Leon Musk 3 anos atrás
I stumbled across a great band a few years ago. Everything Everything. My favorite band of the last 10 years
Curtis Confuz
Curtis Confuz 11 meses atrás
Rick is certainly a musical black belt, but also a master story-teller.
Kevin Owens
Kevin Owens 9 meses atrás
I stumbled across R. Beato a year ago and have been a fan ever since. I never fail to mention [His detailed break down of music theory as well as the candid conversation] to my friends who live & die for music and everything that goes with it...
Richard Gleichmann
Richard Gleichmann 7 meses atrás
I think he just shares his experiences and (thankfully) his musical knowledge.. Tells it like it is. 👍
Lincoln Parc
Lincoln Parc 6 meses atrás
well said Curtis!
Tracy Avent-Costanza
Tracy Avent-Costanza 3 meses atrás
and he is veritably a star in his own right.
Peter Leary
Peter Leary 2 anos atrás
A familiar story. My son was in a band in 2008, all in their teens and at music school. They were really on to something, great musicians, awesome original songs and an amazing young lady on vocals. The school, as always, invited UK label reps to come and review its talent - my son's band rehearsed like crazy, then gave a flawless presentation to the besuited ones. A week later one label privately approached the singer, offered her £10K NOT to record with the band (or anyone else), but to sit tight while they decided how to launch her solo career. She was eighteen - she took the money. It got ugly, the band fell apart, good friends fell out for keeps. Upshot: none of them got a damn thing, including the singer (aside from the 10K...) The 'moment' had been there, the luck had been there, the time was right... and a coupla dreary guys in suits killed it dead.
Steve S
Steve S 7 meses atrás
To be honest, in your story it sounds like the singer screwed it up for everyone, rather than the "suits". If she hadn't been so greedy, and just sat tight, then maybe the band could have been picked up some other time by a label.
1allstarman 7 meses atrás
@Steve S What 18 year old is not going to get all starry eyed if suits approach them saying " we can make you a star " here is $10,000 to ,hold you over until we do " ?.
Miskatonic 7 meses atrás
When the band fell apart that quickly it was useless. Sorry. Great bands aren't just defined by playing well. Most need to go through a lot of downs do succeed. In your story they stumbled over the first pebble thrown into their way.
Gussy Bear
Gussy Bear 7 meses atrás
Sing it with me now 'if you're famous and you know it sack the band'
West Other
West Other 7 meses atrás
“The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.” ― Hunter S. Thompson
Bryan Draughn
Bryan Draughn 7 meses atrás
A true visionary.
Adam Guterman
Adam Guterman 7 meses atrás
Damn, never heard that one before.
David Brown
David Brown 7 meses atrás
West Other + ..." Buy the ticket take the ride.. Hunter is not dead, his ghost is out there screaming at us to keep your hands on the wheel and watch out for those bats. " Oh, you mean the guy that was always whacked out on drugs? No, I mean the writer who would kick your consciousness with his lucidity. Long live the ghost, long live the Brown Buffalo
Stella Waldvogel
Stella Waldvogel 7 meses atrás
I knew somebody would post that quote. Tangentially related: The Dead were in a meeting with Clive Davis. (Talk about incompatible.) Robert Hunter passed a paper around that said "Siva Devil C." Also tangentially related: When Pariah signed with Geffen in the 80's, Geffen sank all their resources into promoting Guns N' Roses. They let Pariah's "To Mock A Killing Bird" languish.
david owens
david owens 7 meses atrás
Gotta love Hunter. He certainly got straight to the point.......
Trevor Johnson
Trevor Johnson 2 anos atrás
The music industry reminds me of a story that my father always told me about a shoe company in Australia. The owner had a gut feeling that he could greatly expand his market to the Fiji Islands. So, not wanting to lose his number one salesman, he sent his number two guy to Fiji to try and sell his line of shoes. The salesman called the owner in a couple of weeks and said “..send me a ticket home, they don’t wear shoes here in Fiji”. The owner sent him a ticket and he returned. A few months later the owner decided that he was going to give it one last shot but this time he decided to take a bigger risk and sent his number one salesman to Fiji. A couple of weeks later he got a call from his number one, they don’t wear shoes here in Fiji, send my wife and kids, we’ll be here for the next few years, we’re gonna make a fortune!! In my opinion the record industry is full of number two guys
Shawn Elliott
Shawn Elliott 2 anos atrás
Spoiler: The #1 sales guy didn't manage to convince Fijians to wear shoes, he managed to convince the company owner to send the #1 sales guy's entire family on a multi-year vacation while he "tried to build a market presence". Dude probably wore nice shoes on the beach so everyone else there could see them (it's marketing, honest!) -- a small price to pay to live in Fiji for a few years.
Trevor Johnson
Trevor Johnson 2 anos atrás
@Shawn Elliott News Flash: Fijians wear shoes. 😎
Baz za
Baz za 2 anos atrás
@Trevor Johnson They do now
jsamc 7 meses atrás
great story
GasMaster 7 meses atrás
@Baz za Touche :-)
Frank Briggs
Frank Briggs 9 meses atrás
This story hits close to home. Minus the Cameron Crowe Clive Davis names this is exactly what happened to my band after we signed to RCA records in the early 80s.
David Collin
David Collin 7 meses atrás
A friend's band got $100K from RCA to record a demo album. They were good, but instead of doing what was asked, they flew all over the world, trying out producers and different studios and returned with a hodge podge of unmixed songs and had spent all of the money and time. They were dropped almost 2 years after being asked a single task, make a demo. The singer songwriter a decade later is still playing cafes with a 10 person audience. Opportunities lost.
Karl Rock
Karl Rock 2 anos atrás
Thanks for the story. Reminds me of my days back in the music biz.
Zürangki 2 anos atrás
Would love to see some musical contents on your Channel... or maybe a scam bait musical 😅
WeezerBreezer 2 anos atrás
damn, didn't expect you to see here Karl! I remember asking you for a fan meet up in Gurgaon before you reached 100K. Congrats on crossing a Mil!
really thrilled there are people that notice what's good
Dumpy Goodness
Dumpy Goodness 2 anos atrás
Winston Porter EXCEPT that BRvid CONTROLS "RECOMMENDATIONS". I didn't hear about Rick. BRvid TOLD ME TO WATCH HIM. We've all seen GENIUS videos on YT with few views and BORING NOTHING with zillions of views. YT is NOT a meritocracy. (Occasionally it gets close.) THE MUSIC PRESS HAS NEVER BEEN DIRTIER. EX: Guitar World and Rolling Stone used to cover new bands and new artists, but they stopped years ago and NOW only write about Legacy Bands. ALLthey care about are clicks. It's super-vile.
whodathunkit 2 anos atrás
1952TeleDude 8 meses atrás
This happened to me 4 times from the late 60’s to the late 80’s. 4 great bands. Albums were done. Then it just -- went away. 4 times. It’s hurt so badly. You go from being on top to being nothing. I couldn’t get past the secretary at Warner bros suddenly. Suddenly I was nothing. You go from this great high to this Way Low low. I was at a Party where I was hanging out with Eric Clapton. Two days later -- nothing. It was painful cause so many A@R people lied to us so much. I ended up working clubs and teaching guitar for the rest of my life. I’ve had a great life as a working musician and I have no regrets. But I often how different my life would have been lol.
reef K
reef K 7 meses atrás
Wow where I can I find your music?
Bozo DeClown
Bozo DeClown 7 meses atrás
You'd probably be one of those miserable people on "Behind the Music". Happy endings seem rare....
Pete Stanton
Pete Stanton 7 meses atrás
Sounds like a musical version of "Somebody Saved Me" by Pete Townshend. Please check out that record if you haven't.
beatlesrgear 7 meses atrás
😔😢 I hate to hear this happens to people. How many great bands/artists have we been cheated out of since 1954 by these slimy record company assholes who ruined it for the band/artist because of their pride and arrogance?!
William Frost
William Frost 7 meses atrás
She has a special voice, a producer's voice. No matter what you put into the mix, her voice is what you notice. Sometimes you can be too good, and that's the reason you don't make it. Just think of how many well-established, influential performers that she makes sound average.
LTJ Jenkins
LTJ Jenkins 6 meses atrás
Great example of looking a bit further into a story. No greater egos in music than top Lady singers.
Richard Parker
Richard Parker 6 meses atrás
@LTJ Jenkins more or less
Keith Brunson
Keith Brunson 7 meses atrás
It's so strange that the artform I love is controlled by a business that I hate.
Hugh Mungis Chungis
Hugh Mungis Chungis 5 meses atrás
they don't control it anymore
Aric Lee
Aric Lee 4 meses atrás
@Hugh Mungis Chungis yes they is still king
Chris Eastwood
Chris Eastwood 8 meses atrás
The side of this story involving the A&R guy reminded me of an episode from my own past. I was doing session work, mostly as a woodwind player (saxes, flutes) and went to a studio to be part of a jingle production for a high-end client. I waited in the control room while the rhythm section (piano, bass, guitar, drums) started recording. These guys were all top-tier session players and they did the first take letter-perfect. Now, the advertising agency who booked the session had sent a "producer" to oversee the session. This was fairly common practice, mainly so the musicians wouldn't pad their hourly rate by dragging their heels. The producer on this session was a young wanker who was really full of himself but didn't have a clue what happens in a recording studio, or much knowledge of music in general. He gets on the talk-back mic and says "guys, that was really good, really good, but I'm not hearing magic; we need to have magic in this, please give me some magic". The musicians do an eye roll but whatever, they're getting paid. They run it again, perfectly, and the same thing happens - the "producer" is not hearing "magic" and wants there to be "magic" in it. They run it again with the same results. Finally, they've had enough and on the fourth take at 0:30 of the 1 minute piece, the drummer reaches up, pulls down his overhead mic, and says "Abra-fucking-cadabra", then pushes the mic back up and finishes the take. Well..... there's your "magic"! The producer slunk out as we all laughed ourselves silly.
SuperLeica1 7 meses atrás
I heard a similar story from Europe, where the "producer" asked: who did that?
Countess Ratzass
Countess Ratzass 7 meses atrás
I wrote copy for commercials and they did that to us too. Picked it apart word for word, note for note and had no idea how it’s done.
margateswede 6 meses atrás
Fretnes Butke
Fretnes Butke 7 meses atrás
Rick,I don't know if you'll ever read this,but this crap is what kept me out of the "Music Business" and kept me, utterly without regret,a Zoo Night watchman for thirty years. I led a lower-middle class life with a job that fit me like a hand in glove. My animals turned me into a Buddhist,and I pursued Art and Music with no commercial concerns. It is up to the Fates now whether or not my works outlive me. This is not to say I'm not in admiration of your achievements (your guitar collection is awesome),but life is bigger than anything we can conceive of. 🕯️
André Silva
André Silva 3 anos atrás
Let's take a moment to appreciate the real hero here, Ken. The guy bugged Rick for three months until he listened to the band xD
Dan Limbach
Dan Limbach 3 anos atrás
@Andrew Halliday Music C'mon, they had musical chops. How does the cellist work with Chris Cornell if he isn't any good?
Chris Shawn
Chris Shawn 3 anos atrás
Justin Last Yeah okay.
Den-Tin Palevo
Den-Tin Palevo 3 anos atrás
And also understand when Rick will ever get involved in any project ($$$)
Jason Martin
Jason Martin 3 anos atrás
@Andrew Halliday Music You realize that all the men that heard the live CD did not see the young girl and went by her vocal ability only and songs that were recorded. Your demonstrating ignorance when it comes to the production side of hearing talent
Chris Johnson
Chris Johnson 3 anos atrás
EXACTLY!!! The initial bottleneck was Rick Beato.
The American
The American Anos atrás
"Almost Famous" shows exactly the way the music scene was in 1973 when I was 15 going on 16. Yes, I lived it, and it was truly an awesome time to be alive. Thank you Cameron Crowe.
DeadlyDeadlyBeees 7 meses atrás
Rick is a treasure for using his platform to share things like this.
BSNutrition 7 meses atrás
Is that live performance by I9 available anywhere? Sounds like you may have it Rick. Release it and take my money.
gazoontight 7 meses atrás
It happened to a guy I grew up with. His band eventually got to open for some very big names, but he was never allowed to make it to the top. It was too bad - they were a great band.
D A Thorndike
D A Thorndike 8 meses atrás
This is exactly why all those independant labels were popping up in the 80'd and 90's. Bands at that time knew that signing to a major was a death sentence for your band.
Tony Broderick
Tony Broderick 7 meses atrás
The independent labels were just as bad.
ChromaticHarp 6 meses atrás
Nirvana singed with Geffen
Bill Boyer
Bill Boyer 7 meses atrás
I feel for you guys who came THIS close. I really do. In other videos I made mention of my 7 years in radio and how I learned a lot about the music biz. Like, a lot. But the one thing I learned, aside from having your own publishing and label (to keep your masters), you need to have someone in your corner who can lead you into the minefield and isn't afraid to get dirty. And it's not unheard of if a band's manager uses their hands and speaks calmly to make sure a balloon head like that A&R guy left the band alone and exited stage left from the control room. And side-note: Anyone can be a A&R rep - all you have to do is be able to fog a mirror. But seriously. What would that guy do? Go cry to Clive? The label signed the same deal. Are they gonna back out of that nice advance and studio time they gave the band? Nope. Those songwriters? They do that for a living, and that's fine but - no . "Sorry, we have our songs. Songs you like. Songs we like. Now get the fuck out or we're gonna file for bankruptcy and sign elsewhere," is what I would say. All in all it's about protecting what you have before you start letting people poke their fingers in your pie, and having someone in your corner who isn't afraid to tell someone to go pound sand. A band is a family - manager included. And to protect that family it's perfectly fine to swat a fly with a sledgehammer.
Sundayze 2 anos atrás
As a small musician/artist you always dream about being signed etc., but then you realize all the shady stuff and begin to feel thankful that social media gives you an opportunity to be who you are. Thank you for this story Rick and to all my fellow musicians: never give up and I wish you nothing but best!
It is fantastic there's somebody that spots how it is
Digitalbrain 555
Digitalbrain 555 2 anos atrás
Makes you.not want to sign to a label ever.
Elle_T 7 meses atrás
a lot of times it can be a blessing in disguise as it seems it was your case. look how two of my favorite musicians ever ended, Kurt and Layne. all that wonderful talented now gone.
Mike Hertz
Mike Hertz 7 meses atrás
@Elle_T drugs killed them not record labels.
beatlesrgear 7 meses atrás
@Mike Hertz Heroin killed Layne Staley; Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain.
John Phelan
John Phelan 2 anos atrás
I'm sure this sort of thing has happened a million times, but it reminded me immediately of Lone Justice: genre busting band built around the astonishing talent of a young female vocalist captures the imagination of the entire industry, signs a record deal and immediately has everything that made them great sucked out of them by the idiots at the label. Lone Justice was around 1985, this story is about 2005. I wonder what great artists are being destroyed as we speak.
James Machado
James Machado Anos atrás
Love those guys. Not afraid to stick it in.
80s Music
80s Music 7 meses atrás
RealGone Kid by Deacon Blue is about the performance of Maria McKee at a concert Ricky Ross attended.
Lawrence Davis
Lawrence Davis 7 meses atrás
ways to be wicked was a great song. tom petty wrote it.
Kathryn Caine , The Family Band KC
Maria McKee… no one can sing like her
sam powell
sam powell 7 meses atrás
I would be willing to bet that this is one of ricks most popular videos because demographically speaking a high percentage of his viewers are musicians who have experienced similar scenarios
chaseme65 8 meses atrás
In their Rock n Roll HOF acceptance speech Bono thanked Chris Blackwell of Island Records for having the faith in U2 to allow them to get past their sophomore album to make War and so on. He cautioned that without that faith there would have been no U2 as we know them and that says a lot. Thankfully Island Records didn’t let it turn into just an industry of cool…Almost Famous is amongst my very favorite movies ever.
dancruz2311 7 meses atrás
Chri Blackwell was a hell of a record exe...he never liked U2 but He saw great energy in the band. So he kept them on Island Records.
loborob 7 meses atrás
Coincidentally I watched Almost Famous earlier this evening on Prime. Think it was about the 8 or 10th time I've seen it since it first came out. I was 16 in 73 and every damn album in that movie was in my collection. Lived it and loved it.
Joe Anderson
Joe Anderson 7 meses atrás
This is one reason why I love and respect Prince so much. He changed his name to an unpronouncable sign and succeeded in getting out of a major record label with Warner Brothers. I played professionally for decades. I have had a booking agent break up one of my bands because he wanted to keep our female lead singer on his top circuit when we were just starting to think about recording. It's very difficult for an artist to maintain some control over their art when some control freaks with a lot of money have signed a contract with your band. I love to play music live and record.I am a singer and a songwriter. But I would rather just hit it small than hit it big. Unless it was under the right circumstances. I'm sure that if a major label wanted to sign with a band I was in, I would refuse to negotiate without an attorney. And through the process of negotiating, I would probably get kicked out of the band for not kissing ass. This story about i9 breaks my heart. They did all the work to get where they were. And all it took was one idiot to destroy everything they had worked for. It's not that I don't have any respect for authority, or that I am incapable of taking constructive criticism. I will take a job and do as I'm told. But if I create a project with a group of individuals who bust their asses in order to build a following, then I don't want one guy who owns a record company, or a booking agency to destroy everything we have worked for.
Ron Z Photography
Ron Z Photography 2 anos atrás
Before I was a photographer, I was a professional musician playing rhythm guitar (6 12 acoustic & electric) in many bands before I joined a band back in the late '80's, and we became 'almost famous.' Don't even get me started on record labels back them. We toured all over the U.S. & opening for some of the biggest hair bands of the day. We performed in front of thousands of people at each venue. We had one tour bus for the entire band and all our gear, compared to the 'headliners' who had multiple tour buses and huge trucks transporting their gear. By the way, our tour bus was vintage '70's age, but we love it anyway. It was our home away from home. We constantly heard "Don't worry, the record label is picking up the tab!" And the young idiots we were, we believed them. In fact, we were picking up the tab. All of our profits were paying for hotels, food, transportation (our bus) and anything else we needed while on tour. In the end, we made nothing, but the record company still made money off of us. By summer of '93, the pressure finally got to us. We did our final show on July 10, 1993 in Salt Lake City, Utah. But the writing was on the wall. We, like many other hard rock / heavy metal bands, blamed Nirvana. Times were changing and grunge was coming in & our style of music was no longer in style. It was a lot of hard work, lots of pressure to write songs that could play on the radio, and tour to promote these songs, but the kids weren't showing up in the numbers like they used too. Dylan said it best: "Times, they are a changing." It took 15 years and a TV actress friend of mine to get me playing not only guitar again, but in front of people. I am not a "great" guitar player, but I hang out at my local Guitar Center for a couple of hours on a Saturday, playing one of their acoustic guitars. To some of the other guitar players around, I get them excited, one guy had chills listening to me, and they all want to play along with me. I've even had little kids watching me play "Hear Comes the Sun" and singing along with me. How they know the song, beats me, but it still warms my heart. By the way, that band I was in, we played all original music. And to this day, I have not played one of our songs since July 1993. I just don't want to. Maybe one day I will...
Chris Campbell
Chris Campbell 2 anos atrás
Sorry to hear that the bad experience soured you on your band's music. And the silver lining appears to be that least you have a story to tell.
Ron Z Photography
Ron Z Photography 2 anos atrás
@Chris Campbell It's Ok. I'm friends with a guy name Kirk. We jammed and did a few gigs several weeks ago. He also doesn't play any music from the band he was in. What band? He was the lead guitar player for Billy Squier.
Oscar Gomez
Oscar Gomez Anos atrás
Loved reading about your experience in the music industry. Too bad it didn't work out for you, but it seems like you lots if stories to tell.
Jeff Blanks
Jeff Blanks Anos atrás
Hey, you made it farther than most musicians do. Have a thought for those of us who missed the boat completely. That hair band scene was headed for a fall since the rise of Metallica, because *no one respected it*. The industry just wanted to make money with it. The press hated it, and for good reason. Some fans hated it, some for good reasons and some for bad ones. It had a solid audience, but even they probably got tired of the lack of change, and I think after a while it wasn't picking up new fans. It needed to change, and no one was willing to figure out how to change it while still preserving what made it attractive--not so hard a problem, it seems to me, but then again, *no one respected it*. The fact that people hung on so long is actually a testament to how powerful the *idea* of it was. At the same time, the fact that there wasn't a "second division" on the indie-label level probably did it in as much as anything else. It's those labels that keep a scene alive after it loses the Mandate of Music-Biz Heaven, but everyone in the scene had stars in their eyes. (The same thing happened to progressive rock in the '70s, it seems.) For all that, it doesn't seem that having a stylistic turnover didn't really fix the problems with the industry, because, well, *why would it*?
Clyde Kimsey
Clyde Kimsey 11 meses atrás
What was the name of the band?
Trane Francks
Trane Francks 3 anos atrás
I just love how you promote the little people out there who really deserve it. You're one of the people I'm unlikely to ever meet in real life, but I consider you a true mentor.
no name
no name 3 anos atrás
explodingegg123 3 anos atrás
i mean profit is good but its secondary to the music the music is what matters
Dianne Ducharme
Dianne Ducharme 4 meses atrás
Oh Jo! I’m loving the photo montage ❤ So lovely and inspiring in these difficult times. Makes me teary-eyed every week!
Brian Jay
Brian Jay 7 meses atrás
I love Rick's talent before the camera. He comes across so relaxed and personable, that I start to forget that I'm just an unknown fan, listing to a recorded video, and become mesmerized into thinking that Rick is relaying a story to me personally. Few people in this world have such an amazing ability. What a guy!!!
Kjherms 7 meses atrás
Almost famous is still one of my favorite movies. Makes me feel nostalgia for a time period I didn't even live through lol.
Mark Wortman
Mark Wortman 7 meses atrás
I’ve been through this stuff myself, Rick. Don’t know who you can trust, or who you can depend on. Wish we would’ve had you as our production manager. All the best.
LesClaypool OnBass
LesClaypool OnBass 7 meses atrás
Definitely in my top ten movies. The part where he says I need to go home and Kate Hudson says you are home makes me super emotional every time. I just wish for a life like that on the road with my friends
Beard Nye The Drum Guy
I always feel so bad for Ricks housekeeping staff, imagine having to sweep up all these names he’s dropped on the floor after each episode.
cowboy7x 3 anos atrás
Yeah, it would be SO much better if he didn't so he could give us MUCH more boring videos to enjoy. And WHY even put them in there when they're actually a part of the story. Senseless.
Adam Stavrum
Adam Stavrum 3 anos atrás
Haha. Your comment hasn’t been deleted which means he probably has a good sense of humor about it. I do think the band sounded really professional and the vocals were excellent. But I don’t see any reason why they should be famous - I thought it was missing a lot. It didn’t really have organic fire, it was like guitar center music school music. It wasn’t bad, but I couldn’t listen to it all day. Blame record labels if you must.
Jordan Molnar
Jordan Molnar 3 anos atrás
Haha don't be Jelly because Rick knows a bunch of famous people!
Roger Rinkavage
Roger Rinkavage 3 anos atrás
@Adam Stavrum yeah, I just don't hear what made the labels jump to sign them
cray one
cray one 3 anos atrás
@cowboy7x People get but hurt when people drop names... so what. at least it's coming from a good place. only jealous and people who are insecure with themselves only get hurt by this. Grow up and stop hating. It's really ugly on your part. your message says a lot about you as a person.
T Dub
T Dub 2 meses atrás
This story is a perfect example of why it's so important for musicians to go the self-publishing route and create as much exposure for themselves on social media as possible. BRvid, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. You can't trust the industry because it's all corporate run and artistically vacant.
ArlenKali Fuentes
ArlenKali Fuentes 7 meses atrás
This really a sad but enlightening story. Thank you for sharing, sir Rick.
Atash Beats
Atash Beats 2 anos atrás
Rick, you are a legend, a gentleman, and a true mentor.
Dennis Hicks
Dennis Hicks 11 dias atrás
I like the story. One person who remained unnamed who I felt deserves some credit is your assistant who kept pestering you to listen to that tape of I Nine. I mean, they picked the winner and persisted in putting out the good word about the band. So my hat's off to you, nameless assistant of discerning taste and champion of the deserving musical under dog!
Ray Quintal
Ray Quintal 2 anos atrás
It is so sad to see how many bands and artist have been mismanaged and pushed to loss their identities. Wishing them all the best.
Devil's Offspring
Devil's Offspring 7 meses atrás
Reasonably, the label's job isn't to help artists be the best they can be. It's to help the label make as much money as possible so they stay in business. Fair enough I guess, but it sucks for the artists.
Cris Baía
Cris Baía 3 anos atrás
NEVER leave a Rick Beato video, story, before the ending. It ALWAYS pays off.
Tim O
Tim O 3 anos atrás
Nailed it lol
Michael Johnson
Michael Johnson 7 meses atrás
One of the stories pervasive in my head. John Fogerty got sued for sounding like himself and was in artist jail for years. Great to see you in Chicago at Park West, Rick. Thank you for all you do merely enlightening anything and everything music from your perspective. You deserve the audience that has grown to millions I see.
Devil's Offspring
Devil's Offspring 7 meses atrás
If I was John Fogerty, I would have kept on singing and playing my heart out, ignored the phone calls from the lawyers and thrown their threatening letters in the garbage where they belong. You know the world is fucked when an artist gets sued for sounding like... Himself!
IvanGotYokes 7 meses atrás
Great story Rick! It's crazy how artists and bands don't have to do 1/10 of this because of social media. They find someone who generates clicks and prop them up. I also think it's much harder for them to get away with this bullshit because the labels need the artists more than the artists need the labels now.
Peter Kadar Music
Peter Kadar Music 7 meses atrás
I've mostly been a sideman throughout my 30+ year career. I've been a part of some great bands to see them meddled with and their art diluted by label people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about.
Stephanie Rader
Stephanie Rader 7 meses atrás
This actually happened to me and the band I sang for. I wasn’t going to work with strangers and this was years ago, I wanted to work with my band. It was awful for all of us
K_Dog_9 2 anos atrás
What a crazy story...Really cool of Rick to still support the artists of the group
Kayne Santor
Kayne Santor 3 anos atrás
Dude, Rick, I'm loving the couple "story time with uncle rick" things. The brutal one about your boy Johnny D, and now this. It's awesome. I would love a series of these. You've been in the biz for so long, I'm sure you have a million amazing stories. I'll bet you think you haven't done anything super interesting, but I'm sure you have had lunches cooler than most people whole life. Thank you for sharing, I'm definitely checking out I9? Eye9? I'll figure it out.
Gary G.
Gary G. 3 anos atrás
Craig Gregory
Craig Gregory 3 anos atrás
It’s right there in the video, in text, on screen 👍
KXMROCK 3 anos atrás
Yeah Rick, Tell Us a Story with a Fake Beard And Corn Cob Pipe…… You Know The Kind that Starts, "Sonny….."
crnkmnky 3 anos atrás
@Sheila Swegler what kinda bus? give us a link, Sheila!
FlatEarthFighter 8 meses atrás
Another amazing story, I never heard of this group, but when her voice gave me the chills I knew right away how great she was
The Ticking Clocks
The Ticking Clocks 2 meses atrás
Rick is such a good storyteller.
Trollificus 2 anos atrás
Great story, Mark. And really sad. The cuts from the I Nine incarnation were wonderful. Dunno what it is, but I've never heard a rock/pop/folk song where the decision to put a cello into it made it worse. And Ms. Kiegan's voice is amazing. Wish them all luck going forward, and I'll keep an ear out.
Pete McCauley
Pete McCauley 7 meses atrás
Great discussion. I have a similar story. My band got a record deal in 1998, made a great album, then the label dropped us less than a year later, mainly based on miscommunication and bad management. We never recovered...
bscepter 3 anos atrás
Fascinating. As someone who played in bands in the 90s and was signed briefly to a deal only to see it fall apart, I can tell you that this story has been repeated many, many times over the years. Frank Zappa was right; labels (and the records they produced) were better when the old suits were in charge, because they knew they didn't know anything about the "new music" and let the artists alone. So long as they made money, they didn't care. Once the hipsters took over in the 70s, though, they thought they knew better and tried to dabble in it, which ruined many a great band.
Kenneth Latham
Kenneth Latham 3 anos atrás
I saw that tape of Zappa saying that; words of wisdom from a man who is sorely, gravely missed.
gringochucha 3 anos atrás
And it wasn't only music. Monty Python were given a show by people who had no idea what they were doing and so they basically let them do whatever they wanted. That would never have happened nowadays.
bscepter 3 anos atrás
gringochucha I remember reading that too. Kudos to the Beeb for realizing they should just get out of the way.
jim walker
jim walker 3 anos atrás
@Kenneth Latham yes i saw this on you tube about experimental music this spread down to the mainstream thats why so much MOR pop of the 50s/60 was so good and stands up today even with the youngsters of today that sort of experimental idea is unknown nowadays
BSmiet89 3 anos atrás
you can't honestly think this is happening because they think they can make BETTER music. music is free, fame is not. You are in control of your musical destiny, if you chose to be. But you are not in control of your economical destiny via the music you create. It is not coincidence that music is about sex and drugs first and foremost. They control the rolemodels of the youth in order to control the youth. It's not conspiracy theory, because it is a fact that they control promotion, what is being put out and who produces it. And they decide to promote bad role-models, put them on TV, Radio and have the best producers record it, the best mixers mix it and the best mastering engineers master it. And if the artists are not able or willing to write something "comercial" they will hire somebody who will and have the artist sing it anyway. You will not get a big deal promoting world peace, christian values and "fight the system"-values.. no matter wether you are patient or not.. it will not happen. You may get a small deal somewhere. But even then: Nobody is perfect, but if your message is GOOD they will make YOU look bad. Just look at what happened to Michael Jackson for instance (Black or White, They don't care about us)
Nick X
Nick X 8 meses atrás
Wow, that was quite a story! It's unfortunate how much good music probably never saw the light of day because of situations like that or how many artists lost their chance to make a living of off their work. On the positive side, it's nice to hear how things have actually improved in time for once (e.g. artists being able to put out their own work to the masses without BS gate keeping).
SecretHanae 2 anos atrás
This is amazing. I got chills all over me. Hope to hear more of them.
Reuben Kincaid
Reuben Kincaid 2 anos atrás
As a former artist manager (and musician prior), this story was absolute fantasy candy, until the ending which I didn't quite see coming. But for you to be the catalyst of that kind of feeding frenzy for a band, with the kind of heavies you were talking to.... I mean, wow, just WOW.
Kathryn Caine , The Family Band KC
Ong this was awesome!! Great storytelling! Hate it for the band though… it is always better to hold on to your creative autonomy!
Rob Ahlers
Rob Ahlers 7 meses atrás
Thank you so much for sharing this story. I feel like it’s many people’s story during the 90s. I was in a similar situation and the music kept getting worse as the label sent bandleader to co-write with all these famous songwriters. Bitter pill!
Ballet Crisis
Ballet Crisis 3 anos atrás
Years ago I decided to avoid the music industry like a plague. The downside: I’ll never “make it.” The upside: I can do literally whatever I want musically for literally however long it gives me pleasure to do it, or until I’m no longer here. I have yet to regret that decision.
orlock20 3 anos atrás
You can make it like Lil Nas X. The big thing that labels can do that most artists can't do is promote themselves. Those that can create their own hype can do well even though they aren't famous. Being a multi million dollar live act that isn't well known is not that rare.
OU812 3 anos atrás
@orlock20 You need a significant audience to be a multi million dollar act. To get that audience you obviously need to be well known. So what exactly do you mean by your last statement?
Robert Velasquez
Robert Velasquez 3 anos atrás
You've just described me. Tired of playing nightclubs and cover tunes, and dealing with drunk or drugged musicians, I struck out on my own. I play such a strange amalgamation of genres..I am way beyond 'unmarketable'....which is perfectly great for me. I play what I want and only what pleases me. I've never been happier playing music!
orlock20 3 anos atrás
@OU812 200 people at $20 a ticket playing 100 shows a year is $400,000. per year. In 10 years, that's $4 million. add in $100,000 in merchandise per year and the total is $5 million in 10 years.
OU812 3 anos atrás
@orlock20 Yeah but you're not counting expenses. A 200 seat venue rental is probably $1500 per night if not more. Then you have to pay the sound guys, equipment, the rest of your band, etc. The $4K you make from 1 show is gross revenue. More than half is gone just for expenses. If you can pull off that many shows in a year it's still pretty good but you're far from a multi million dollar act. When they say "multi million" they mean over the course of a year. In ten years I made $1.4M at my job. That doesn't make me a millionaire.
Kurt Hollstein
Kurt Hollstein 6 meses atrás
Thank you so much for sharing your music related stories. Your unique perspective has given you a bridge from how the music industry has evolved from the 70’s to today. So what about you? What are your future plans in music? What would you like to accomplish in this new paradigm in music?
Dan Cat
Dan Cat 7 meses atrás
What a brilliant and terrible story. Found you via Justin Hawkins - what an incredible channel
FallNorth 7 meses atrás
There was an interview with the fabulous Haley Reinhart not that long ago and as I remember she was saying she'd had "good" offers but was turning them down as wanted and control and direction which they didn't give her, so releases her own lower key (and I'm sure less well promoted) stuff. This video of course brings that to mind. Sheryl crow had a first album that wasn't even released I think she was pushed into doing stuff she didn't want to do (it's on the internet now as you'd expect).
No Thanks
No Thanks 2 anos atrás
I was fixed and entranced by this story Rick, great and sad and just a unique tale of events. Cheers to you and I9. Crazy stuff
Mountain Man
Mountain Man 7 meses atrás
Back in the early '70s, Dave Loggins ("Pieces of April" and "Please Come to Boston") told me literally the same story about his experience with a Label.
js27 3 anos atrás
Even The Beatles had problems like this, and from the one person we'd least expect it: Brian Epstein. Epstein came to the studio one day with one of his boyfriends. The Beatles were on the other side of the glass recording. Brian pressed the intercom button and started to tell them what they should do with the song. Within twenty seconds John Lennon screamed. 'Shut the fuck up Brian. We do the music. You count the money.' Epstein literally jolted backwards like he'd been hit with an electric shock and he never dared make any more suggestions ever again. You have to be very aggressive to go where you want to go in this world.
Dinosaur 3 anos atrás
I would call it assertion, not aggression, although that's all up to subjective interpretation. There's plenty of times in this world when being passive is actually much more beneficial--at least according to a lot of Eastern philosophy.
Pha ReeL
Pha ReeL 3 anos atrás
You do that and look what happened to Lennon..
Southern Charity
Southern Charity 3 anos atrás
Moral: never trust an Epstein
Kirk Shelton
Kirk Shelton 3 anos atrás
it should be "HEY DUDE" not "Hey Jude"
jason389 2 anos atrás
@Kirk Shelton i saw that movie too. Great flick
UAP New Discovery Images
Totally get this, we had a similar arrangement with EMI in the 80s. Development deal and management and A&R squabbling over involvement…all came to nothing in the end after so much initial excitement. I now realize that talent is only one element…so many things need to align all at once for a band to make it, and even then, the shelf life of all but the very top bands is limited to 3 to 4 albums, if their even that fortunate. Probably easier now if your a good live band to build your own following and promote yourself and keep control with social media platforms and digital downloads but you have to know how to get the exposure I suppose.
Christopher Kennedy
Christopher Kennedy 7 meses atrás
This is just one of the many reasons I love what Rick does! Terrific story about that I was not familiar with! After listening to a few songs can't wait to dive in deeper! Whether it is I Nine or Heavy is the King !
JMJ 8 meses atrás
Rick, you're the best! Please don't ever stop! Your videos and knowledge and expert musicianship keep me going! Thank you, brother!
Steve Dennis
Steve Dennis 2 anos atrás
I just bought “Heavy Weighs the King - A Star in the Sky” and lovin’ it. Everyone should do the same to support these artists. Amazing.
Jordan Dangelo
Jordan Dangelo 2 anos atrás
Yeah those demos were really amazing. The singer has great sustain and tone in her voice and the band sounds great behind her. I agree that they people should support them. I feel like if all those demos were recorded as is, that would of became a well known and remembered record.
Shadie Ossei
Shadie Ossei 2 anos atrás
Thank you for supporting these artists by buying their music 👏👏👏
W.T. Flux
W.T. Flux 7 meses atrás
Late to the party, yep, that's me to a T. lol Just had to thank you Rick for the amazing insight in this storied series of what turns out to be truly unfortunate events. How tragic! So much excitement and sheer joy over the deserved commercial recognition of an AMAZING band's artistry and raw undeniable talent, only to be stranded by the halfwit sabotage of another useless moving piece, another needless corporate wheel spoke, in the redundancy rich record label machine.
KellySKline 3 anos atrás
You’re a great storyteller, Rick!
Diane James
Diane James 7 meses atrás
just think about the groups that never had a hit on the charts but everybody knows them ! we all know who they are and are so glad that we got to grow up with them playing on the soundtracks to our lives !
david Bouras
david Bouras 7 meses atrás
Courtney Hadwin is releasing her first original single this Feb 2023 as an independent artist. She was an AGT finalist in 2018 age 14. Its called 'Breakable' .
The Final Word
The Final Word 2 anos atrás
Fantastic story! Such a fan of ALMOST FAMOUS and EDDIE’s ATTIC, was so pleased to hear it loop back around and connect.
Ghostdog4 7 meses atrás
This story rings so true. I was supposed to be a Rock Star, I even bought all the stuff.
Greg McKenzie
Greg McKenzie 7 meses atrás
In high school I was in a band that recorded one record. I quit soon after that. We need to support our local musicians and live venues in our areas. And we need to build a support system for artists that includes medical care and retirement. In many of the more advanced countries, artists are paid by the state to create. No small task, so we need to get to work. Time is short.
Gary Bradley
Gary Bradley 2 anos atrás
The all-too familiar story. My first psychology PhD proposal in 1998 was to study the effect of label organisational culture on the creativity and well-being of signed artists. A board member at EMI, himself a psychologist said, "That is a fantastic idea but you will never get through the door". I never did. It's heart-breaking what has happened to so many fine artists.
Jordy Maas
Jordy Maas 2 anos atrás
try doing a study on risk management; covid19. world's yr oyster.
R.E. Lopez
R.E. Lopez 7 meses atrás
Are you from Australia or England?
hugehappygrin 7 meses atrás
He was telling you that the label was afraid of being exposed for the evil jerks that they were.
Howard Schultz
Howard Schultz Anos atrás
Rick so love your down to earthness and totally agree with you. I've seen it happen personally to a friends band and literally almost overnight destroyed completely what these guys all worked and strived for. And samething the only hope is to keep moving forward in new projects to hopefully one day find away back to one another again under a new name and a new bag of tricks(tracks) I wish for them and ex members I Nine the best of success and happiness on there own terms with artistic freedom doing what they love and were ment to do in this lifetime!
Felipe Almeida
Felipe Almeida 7 meses atrás
This is unbelievable. The amount of energy put into grabbing something that it's amazing, and just destroy it!!
Stefan Lucke
Stefan Lucke 2 anos atrás
Not the first time I hear a story like that. I think it's not only the record labels, but also mid and lower level producers and studio owners that also "sign" talent and milk them dry for their songs and ideas. What I always wonder is: Why the heck do bands sign contracts that allow artistic control to be surrendered to the label or some A&R guy? Didn't they get some legal advice? Or is this the dictated conditions of any contract, no fine print can be changed? Some part is missing for me.
Pop Sequentialism
Pop Sequentialism 2 anos atrás
I just came across this channel recently and it is quite addictive. Whether listening to overlooked music or recalling moments from a storied career, Rick always gives credit where credit is due and has an infectious enthusiasm that serves as the perfect delivery service for new music and points of view. This video was excellent.
Martin Cade
Martin Cade 8 meses atrás
I hope artists are learning to demand a contract that lets them be their own artists, record their own music, and without giving up copyrights or creative control of their work. I wonder how many bands have been ruined that would have been better off walking away from contracts and just being independent.
Roger Klein
Roger Klein 3 anos atrás
What a scary story....Never in my career as a major label A&R executive would I meddle with a band like that although, I did see it happen all the time..on a side note, my very first position in A&R was working for Clive Davis who I found unable to understand any sort of music except manufactured pop...oh well
Viejotrueno 3 anos atrás
It’s kinda strange that about Clive Davis, the guy signed Aerosmith in 1971, I mean, he sure understands what is pop and what is not... And he created Arista, which wasn’t exactly pop commercial music
Roger Klein
Roger Klein 3 anos atrás
@Viejotrueno He might've taken credit But, trust me he did not sign most of the acts he claims..
Michael Slass
Michael Slass 3 anos atrás
My first career was as a stagehand, and I was once (1994?) on a gig at the Westin hotel in Seattle for the annual meeting of the Bertelsmann Music Group (BMG) - I was a follow-spot operator at the back of the room. After the BMG bigwigs spent some time bloviating, the next couple of days were presentations from the label execs, presenting their new talent (Dave Matthews Band was one of the talent.) Clive Davis was due to present for Arista records in the morning session one day, and I the evening before, I overheard the BMG employees saying things like "don't forget a sweater," and "do you think housekeeping will freak out if I bring the blanket from my room down to the ballroom tomorrow?" I eventually asked one of them why they were expecting cold (it was summer in Seattle) and they told me "Clive likes it cold; his staff arranges with the building engineers to have the A/C on 'full-arctic-blast' whenever he presents." And so it was. Heeding the employees' warnings, I packed my ski gear for the day of Clive's presentation, and I needed it. All the BMG employees showed up in winter clothes, many of them also with the blankets off of their hotel beds, and we all sat/stood shivering while Clive presented for three hours. It was one of the most naked and pointless power displays I've ever seen.
Roger Klein
Roger Klein 3 anos atrás
@Michael Slass Not surprising..he kept his office the same way...working there from 1985-1987 was the most toxic environment I had ever experienced..from there I went to Epic where I stayed for the next 13 years..
Plunderkid 3 anos atrás
I wish I could tell that to Michael Caplan. Or Danny Goldberg.😥😠😡
Sebastien Angel Epic Music Composer
Wow. I was about to watch a movie but instead, I listened to this quite sad story and just hung to it all the way through. I'm amazed by the way you tell things. Thank you for this.
Diane James
Diane James 7 meses atrás
im a music fanatic and ive been to many bars and nightclubs and heard so many groups that i thought were great but so many of them were just out to make a couple bucks and faded away and were happy playing covers , what a shame working in a factory by day and playing great music at night in some bar - what a shame it is knowing how many great musicians are out there and nobody will ever know them ! but most of them werent looking for fame they were just happt to be playing ! youve got to raise your glass to so many of these unsung heros to just be keepingthe music alive !
hombreenojado 2 anos atrás
If there was ever a single, simple reason to self produce and promote on independent labels, this is it! It's also the reason I smile every time I hear about the mainstream label industry dying!
James Slick
James Slick 2 anos atrás
Yes! Thank god that the internet allows for the chance at an audience without the filter of the "mainstream labels". The "label" model of distributing music needs to fade away as quickly as possible. The same goes for the movie "studio model", But it's a bit easier to record a "record" today than to make a movie.
hombreenojado 2 anos atrás
@James Slick There are still so many out there who don't believe they can "make it" but the age of label promoted stadium crowds is all but dead except for the uber produced gelatinous garbage that is reprocessed for a mindless consuming mass. I'd rather that musicians live within their means and gain contentment producing that which gives them joy. Their audience will find them. Up the independent label!
James Slick
James Slick 2 anos atrás
@hombreenojado Yep. I 100x enjoy a local band playing at a bar compared to just about any "big concert" that coms to town. Support you local bands, Buy their self produced or "indie" label CDs, ETC. There IS good music around, Just not on the "big labels" and GOD knows NOT on the radio.
Jennifer Sun
Jennifer Sun 2 anos atrás
@James Slick Movies are way too expensive to make.
James Slick
James Slick 2 anos atrás
@Jennifer Sun Yes, That's why I brought it up. It's much easier (financially) to have an indie band "cut" an album and distribute it than it is for an independent filmmaker to do the same for a movie. I have enough "gear" (mics, mixers, recorders) in this very room for some local "garage band" to "cut" a multitrack AUDIO demo. I could NOT however make a convincing local "ambulance chaser" lawyer ad for even a tiny town law firm even though I have multiple camcorders and DSLRs. Movies require locations, sets, special effects... "Cutting" a "record" requires a studio and audio gear. Even "consumer" audio gear is BETTER than what major bands used in the 1960s. Movies and Video will ALWAYS be more expensive even if it's JUST for locations (travel, ETC) than audio recording.
Henry Goleau
Henry Goleau 7 meses atrás
Right off the top of my head I can think of 2 bands that got screwed over (no doubt there are many, many more)... during the 90's grunge label feeding frenzy that was so well documented in Hype!... The Fluid (from Denver, CO) and TAD.
James McNulty
James McNulty 6 meses atrás
I sang in a band in the 80s. Every major in the UK fought to sign us. We had at least 4 international hits... they said. Well, 1 and a half years and a cartload of industry politics late we got dropped. Everyone was astonished. We were devastated. But hey, that's life and it happens a lot it appears.
one less vulture
one less vulture 3 anos atrás
Hey Rick, I Nine actually toured with my band, HURT (we were signed to Capitol). They opened up for us for a while on tour. I'm not sure what year it was (probably somewhere around 2007-2008 I think), but I remember watching them every night and Carmen was amazing.
Paul Gunn
Paul Gunn Anos atrás
This story is probably a common story in the business I'm sure. I am reminded of a tragic casualty of the record business by the name of Kevin Gilbert. He was even writing an album based on the subject matter when he died and his friends posthumously finished the album and put it out. It is called the Shaming of the True. In particular, the song Suit Fugue. Amazing. The music business really chewed this guy up and spit him out and he was really, really good.
Jeff Wolinski
Jeff Wolinski 7 meses atrás
God, that is such a masterpiece, his solo album Thud is amazing as well. RIP, KG.
philomelodia 8 meses atrás
Another home run for me on this channel. I’m sitting here listening to the soundtrack to Elizabethtown and enjoying the hell out of it with this amazing singer and this amazing band. I wish I could find music by them under their new name but they are not coming up in Amazon. Damn shame.
philomelodia 8 meses atrás
Found them! They have a BRvid channel. Because, of course! And! It’s! Amazing!
Kenneth Trim
Kenneth Trim 7 meses atrás
Interesting story and I believe this has happened to many, many artists. Hopefully this is all behind us.
Scotty G
Scotty G 2 anos atrás
Incredible story; I have seen the wrong agent or management wreck a perfectly good band, even on a local or regional scale. I Nine seemed to be miles ahead, on both talent and work ethic, and it still played out this way.
kelly Johnson
kelly Johnson 10 meses atrás
The music labels have turned art into dollar signs. So music from true competent artists gets ruined. It’s what has turned off a ton of truly amazing artists
JJ one EIGHTY 3 anos atrás
True story this: Back in the early 2000's i was in an indie band from Manchester (UK), we were the support act for Ian Brown. also did some supports for Happy Mondays. Well we got offered a development deal from parlophone records, on one condition, The A&R guy wanted us to sack the singer and replace him with a vocalist of his choice. The problem was, our singer was my Brother. So you can imagine what that conversation was like. Our rehearsal room was the top floor of a huge mill in Ancoats Manchester, And the A&R guy turned up to a rehearsal...Well my brother had him half dangling from the fire escape, with a good 60ft drop down, pretty sure he pissed his pants. We never got the development deal. I do still wonder what the other singer he had in mind was like though :) The End.
Virgil Lewis
Virgil Lewis 3 anos atrás
That story put a smile on my face. Shitty A&R guys getting their just desserts
scatcatcnut 3 anos atrás
Do you think with hindsight you should have done what he asked and made millions etc ?!
JJ one EIGHTY 3 anos atrás
@scatcatcnut Ha maybe. The making millions would have been unlikely though. It was only a development deal we were offered.
Michael Waskovich
Michael Waskovich 3 anos atrás
@JJ one EIGHTY A&R dude should have dangled a bigger carrot than a development deal. Maybe then he would't have been dangling!
Simon Crump
Simon Crump 3 anos atrás
Was your rehearsal room in the Beehive Mill on Jersey Street (aka Sankeys Soap) by any chance? I remember dragging my bass amp up six flights of stairs on several occasions when the lift wasn't working. I think the company that rented the rooms out was called Big Fish.
Paul Kramer
Paul Kramer 7 meses atrás
I remember hearing stories about a Pittsburgh band called "Iron City House Rockers", saying in recording their album "Love's So Tough" on MCA, they more or less lost control over production, because Mick Ronson and Ian Hunter kept telling them how the songs "should" sound. There was a lot of cocaine use too during those sessions, so maybe things were going south regardless.
Dad EO
Dad EO 7 meses atrás
I heard a 4 piece band playing in a basement garage back in 1967. They were magnificent. In less than one hour the crowd swelled from about 20 people to at least 300 from the surrounding neighborhood. The police were called to “Break up the hippies.” A near riot ensued. Finally the music was stopped and the crowd dispersed. 50 years later I was at a get together with my older brother in attendance. We were sitting at the bar listening to the house band squeak through a few tunes when my older brother says “ I was at a basement party back in our old neighborhood, probably around 1966 or 67. When I heard this amazing band.” I mentioned that I was there also and YES! They were great. I hope they made it to the big leagues. Long live RNR!
Colleen Monfross
Colleen Monfross 2 anos atrás
That's a GREAT story and so relevant! Loved hearing it, thanks for sharing.
Michael Bell
Michael Bell 7 meses atrás
Was hoping for some cool insight into the movie, its one of my favorites of all time. This was a cool story though and oh so familiar. Happened with a friend and I who wrote an EP. Indie label wanted to sign us and had us work with a producer who has worked with Blink and a ton of other pop punk bands. His vision for our sound was a very cookie cutter pop punk sound you hear everywhere. It sounded ready for the radio but lost the energy and the rawness from what we had recorded ourselves. Ended up turning it down, producer and label thought we were crazy but ah well. Thats how it goes sometimes.
Lathe Of Heaven
Lathe Of Heaven 3 anos atrás
Beats me that a record label signs a band because they love what it's doing, and then proceeds to turn the band into something else entirely. It's like buying a Gibson Les Paul because you love the look and the sound, and then taking out the humbuckers, sticking in one single coil at the neck while leaving the bridge an empty route, replacing the fingerboard with maple, bypassing the tone controls and spraying the body a different colour. WTF did yo buy a Les Paul for in the first place?
OMGWTFLOL 3 anos atrás
Yeah, it makes no sense. At least the A&R guy got fired, so, some redemption there. What a putz.
LMN 3 anos atrás
Because those record label guys see artists' brilliance and talent merely as "potential", something that needs to be polished, reshaped, adapted to what "people actually want/buy". And of course, they consider themselves as experts in "transforming" artists into... that. If they thought for a second that talent needs to be left alone so that everyone else can appreciate it, they'd be questioning the very nature of their freaking job. And that cannot happen. They are the experts after all.
M 3 anos atrás
@LMN Yep, that's pretty much it. As a writer, I can definitely see how awesome it'd be to have good performers with a particular sound to write for, great relationships have existed this way, some writers get basically all control, other cases the performers get to interpret it to a higher degree, all these approaches are great... If you're all in agreement. Not being a clueless suit always helps too, of course. The arrogance is real considering how great their own writing sounded to me.
Juan Valdez
Juan Valdez 3 anos atrás
Baked maple,.... it’s baked maple
emjfotografi 3 anos atrás
Except they don't love them for what they're doing. They see something they can repackage and make money off of.
6th Wilbury
6th Wilbury 7 meses atrás
Whoa... just finding this video. I'm one of the dozen or so people who liked the movie Elizabethtown, although that enjoyment was mostly based on the music. The I Nine song was definitely a standout track in the film and on the OST album (perhaps because cousin Jesse sings a line in the movie itself). Never knew the back story of the band, nor did I know Rick had a connection to it!
Reuben Kincaid
Reuben Kincaid 2 anos atrás
OMG this I Nine band is incredible. I see why you all recognized something great. The HWTK stuff sounds awesome, too. I worked in record distribution for 20 years, and I met so many dumbass label guys (mostly sales and AR) with terrible taste in, and no sense for, good music. Got their jobs for all the wrong reasons. Not all of 'em, but many.
Jonfun™ | Jonathan
Jonfun™ | Jonathan 2 anos atrás
Amazing story, sir. Yeah, sometimes getting a deal is not what it should be. Especially when the AR guy hijacked the music. Sad but yes I hope they find success. They do sound pretty stellar.
ChanceTurbo 7 meses atrás
Literally took what could have been one of the greatest bands of a generation and completely gutted them. This truly heartbreakingly sad
cephoras 2 anos atrás
My own horror story involves Columbia/Epic records - my first pro band was signed to Epic after turning down offers from Polydor, Electra, and Verve. Big Mistake - they fired our producer, cut our promo budget, and basically buried our album (which turned out pretty well for a first effort). All because we had been signed by Pete Wexler, the pres of Epic. When he had a falling out with Clive Davis, he was fired from Epic and all of his projects got the deep freeze treatment. The band was a prog rock band called Amedeus, the Album "The Show has Started," was released on Epic in 1971, produced by Richard Perry (spared no expense). Ended up in the cut-out bins at Tower Records.
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