Big hello to all our Rusyn brothers from area known as White Croatia from modern Croatia, greetings also to our Ukrainian Polish and Slovak brothers who inhabit the area today
Big hello back from a 3rd Generation American of Lemko, Croatian, and Polish origin. Both my Polish and Lemko ancestors immigrated from modern day southern Poland with my Polish family originating in the lands southeast of Kraków and west of Nowy Sacz and my Lemko family in far southeastern Poland near the Slovakia border. My Croatian family immigrated to the USA from Perušić.
This video points out the complex history of ethnic groups in Central/Eastern Europe. Also greatly examplifies that ethnicities usually have several intertwined roots and have taken on many influences throughout time. Therefore, most of today's national myths that spark so much debate and cause so much trouble are badly simplfified and reveal only small fractions of reality. Great video, Cheers from Hungary!
Thank you for sharing! I needed an easy video history for an introduction. I only recently learned that my ancestors who came from northern Hungary and southern Slovakia were actually Rusyns (my great-great grandmother even listed "Ruthenian" on her immigration info!). I am eager to learn more about my people!
Hello there, that’s very good exciting, I hope you get to learn more! I’m in the same boat, recently found a birth certificate of my great grandfather. It stated that his father was ‘görög nem egyesült’ meaning he was an Orthodox Christian. I did some more digging and I found some families in 1850s Slovakia with his surname ‘Romanek’. Word passed down in the family was that he immigrated from Poland, but perhaps it was the North of Slovakia? I’m trying to dig up more information
Not my site here, I am a Half Rusyn , American born female. My father was born in Kunkowa, Poland in 1921. Visited my relations still living in that area of now SE Poland. Wonderful people and a beautiful country.
The map at 2:48 is inaccurate. The area of Cherven Cities( modern day western Ukraine and eastern Poland) were inhabited by the tribe of Lendians that were a west slavic tribe and thous not Ruthenians.
Hello from Belgium. Once, my mother said to me that My father's parents came from ruthenia. Their family name was Bagara (my grandmother's family name was Prodan ). I remember me when l was a little boy calling my grandfather 'diedoushka' or something like that. Strangely, my second name is Janos, witch seems to be more hungarian. They are all dead now. I am 47 and still don't know what are exactly my origins.
Here in Vojvodina, Serbia, Rusyin is co-offitial language on provintial level, as well as 3 municipalities. Also, I hand around these folks a lot, and I must sey they are amasing people!
You should offer to draw an ethnic map and help solve the current troubles in Ukraine. I think if nothing is done soon, the place will dissolve into a mess worse than Yugoslavia. Also, the very last people to sort this out should be US led NATO and the old soviet KGB boss Putin.
FIY Kievan Rus was not called Kevan Rus it was just Rus and the term Kievan Rus was introduced in the 19th century by a Russian historian just to highlight the dates.
Why not rejoin Slovakia? I thought we took good care of Carpathian Ruthenia whilst it was within our borders. I think that would apply today too, rusins would be better of as Slovaks imo.
Because Rusyns are a minority of the population in Zakarpattia. At the moment Ukrainians dominate most of the regions and make up 80,5% of the total population of the region, when the Rusyns are about 10,000 (according to the Ukrainian Wikipedia). Consequently Ukrainians are unlikely to reunite with Slovakia
Not my site here. My father was born in Kunkowa Poland in 1921, visited the area and met many of my Ruysn/Lemko relations 7 years ago. Just a wonderful fairytale land.Proud to be half Ruysn.
We visited the Ruysn museum near Gorlice. Found many of my relations were working in the axle grease trade in the mid 1850's. The Ruysn's were known to make the best axle grease anywhere. They had wagons of the grease and would travel all through Hungary and other areas selling their fine grease. So interesting to see the culture there.
Does this word sound familiar (phonetic spelling) "eesh"tanem" ? My grandmother's family is from the Carpathian mountains now SW Ukraine, and they spoke a "house language" They used this term for "yikes, not good" They all also spoke, German, Hungarian, Yiddish, and Chec But this was the language they spoke among themselves. came to Pittsburg in 1990
Compare the ethnic and the religion map of Eastern-Slovakia. Greek catholic people have Rusyn ancestry. I think it is also true for Hungary (Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg, Hajdú-Bihar, and Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén county).
@Sicambria I am Greek Catholic. Those you are talking about do not have Hungarian ancestors, but are Hungarianized over time. Hungarians never switched from Orthodoxy to Catholicism.
Always minimizing Hungarian influences, yeah i bet Armenians had bigger influence than being part of Hungary for a century. If you would be real Rusyn you wouldnt call them in Serbia North Serbian Rusyns but Vojvodina Rusyns, their and all Vojvodina and even Serbs (from the region) preffered name. I really love Rusyns where i live, their culture is very close to ours (Hungarian), their villages are my among my favorites and they are a really cultured people.
I'm not sure what exactly you mean but I was just listing off the historic minorities of Transcarparhia. Some that come from my own ancestry included. Also I did a whole video on Hungarian influence on Rusyns, and a video on Pannonian Rusyns. Thanks for commenting!
I'm so confused about my family history and maybe you can help me out. A Lemko told me my family name is Lemko (Solar). My great-grandparents were Greek Catholics, are buried in a Greek Catholic cemetery, spoke Ukranian and identified as Ruthenian at Ellis Island. However, they came from outside of Lemkovyna (Stare Siolo near Oleszyce, Lubaczów County). What the heck is our identity lol.
Religion is often a key marker and Greek Catholic is typical among Rusyns/Lemkos from modern day southeastern Poland. My maternal grandfather was Lemko and raised his family Greek Catholic in the USA.
@LemkoWithHistory (ЛЗI) Thank you so much! I dug a little deeper and looking at Polish records, they don't have deep roots to that village since the previous generation came from Gmina Dydnia. My quick search came up that the area had a lot of Lemko and Boyko people up until Operation Vistula. Very interesting! Thank you again for pointing me in the right direction!
If Stare Siolo is correct you could probably claim either Rusyn or Ukrainian. Many in that village probably drifted more towards Ukrainian but I would not be surprised if emigrants who came to America before they were Ukrainianized identify as Rusyn.
@LemkoWithHistory (ЛЗI) Thank you so much for your response!! It means so much. So if they didn't originate from Lemkovyna they aren't Rusyn? But instead would be Greek Catholic Ukrainians from Poland (Galicia)? I also found out Stare Siolo translates to old village lol so maybe something is going on there.
Not a vlach influence, but a clear vlach(romanian) origin. That is why most of hutsuls and many of lemkos, boikos, moravian vlachs...look different that slavs.
Слава Ісусу Христу! Дуже бы ємь хотіл выхвалити вашу роботу! Тай бы ємь ся іши хотіл опросіти ці будут і відеа і в русинскому языку, дякую! Оставайте здоровы
This is wrong in the perspective of the 'Vlachs'. There is no mention text of Vlachs "migrating" to Maramureș aka Transylvania. The fact is, the Migration Theory is actually created to serve political purposes and has zero Archeological or documents of Vlach migrating, or either toponyms or names of Vlach origin nowhere south of the Danube while there's documents and text of Vlachs living North of Danube by the Xth Century A.D which couldn't have happen if a "migration" would have taken place. But yes, the Vlachs had a huge important role in Transcarphatia more than the Hungarians and here's why. Maramureș was a Kenazate like an autonomous region with its own ruler. The Vlachs had its own noble family ruling this region by the middle or late XIIIth Century. House of Dragoș (Drágffy) was of Vlach origin as the father of Dragoș Gyula was a Vlach. We know that the Vlach noble family ruled Maramureș in somewhere in the beginning of the XIIIth Century but the Vlach population could have lived there earlier. According to the Moldo-Russian Chronicle finished in the XVIth Century but an early work, Dragoș Vodă was one of the Romans, and the King Vladislav of Hungary invited the Romans to fight the Tatars and gave him the estates of Maramureș. We know that Vlachs lived in Transylvania by the Xth Century in the Hungarian Chronicle of Gesta Hungarorum. It mentions Vlachs and Slavs living in the area so "migrating" to Maramureș is quite Nationalistic theory with little proof.
Vlachs coming from Albania is a Hungarian based theory and is not true, read and study more!On the territory of Romanian lived Dacians and Getaes. Dacians lived in Transylvania and Getae in the South of Romanian territory and the north of Balkans they were conquered by the Romans and stood in what is now Romania, once the Roman retreated some of them followed the Romans in the Balkans there is no connection in Romanian and Albanian language except some words because in Albania lived Ilyrians which were Tracians and “cousins” of Dacian-Getae tribes. Do some more research. Even in Gesta Hungarorum mention the people who they met when they arrived in Transylvania.
Great video! But please let me add some aspects. Hungarian "oppression" (called "magyarization") mentioned in the video, that claimed it started in the middle of the 19th century, is making a mountain out of a molehill. 1. there was never planned colonisation except for the operators of administration - counter to e.g. Czechoslovakia and Soviet Union. 2. It only started in 1907 with "Lex Apponyi". Before that, many state-funded schools were where any minorities could use their languages. The law in 1868 ordered that each and every minority can be educated in their own language, even just on that. Hungarian language was not even an obligatory course in elementary schools. First experiments in leading in the teaching the state language started only in 1880s, but without any success. After that came Lex Apponyi in 1907. 3. Lex Apponyi ordered scools only for teaching the state language - Hungarian - to that level that pulpils can speak and write to some extent in Hungarian. - this law, introduced more than a hundred years ago, was still more European and liberal than today's Ukrainian law that gradually BANS the usage of minorities' languages in school between 4.-8. class. All in all, as far as I learned the history of the region, the biggest factors of emigration in 19-20th century were the same as now: poverty and lack of opportunities. And these are the man reasons today as well, because the territory is still a borderland, furthermore, a poorer state's borderland.
@Miron Breznoščák the laws were also published in the ethnic minorities' languages. It was unique in Europe if you compare to France or the United Kingdom of that time. m.blog.hu/ma/mandiner/image/1106/sbierka_krajinskych_zakonov_1868.jpg
No problem, being half Ruysn and born in the USA, I married a man from Hungary in 1978. Believe me, poor guy is paying for any crimes the Hungarians ever did against the Ruysn/Lemkos... Just kidding of course, we moved to Hungary and I feel at home here as it must be in my blood.
@Miron Breznoščák ok, and in the past 100 years Chechoslovakia and Slovakia is doing the same. Hungarians have to Slovakianizate their names. (Woman must use "ova") There are allways issues with the language rights. You still have Benes decrees in power which says collective guilt at the whole Hungarian community after WWII. Which is insane in 2020 in the European Union. What I want to say, that it might be true what you are writing, that Slovakians and Russins had problems with the Hungarian administration in the late XIX. century. (But please do not forget that Hungary was not fully independent it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy few decades after our revolution against the Habsburgs which were beaten down with the help of Russia. ) But what is sure, that Chechoslovakia and Slovakia did much worst in the past 100 years, giving much less rights to the Hungarian communities living at the territories taken from Hungary after the WWI. Even today. Benes decrees still in power (it is a shame) it is forbidden to Hungarians living in their ancestors land to take the Hungarian citizenship (dual citizenship) because if they do they will loose the Slovakian one. etc. etc.
@kolejny111111 Again, the only group of Dolinyans that most people know about is in Transcarpathia, so saying right off the bat my info is wrong is just inaccurate. I'm not sure you know as much as you think if you didn't even know about Dolinyans in Zakarpattia as this is mainstream Rusyn information. There could very well have been a group in Poland, but your original comment is incorrect.
@LemkoWithHistory (ЛЗI) you are very stuborn, i just showed you a source better than wikipedia, yes there was an ethinc group called Dolinians in Poland, there are numerous publications about it, as i said there may be another goup with the same name hence the confusion, but it does not mean my map was inacurate, simple negation is not a proof, anyway i think i cleared it already with the last post
@LemkoWithHistory (ЛЗI) I know the other map I pasted is not innacurate, I know its source: skansen.mblsanok.pl/grupy.html this is a webpage (see below) of the open air musem that documents the architecture and customs of the ethinc groups of the region including dolinyans, the name of the group itself was coined by the ethnographer due to their location in the valley (Dolina=Valley) , I have seen the musem and it is where i have first seen this map , so unless there is another subgroup of Rusyns with the same name south of Boykos (which i have now found on some russian encyclopedia so it seems to be the case )- your map would be wrong, otherwise both are correct just refer to differet groups with same name skansen.mblsanok.pl/grupy.html bigenc.ru/ethnology/text/3456468
To tell you the truth I've never seen a map that innacurate, no disrespect. Wikipedia's fault on that. Here's a good actual map en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyns#/media/File%3ASubethnoses_of_the_Rusyns.svg
@OrkosUA @lemkowithhistory I think the confusion here is that many Lemko songs have been incorporated into the Ukrainian national folk repertoire and are considered народнi піснi. Another example of such a song would be Кедь ми прийшла карта. Both songs are, in fact, Lemko, however, they are widely celebrated in Ukraine as Lemko-Ukrainian. Many contemporary Lemkos - in the diaspora and at home - consider themselves to be a Ukrainian minority. Songs from Lemkivshcyna are beautiful and their celebration should be encouraged, but their roots not forgotten. Here's a great summary of the history of the song: uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D1%96%D0%B9,_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B5
@LemkoWithHistory (ЛЗI) wow, another Ukrainian Song! Dude, you are just picking Ukrainian folk songs which are far spread in Ukraine and pass them as "Rusyn". Lying will not get you anywhere. So it is you I say nice try but
